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#1329292 - 12/19/09 04:50 PM
Re: Square bracket
[Re: ChopinAddict]
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Do you mean op.740 no.15? I can't see any square bracket anywhere.
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#1329300 - 12/19/09 04:57 PM
Re: Square bracket
[Re: currawong]
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I found it (in the edition by Vogrich at IMSLP), but I've never encountered this symbol before:  My best guess is that it emphasizes the slur (in contradistinction to the articulation of the other octaves). Steven
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Chopin: Allegro de Concert Op. 46 Schumann: Toccata Op. 7 Fauré: Ballade Op. 19
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#1329639 - 12/20/09 05:31 AM
Re: Square bracket
[Re: sotto voce]
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I found it (in the edition by Vogrich at IMSLP), but I've never encountered this symbol before:  My best guess is that it emphasizes the slur (in contradistinction to the articulation of the other octaves). Steven In general you would play both places using a binding 4-5 fingering - as you get from black to white - and a gliding thumb. Here the composer (or the editor) probably suggests in both cases a gliding 5-5 - as an excercise of binding in spite of using the same finger - as well as the assistance of the releasing pedal (in spite of the standard pedal indication below, therefore the square bracket). This is even needed in order to play the second note not only more quietly but also shorter than the first one as they both are "note-pairs". Pianists do this automatically - following the "needs of the ear". Therefore, a normal grown-up probably does not even think of such "advices" 
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#1329651 - 12/20/09 06:38 AM
Re: Square bracket
[Re: nickythenack]
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So ... it's to emphasize the slur?  Steven
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Chopin: Allegro de Concert Op. 46 Schumann: Toccata Op. 7 Fauré: Ballade Op. 19
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#1329660 - 12/20/09 07:22 AM
Re: Square bracket
[Re: sotto voce]
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So ... it's to emphasize the slur?  Steven It is to emphasize the analogous usage of the pedal in such cases showing the way how to support the musical need, i.e. the second note is shorter than the 1st one in spite of the standard usage of the pedal as shown below.
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#1329675 - 12/20/09 08:40 AM
Re: Square bracket
[Re: DragonPianoPlayer]
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There is nothing here to indicate that one note is shorter than the other - so I don't understand that last post by nickythenack. I think I do.  Steven
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Chopin: Allegro de Concert Op. 46 Schumann: Toccata Op. 7 Fauré: Ballade Op. 19
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#1329690 - 12/20/09 09:36 AM
Re: Square bracket
[Re: sotto voce]
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There is nothing here to indicate that one note is shorter than the other - so I don't understand that last post by nickythenack. I think I do.  Steven Thank you Steven !!! (The genuine sympathy between dog and cat  )
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