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#1321790 - 12/09/09 01:17 PM Re: Beethoven vs. Chopin. [Re: xtraheat]
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Hi PartyPianist~~

Not hard to play??? Wow! Maybe you mean hard to play correctly or well?

I would love to hear you play all Pathetique movements and all Sonata No 5 movements.

Please post them. I love listening those two Sonatas and attempting to make them sound even half-way decent at half-speed.

oh heck - throw in all the Tempest and Moonlight Sonata movements as well.

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#1321791 - 12/09/09 01:17 PM Re: Beethoven vs. Chopin. [Re: xtraheat]
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(Not him, the other guy, i.e. in the prior post, but I wondered too. Anyway I would guess there's a difference between playing and PLAYING.) smile

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#1321809 - 12/09/09 01:32 PM Re: Beethoven vs. Chopin. [Re: Mark_C]
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I, too, would be interested to hear your playing, PartyPianist. You seem to be able (according to your own posts) to play nearly everything, and you quite broadly talk about your virtuosic skills and wide repertoire, yet you havent't proved anything of your skills.

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#1322136 - 12/09/09 08:22 PM Re: Beethoven vs. Chopin. [Re: Juishi]
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Yes, how about you post up a recording of, let's say, the last movement of the Hammerklavier, or the first movement of Op.111? And to quote what you said to me earlier: "I will wait with baited breath to see how you talk your way out of NOT providing a recording."
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#1322192 - 12/09/09 09:32 PM Re: Beethoven vs. Chopin. [Re: xtraheat]
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Originally Posted By: xtraheat
You have played every single Beethoven Sonata?


I regularly play all Beethoven's sonatas on rotation, excluding 9 & 10 as I don't currently have the scores. As with anything else performance is a "work in progress" and the most work required would be the final (32) variations. Which do I play well (in my opinion)?

3, 4, 5, 6, 12, 13, 15, 19-21 (except the glissandos), 22, 25, 26 (just), 27, 28, and 31.

Providing I don't take the scherzo and presto non tanto too fast, I play Chopin's #3 well too. To put things in perspective, comparing my performances to others I “tend” to be on the fast end of the scale, my “slow” is often another’s “moderate”. I can perform the Hammerklaviar final movement effectively using a crotchet pulse at 100BPM, maybe 120BPM on a good day. I cannot mimic Glenn Gould’s staggering performance – but I’m working on it grin
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You play it & I'll hum it, but currently rehearsing:

Bach WTC book 2 no 15 G major, no 20 A minor, no 22 Bb Minor
Mozart A minor Sonata K310
Mendelssohn Op 35 preludes and fuges
Busoni Carmen Fantasy
Rachmaninov Bb prelude OP 23 no 2
Lyapunov Humoreske Op 34
and others

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#1322197 - 12/09/09 09:35 PM Re: Beethoven vs. Chopin. [Re: Juishi]
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Originally Posted By: Juishi
I, too, would be interested to hear your playing, PartyPianist. You seem to be able (according to your own posts) to play nearly everything, and you quite broadly talk about your virtuosic skills and wide repertoire, yet you havent't proved anything of your skills.


The forum's been presented an offer - do something about it thumb
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You play it & I'll hum it, but currently rehearsing:

Bach WTC book 2 no 15 G major, no 20 A minor, no 22 Bb Minor
Mozart A minor Sonata K310
Mendelssohn Op 35 preludes and fuges
Busoni Carmen Fantasy
Rachmaninov Bb prelude OP 23 no 2
Lyapunov Humoreske Op 34
and others

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#1322203 - 12/09/09 09:40 PM Re: Beethoven vs. Chopin. [Re: PartyPianist]
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Recording??
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Beethoven Sonata Op.109
Chopin Op.10 No.1
Bach WTC II no. 15

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#1322276 - 12/09/09 11:11 PM Re: Beethoven vs. Chopin. [Re: xtraheat]
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I'm lost. smile

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#1322288 - 12/09/09 11:25 PM Re: Beethoven vs. Chopin. [Re: Mark_C]
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I think PartyPianist is referring to this thread. So if anyone lives in Sydney, Australia and has decent recording equipment and a piano, you can listen to him live.

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#1322289 - 12/09/09 11:27 PM Re: Beethoven vs. Chopin. [Re: Frozenicicles]
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Originally Posted By: Frozenicicles
I think PartyPianist is referring to this thread. So if anyone lives in Sydney, Australia and has decent recording equipment and a piano, you can listen to him live.

Oh. ha

(Thanks!)

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#1322331 - 12/10/09 12:37 AM Re: Beethoven vs. Chopin. [Re: xtraheat]
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Originally Posted By: xtraheat
Recording??


Theoretically "recorded" or "unrecorded" should be the same. To date no recordings.
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You play it & I'll hum it, but currently rehearsing:

Bach WTC book 2 no 15 G major, no 20 A minor, no 22 Bb Minor
Mozart A minor Sonata K310
Mendelssohn Op 35 preludes and fuges
Busoni Carmen Fantasy
Rachmaninov Bb prelude OP 23 no 2
Lyapunov Humoreske Op 34
and others

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#1322335 - 12/10/09 12:41 AM Re: Beethoven vs. Chopin. [Re: PartyPianist]
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Maybe we can shed some light on this controversy. smile

Is it possible that when you say that you "play" all these pieces, what you mostly mean is that you can play through them, but not necessarily at something close to performance level?

That would still be impressive, and maybe it wouldn't shock people so much.

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#1322341 - 12/10/09 12:49 AM Re: Beethoven vs. Chopin. [Re: Mark_C]
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What is performance level, Mark? That is a more pertinient question?

Could I "pass myself off as a concert pianist"? is what you are really asking.

The answer in yes, I could fool you, lol!

I play all Beehoven's sonatas to performance standard, but some are complete while others are a work in progress. Of course even they complete performances could be improved. I will never quite reach Beethoven.
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You play it & I'll hum it, but currently rehearsing:

Bach WTC book 2 no 15 G major, no 20 A minor, no 22 Bb Minor
Mozart A minor Sonata K310
Mendelssohn Op 35 preludes and fuges
Busoni Carmen Fantasy
Rachmaninov Bb prelude OP 23 no 2
Lyapunov Humoreske Op 34
and others

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#1322353 - 12/10/09 01:13 AM Re: Beethoven vs. Chopin. [Re: PartyPianist]
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I have no doubt that there are people who are at concert pianist level but choose not to become concert pianists. There are people with extraordinary talents in the word...and being able to perform all the Beethoven sonatas is not unheard of among the greats. PartyPianist, I believe you about your playing and I anxiously await being able to listen to it. thumb

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#1322441 - 12/10/09 07:18 AM Re: Beethoven vs. Chopin. [Re: Frozenicicles]
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No, you sound like a liar that holds double standards to people. You tell me that you "wait with bated breath to find a way for me to talk my way out of a performance" of the 8th Chopin prelude, which you said is one of the hardest pieces you have ever learned (yet you have learned all of the Beethoven Sonatas, which are exponentially more difficult), yet you just claim nonchalantly claim "no recordings".
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Prokofiev Piano Concerto 3
Beethoven Sonata Op.109
Chopin Op.10 No.1
Bach WTC II no. 15

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#1322584 - 12/10/09 11:25 AM Re: Beethoven vs. Chopin. [Re: xtraheat]
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THIS THREAD JUST GETS MORE AWESOME!!!!!!
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#1322602 - 12/10/09 11:52 AM Re: Beethoven vs. Chopin. [Re: Horowitzian]
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IT IN FACT IS SO AWESOME THAT I'LL MAKE A ONCE-IN-A-LIFETIME APPEARANCE JUST TO CLOSE IT

HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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