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#659575 - 01/16/08 02:50 PM Roland 201/203; Kawai CA51/CD200;Casio
DogT Offline
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Registered: 01/07/08
Posts: 37
Loc: VA
Ok, I have tried the Roland 201/203/207, the Kawai CA51/91 and the AP45 which I assume is going to be a whole lot like the AP500. I tried all these for the 2nd time with headphones only and all in the same day.

The Roland for some reason my fingernails klack all the time when I am playing it and it is quite disturbing. Otherwise they sound nice. I see Jared got his new HP203. I just wonder why my fingernails act the way they do on the Rolands?

The AP25 sounded nice to me, the KB was not unlike the Roland as far as pressure but my fingernails did not klack on the KB. I am assuming the AP500 will be quite similar??

The Kawai, I really liked the KB a lot, it was lighter, but really didn't like the sound of the piano too much, it was sort of harsh in the middle range and the bass part sounded a bit strange. I could probably get used to it. I am convinced gluttny put this in my mind!!

I do not have a whole bunch of music training, none from a teacher. I am really only going to be using this for a piano, I do not need all the extra functions, although it would be nice to be able to adjust some of the settings to my liking. So I am thinking about just getting the AP500 even though it is a lower end piano. I did try the PX-700 once and was pleased enough with it, just didn't want a portable unit, the wifey wants a console type. Price is not much of an object although I do not want to just waste money by getting a lot of features I don't need.

Any thoughts?

Thanks
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#659576 - 01/16/08 08:45 PM Re: Roland 201/203; Kawai CA51/CD200;Casio
dbre Offline
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Registered: 08/21/07
Posts: 21
Loc: US
Klack? Do you mean clack? Sounds of fingernails hitting the keys? Shouldn't this happen on just any piano or keyboard? Were you fingernails actually hit the key surfaces? If not, do you mean the clicking sound when pressing the keys? If so, it could be just the escapement by design to simulate real piano's, only few high-end digital pianos have it.
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#659577 - 01/16/08 09:30 PM Re: Roland 201/203; Kawai CA51/CD200;Casio
DogT Offline
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Registered: 01/07/08
Posts: 37
Loc: VA
For sure it is my fingernails hitting the keys. I don't know why it is just the Rolands that are doing this. I don't seem to have that trouble with any other KB.
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#659578 - 01/17/08 05:32 AM Re: Roland 201/203; Kawai CA51/CD200;Casio
gluttny Offline
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Registered: 12/22/07
Posts: 185
Loc: Austria
I would recommend HP201 and HP203. Both models have 128 polyphony which might be an issue. I found some moments when I feel limitation even with 128 polyphony, and I am not a professional player. But for my daughter, who is using this piano for learning, even 64 polyphony would do fine.

HP201 is nice DP for a starter, DP has everything and feels very good. HP203 is more advanced but then more expensive model from Roland.

Casio, AP45 is a nice DP but it has only 64 polyphony vs. AP500. AP500 offers 128 polyphony and plenty of gimmicks including SD cards slot, connectivity, etc. Keybed on Casio is subjective issue. Some do not like its a bit clunky feeling, others are fine with this. I would recommend either Casio AP500 or PX800 or 720.

Now for Kawai, you are completely correct about sound. I recently played CA91 via headphones, which is the upper class model, and piano sound was a disaster, even cheaper Casio was able to sound more smooth and natural via headphones. I was very surprised with this finding myself as before I tried many models via loudspeakers. This is why I would recommend using headphones for testing piano sound.

I would also look Yamaha way if you do not mind, try CLP 230 and may be a bit more expensive CLP240, both are fine pianos within acceptable price range. One issue with them is that both have only 64 polyphony, but then its your choice. Keys on Yamaha are harder to hit but are very good and natural, I compared GHD3 keybed to Yamaha silent piano (which is acoustic) and can tell the feeling in keys was just about right on their DPs as well. Of course you understand that no DP piano would be able to reproduce good acoustic in sound feel and connection between keys and sound.

Hope this helps. Btw, whenever you buy a piano you immediately want to add a nice piano chair and at least good headphones, which add to your spending list. Then you want may be a proper piano lamp and may be a pair of good compact active sound boxes, so your spending grows more. Take this into account so that you have some pennies left (after buying your piano) for a proper chair to sit on and for a good pair of headphones to play and feel. I can attest all DPs sound better via headphones and may be via external active sound boxes than via original integrated speakers. Go figure why manunfacturers cannot put superior sound speakers into DP body.

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#659579 - 01/17/08 08:52 AM Re: Roland 201/203; Kawai CA51/CD200;Casio
DogT Offline
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Registered: 01/07/08
Posts: 37
Loc: VA
Gluttny,

Well, I did try the Yamahas. The Dealer only had the 220 and 280, but they were enough to know that for some reason I did not like them as much as the Roland, despite my fingernails clicking all the time on the Roland. For some reason I did not like the Yamahas and have passed on them.

I only tried the AP45 because that was the only Casio I could find locally, I am considering the AP500.

I am just wondering about the Kawai, I really liked the KB and am wondering if I can put up with the sound or maybe adjust it in the "Virtual Technician" feature. I am seriously considering the CE200.

Yes, if I want more sound, I think I would get a set of Beheringer monitors for around $350.

As far as bench, light headphones, yes, I already have a very nice piano bench, am thinking about the $70 Grado headphones, and I have a lamp already on my old upright.

Thanks for all your advice.
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#659580 - 02/26/08 10:51 PM Re: Roland 201/203; Kawai CA51/CD200;Casio
jorghi Offline
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Registered: 02/26/08
Posts: 5
Loc: Weston
Greets folks.. I have recently spent an afternoon at a kawai dealer, trying out the various CA models.

To my ear, the Kawai piano samples sounded electric, nothing like a real piano (more like a cheap Casio).

The all wood Awa pro action is, of course quite wonderful, rather light and grand piano like, except for the missing escapement.

I ended up getting a Roland Hp 207, their grand piano sample is Steinway based and sounded the best to my ear (when comparing to the clavinovas and kawai-s).
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#659581 - 02/27/08 05:36 PM Re: Roland 201/203; Kawai CA51/CD200;Casio
gluttny Offline
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Registered: 12/22/07
Posts: 185
Loc: Austria
yes, i also prefer Roland and HP207 is an excellent choice.

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#1320870 - 12/08/09 04:45 AM Re: Roland 201/203; Kawai CA51/CD200;Casio [Re: gluttny]
Martin NL Offline
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Registered: 12/06/09
Posts: 2
Loc: The Netherlands
Kawai's keyboard gets a lot closer to a real piano, compared to Roland. I think Roland just feels like a heavy keyboard, not like a piano... I think the Roland just has better sound if you play dynamics-less. But if you use dynamics, the Kawai CA51 comes to life!
I heard people say the Kawai has bad sound, but thats just a mather of changing some options. The Kawai CA51 is more or less customizable.
Conclusion, if you don't care about the touch of the keyboard, and do not use dynamics in your plays, purchase the Roland.
If you want to have a keyboard on your DP which is a lot more like a real piano, with also a lot better dynamics, you should pick the Kawai CA51.

I don't know anything about the Kawai CD200 or casio.


Edited by Martin NL (12/08/09 04:53 AM)

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#1320890 - 12/08/09 06:29 AM Re: Roland 201/203; Kawai CA51/CD200;Casio [Re: Martin NL]
Andree Offline
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Registered: 10/25/08
Posts: 248
Loc: Sweden
I have never tried a Kawai CA51 so I can't say something about the sound. However I have played on a Kawai CA18 and in my opinion the sound in this piano is good. I presume that it is even better in the new CN-series and the coming CA-series. Has anyone tried a Kawai DP with a more recent sound generator than what is in the CA51?

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