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#1319359 - 12/06/09 02:27 AM Casio over Yamaha
pixels Offline
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Registered: 11/23/08
Posts: 50
Loc: Toronto
I think my mind is made up. Went to the store and tried out the Yamaha P-85 and the Casion Px330.
P85 is really more of a "Piano" keyboard then the PX330.
I am not after that as we have an acoustic grand. So I am looking for something "fun". Lots of sounds, rhythms.....
But I don't think the salesman was quite clear. He said that you can only record 1 track on the PX330. The specs say 10 songs, 16 track. This does mean that you can record 10 different songs each with 16 different tracks right?
I also see the PX730 for a real good price. What to do, what to do....

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#1319541 - 12/06/09 12:29 PM Re: Casio over Yamaha [Re: pixels]
KeVan Offline
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Registered: 10/31/09
Posts: 60
Yes, Casio has great products with great prices. However, I found out cheaper isn't always better. I have my mind set on the Yamaha P-155, because I prefer quality and durability. There are too many rumors of Casio breaking down in a few years, so I don't want to risk it. But, if you're strapped for cash, by all means go for the PX730 at Costco. It'll probably be even cheaper once boxing day is here(the day after Christmas to any non-CDA).

And I also think that those extra functions are quite useless in the long run because you only buy a piano for the piano itself, or you would buy a synthesizer (IMO). But wait, that's not all, if you hook your DP to your computer, there are plenty of software to substitute for those rhythms you adore so much. And software are constantly being updated, so there are loads to come in the future.

Well hope that helped. And I hope I did more encouraging than discouraging. :P


Edited by KeVan (12/06/09 12:33 PM)

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#1319555 - 12/06/09 01:01 PM Re: Casio over Yamaha [Re: pixels]
ChrisA Offline
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Registered: 12/28/08
Posts: 3841
Loc: Redondo Beach, California
Originally Posted By: pixels
I think my mind is made up. Went to the store and tried out the Yamaha P-85 and the Casion Px330.
P85 is really more of a "Piano" keyboard then the PX330.
I am not after that as we have an acoustic grand. So I am looking for something "fun". Lots of sounds, rhythms.....
But I don't think the salesman was quite clear. He said that you can only record 1 track on the PX330. The specs say 10 songs, 16 track. This does mean that you can record 10 different songs each with 16 different tracks right?
I also see the PX730 for a real good price. What to do, what to do....



Recording 16 tracks on a DP is not so easy. A much better plan is to use software such as "Logic" and record to a computer. Then you can edit and the user interface is much better.. I'd think 2 or 3 tracks is the most you could use on a DP.

The P85 has Yamaha's "GHS" key action. It is not their best but many people like it. If you like the P85's keys and want more features look at the Yamaha YPG635. But the p85 might have better piano sounds. but on the other hand an instrument like the 635 would not be used for classical solo piano works and the piano sound would be in a mix.

One other thing, Once you get into auto accompaniment there is more then just sound to listen to. It is the musical taste of the person who programmed the accompaniment. These programmers are musicians, not engineers and you just might like the musicians at Roland or Korg over those at Casio or Yamaha or maybe not. This is a mater of style with no clear answer.


Edited by ChrisA (12/06/09 01:03 PM)

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#1319585 - 12/06/09 02:00 PM Re: Casio over Yamaha [Re: ChrisA]
galaxy4t Offline
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Registered: 08/28/08
Posts: 846
Loc: Lakewood, CA
Pixels,
The PX-330 does have a 16 track sequencer built in. However, trying to use it on the small digital display might prove frustrating. I have a PX-575 that has a 6 track sequencer and the digital display is a lot bigger, but I don't think it would be real user friendly to use. It is also limited by the piano's 4mb memory. There is an application called data manager that works with my 575. I've never used it, but it seems to be able to be used on a computer to set up and save editible sounds like the digital drawbars (for organ sounds), and synthesizer sounds to registration memory. The 330 also has some of this capability. However for recording your own music, a DAW like Sonar, Pro Tools, Audacity, etc. would have a better user interface and you have the added advantage of using VST plug ins and midi editing if you use your piano as a misi controller. Chris A is right on here.


Edited by galaxy4t (12/06/09 02:02 PM)

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#1319588 - 12/06/09 02:06 PM Re: Casio over Yamaha [Re: KeVan]
snazzyplayer Offline
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Registered: 07/26/09
Posts: 983
Loc: Earth
Originally Posted By: KeVan
Yes, Casio has great products with great prices. However, I found out cheaper isn't always better. I have my mind set on the Yamaha P-155, because I prefer quality and durability. There are too many rumors of Casio breaking down in a few years, so I don't want to risk it. . :P


I agree.

To add something else to the pot, the Casio will not bring a better second hand price (compared to a Yamaha)if you choose to sell later on, and, if you decide to upgrade, it won't be worth a whole lot on a trade in, unless it's against another Casio.

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#1320150 - 12/07/09 09:29 AM Re: Casio over Yamaha [Re: snazzyplayer]
pixels Offline
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Registered: 11/23/08
Posts: 50
Loc: Toronto
Thanks for your replies.
As mentioned, I have an acoustic grand so I am not just looking to buy a keyboard for the piano "realism". As long as there are 88 weighted keys and the decent (not even good) piano sound so that the kids and I could practice in silence, I am happy. I don't really care about the resale. I had the Roland HP1700 for 20 years.
I want something with lots of tones because I want to dabble in multi track recording for personal enjoyment. Looks like my best bet is to get into the computer instead of relying on piano tracks. Also, we just spent a ton of money on the acoustic grand so I need to get something that will give me the best bang for the buck.
With all that in mind, it makes no sense for me go with the P85 over the Casio PX330 or the PX730 at Costco.
I had a cheap cheap toy Casio keyboard which I had for years and years which actually inspired me to play piano and it works great. It took so much abuse and it still worked great. So I guess I have a sentimental attachement to Casio??
I will be posting more questions about a user friendly music software soon. Thanks.

Peter

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#1320175 - 12/07/09 09:57 AM Re: Casio over Yamaha [Re: pixels]
Martin C. Doege Offline
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Registered: 06/19/09
Posts: 448
Loc: Hamburg, Germany
If you want lots of sounds and rhythms, Casio is definitely better. (I also started on a Casio keyboard, then got the P-85 for its "piano-ness".) Yamaha is wonderful, but more serious in its approach to music, which isn't always what's wanted.
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