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#1237938 - 07/27/09 12:47 AM Torn between Roland HP 307 and Kawai CA 91
chihuahua Offline
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Hi folks,

Which is the preferred DP for you between the two above models?

Would like to hear some advice before purchase ... THKS!!!
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#1237939 - 07/27/09 12:48 AM Re: Torn between Roland HP 307 and Kawai CA 91 [Re: chihuahua]
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well, both are good, reputable and DIFFERENT in key feel and sounds

which one looks better and more inspiring to you?
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#1237947 - 07/27/09 01:13 AM Re: Torn between Roland HP 307 and Kawai CA 91 [Re: henrik]
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The touch of the Kawai feels closer to an acoustic, but the piano sound of the Roland is more attractive for me. That's my humble opinion (emphasis).

So, well, yes ... I'm torn between the two.

Both these models are actually offered at a reasonable price here in Singapore, with little price difference ...
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#1237949 - 07/27/09 01:18 AM Re: Torn between Roland HP 307 and Kawai CA 91 [Re: chihuahua]
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wow that's a pretty tough decision

IMHO, the sound is more important. I guess though, u COULD get used to Roland's keys by time
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#1237984 - 07/27/09 05:33 AM Re: Torn between Roland HP 307 and Kawai CA 91 [Re: henrik]
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Really, they're both excellent, so it's really up to you. I also preferred the sound of the Roland and found the touch to also be fine, so I went for the HP-207. The Roland also has more additional sounds and features. But there are lots of Kawai fans here, and the Kawai action is more physically similar to an acoustic in how it's built.

A Yamaha CLP-380 would also be a good choice.

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#1238038 - 07/27/09 09:30 AM Re: Torn between Roland HP 307 and Kawai CA 91 [Re: Geoffk]
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CLP 380 in Singapore is MUCH more expensive compared with the HP 207 or the CA 91. Wonder if it's worth the difference (3k difference!).
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#1238057 - 07/27/09 10:09 AM Re: Torn between Roland HP 307 and Kawai CA 91 [Re: chihuahua]
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Is it an acoustic replacement for night practice? If so, I found the Kawai touch to be a lot more authentic.

Have you tried tweaking around with the sound settings till you get a sound that you like? I hated the default Kawai sounds, but kept changing tweaking all the various settings till I got a sound I liked.

The CLP 370 is quite nice too if it's just the touch.

(I was looking at the Mp8ii, but got a P-155 in the end because of price and space.)
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#1238432 - 07/27/09 07:43 PM Re: Torn between Roland HP 307 and Kawai CA 91 [Re: fj_s]
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Originally Posted By: fj_s
Is it an acoustic replacement for night practice? If so, I found the Kawai touch to be a lot more authentic.


Exactly. I think banging on my grand in the dead of the night isn't a good idea :P

Your suggestion is interesting ... maybe I should try tweaking with the kawai sound as well.

The CLP 370 would be in the same price vicinity as the HP 207 and the CA 31. Problem is, all these brands aren't usually sold side by side, so it's not easy to compare everything.

If there's a store in Singapore which has most of these models together, do give me a PM.
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#1238606 - 07/28/09 01:32 AM Re: Torn between Roland HP 307 and Kawai CA 91 [Re: chihuahua]
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I don't know how the Kawai is built, but the proof is in the playing. To me, the touch does not feel authentic. The Kawai feels very light (almost toy-like), and the dynamic response is uneven. This is in comparison to the Roland, which I think feels very realistic for a digital, and the Yamaha, which comes in second. But don't take anyone's word for it (even mine). As Geoffk says, there are many Kawai fans here. You have to test the pianos yourself - and play a nice Steinway grand along side for comparison.


Edited by eJohn (07/28/09 01:34 AM)

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#1238611 - 07/28/09 01:35 AM Re: Torn between Roland HP 307 and Kawai CA 91 [Re: eJohn]
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I was considering the Kawai CA 91 until I googled the problems on this model i.e. production quality, keyboard problems, note drop-off etc.

Now I'm having 2nd thoughts about it!
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#1238625 - 07/28/09 02:04 AM Re: Torn between Roland HP 307 and Kawai CA 91 [Re: chihuahua]
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The MP8 was the perfect keyboard when it came to touch.

Rather unfortunately, they lightened it for the MP8II. (According to the sales person, it's partly because a lot of digital players, e.g. those that play for churches, bands, etc actually don't want a heavy touch.)

I still prefer the touch of the MP8II to the Roland though. That being said, the Roland sound is better, and that influences how the touch is perceived. If you can find an MP8, do consider trying it out.
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#1316826 - 12/02/09 03:36 PM Re: Torn between Roland HP 307 and Kawai CA 91 [Re: fj_s]
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go for the one you like the sound of better. the roland keys are light but responsive. i have a yamaha cp-300 which is great too.

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#1316834 - 12/02/09 03:47 PM Re: Torn between Roland HP 307 and Kawai CA 91 [Re: fj_s]
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Originally Posted By: fj_s

I still prefer the touch of the MP8II to the Roland though. That being said, the Roland sound is better,


Buy the Kawai MP8II, a MIDI cable and a Roland "Fantom" sound modual. Not cheap but gets you exactly what you asked for.
http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=590&ParentId=20



Edited by ChrisA (12/02/09 04:02 PM)

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#1316848 - 12/02/09 04:16 PM Re: Torn between Roland HP 307 and Kawai CA 91 [Re: ChrisA]
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The Kawai MP8II didn't impress these fingers.

I have no axe to grind as far as brands go, so I can say without hesitation, that the Roland HP-307 is the better instrument overall....better touch, and better sound...strictly my opinion, however.

Sticking a Roland Fantom sound module to an MP8II with a MIDI cable might work very well indeed for some (clever suggestion, ChrisA), but most people prefer the look of an all-in-one instrument, especially if it is to be in the living room, or other main room of the house.

If it's in a studio, it won't matter too much, but you will have to get accustomed to using and setting up MIDI channels and such.

Snazzy
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