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#1321114 - 12/08/09 02:07 PM piano sample libraries and firmware update
Mariusz Offline
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Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 10
Hi,

Today in music shop a tried kawai mp5 and mp8-II.
I've setup the same settings and the grand piano voice was completely different. I asked about this and the lady in the shop told me that it's because there is a difference in polyphony (which is not true).

Anyway, I asked her if one can change it later with computer software or by downloading new firmware and she said that it's not possible.

Did she had right?
I mean DP is just a piece of electronics with memory where samples are kept(?) and one can probably change the content of that memory?

Can I have the sound of mp8-II grand piano on cl-25?

Thank You.
Mariusz.

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#1321372 - 12/08/09 09:06 PM Re: piano sample libraries and firmware update [Re: Mariusz]
Kawai James Offline
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Registered: 09/06/07
Posts: 8854
Loc: Hamamatsu, Japan
Mariusz,

The MP5 and MP8II share the same sound hardware. Provided both instruments are plugged into a single amplifier and speakers, and configured with the same settings, there should be no difference in the piano sound.

Both instruments share the same 192 note polyphony specification.

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Anyway, I asked her if one can change it later with computer software or by downloading new firmware and she said that it's not possible.


It is not possible to replace the internal sounds used by the MP5/MP8II, however the instrument's software (firmware) can be updated to add new features or fix bugs.

Quote:
Can I have the sound of mp8-II grand piano on cl-25?


No, the MP8II and CL25 utilise different hardware.

Kind regards,
James
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#1321463 - 12/08/09 11:42 PM Re: piano sample libraries and firmware update [Re: Kawai James]
Glenn NK Offline
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Registered: 12/28/08
Posts: 457
Loc: Victoria BC
A standard DP is a ROMPLER (as opposed to the Roland V-Piano which generates the sound on the fly).

Rompler = ROM + sampler.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rompler

The sounds are "burned" permanently to the hardware (ROM) as James alluded to.

Wouldn't it be nice if manufacturers allowed this so we could update our DP sounds? But then how many new DPs would they sell?

Glenn

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#1321541 - 12/09/09 01:23 AM Re: piano sample libraries and firmware update [Re: Glenn NK]
ChrisA Offline
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Registered: 12/28/08
Posts: 3841
Loc: Redondo Beach, California
Originally Posted By: Glenn NK

The sounds are "burned" permanently to the hardware (ROM) as James alluded to.

Wouldn't it be nice if manufacturers allowed this so we could update our DP sounds? But then how many new DPs would they sell?


The Roland pianos have a slot for an SRX Card. These cards contain sample libraries. They must offer 20 diffierent cards. You can buy new cards to add more instruments or to update the instruments already present. Maybe they sell fewer pianos but their stuff tends to be more expensive

You can download samples into a Yamaha Motif but I don't how that works


Edited by ChrisA (12/09/09 01:24 AM)

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#1321590 - 12/09/09 05:09 AM Re: piano sample libraries and firmware update [Re: ChrisA]
Mariusz Offline
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Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 10
I understand now that there is no possibility to change the internal voice of the DP.

How about connecting it to the computer?
MIDI sends all informations necessary to reproduce the sound?
In other words such ROM (ROMPLER) could be replaced with computer software if there would be decent sound sample library?

These ROM's are probably much much smaller than what decent computer can handle. Therefor for sure there is no technical barrier for doing that - it's just no one will publish informations from ROM?

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#1321612 - 12/09/09 08:15 AM Re: piano sample libraries and firmware update [Re: Mariusz]
setchman Offline
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Registered: 02/26/06
Posts: 166
Like ChrisA said, adding new piano (or other) samples to certain keyboards is possible. I have a Yamaha Motif XS8 and have a number of different pianos to choose from, some of which I own. Because computer RAM can be added to the Motif, I can purchase and download new instruments and load them via USB into the RAM just like you can a computer. There is still a limit to the number of instruments that are available but it is still more than you have with other keyboards.

And yes, connect your keyboard to a computer via MIDI and the possibilities are nearly endless. Do a few searches on Synthogy Ivory, Garritan Steinway, Galaxy II, Pianoteq, just to name a few, and you'll find plenty of information about the various software-based pianos you can use with any MIDI keyboard.
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#1321623 - 12/09/09 08:42 AM Re: piano sample libraries and firmware update [Re: setchman]
DragonPianoPlayer Offline
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Registered: 12/12/06
Posts: 2368
Loc: Denver, CO
Mahlzeit has a website where you discusses how to use software pianos and how midi works. See www.pianoclues.com and click on the link for MIDI on the right hand side.

I'd also add Native Instruments Akoustic Pianos to the mix. If you are only interested in one of NI's four instruments, you can purchase a download version for $79.

I have and use TruePiano and Galaxy II Vienna Grand with my Privia PX310.

Rich
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#1321626 - 12/09/09 08:48 AM Re: piano sample libraries and firmware update [Re: DragonPianoPlayer]
Mariusz Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 10
That also looks nice: http://www.apple.com/logicstudio/
I do not know how does it scale for pianos.
They claim they have large collection of instruments (http://www.apple.com/logicstudio/plug-ins/).

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#1321918 - 12/09/09 03:38 PM Re: piano sample libraries and firmware update [Re: Mariusz]
Glenn NK Offline
Full Member

Registered: 12/28/08
Posts: 457
Loc: Victoria BC
Originally Posted By: Mariusz
I understand now that there is no possibility to change the internal voice of the DP.

How about connecting it to the computer?
MIDI sends all information necessary to reproduce the sound?
In other words such ROM (ROMPLER) could be replaced with computer software if there would be decent sound sample library?



Yes: I use Pianoteq. It's not sample based, but generates the sound using physical modeling (physmod) in real time. It uses the midi information generated by my DP. I will say that while the sound isn't perfect, it is extremely playable on the keyboard.

In response to the others about updating sounds - I bought the wrong pianos - neither my Technics nor my two Rolands could be updated - which annoys me. And is why I don't use the onboard sound at all.

Glenn

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