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#1330085 - 12/20/09 06:30 PM Piano module with M-Audio Keystation61 or Yamaha P85
Rayb Offline
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Registered: 12/16/09
Posts: 28
Loc: Amsterdam
Ok, because this is a forum I would like to know some things more, maybe it's a dumb question but ok smile

In some othere threads I was asking for some DP info.
I got some nice info overthere and I will surely going to the pianoshop to test some piano's.

But, I already have a few years a M-Audio Keystation 61.

Surely I can test and maybe buy a Yamaha P85, but because I have that Keystation I'd like to get some thigs clear.

1) If I hook up that Keystation to a midi module (Kurzweil me-1, GEM gpx, or a Limex Vienna) which would sound better,
The Piano module or the Yamaha 85? (both via headphones)

2) Is it bad thinking to do this? Is the Keystation maybe a crap thing to play piano music?

I will not hook the Keystation up with my computer, because I don't like to always put the computer on.

Finally, the P85 would cost me more then buying one of these sound modules, but if those modules sounds a BIT better then the P85 and the M-Audio plays like crap, then I surely will go for the P-85.

Thanks for reading smile

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#1330147 - 12/20/09 08:08 PM Re: Piano module with M-Audio Keystation61 or Yamaha P85 [Re: Rayb]
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Registered: 12/14/09
Posts: 140
I guess there is no bad thinking when your budget is limited but you still want to make music. However, here is my comment.

First of all, you need to ask yourself what do you want to do in terms of music making and can your choices of gears are able to do that. Keystation61 is designed to be hook up with computer not for a live performance(as it has a USB slot and no knobs or button that can be assigned). The key is not weighted, which will not give you a piano-feel. However, it is small and fits nicely in front of your computer.

I am not sure if keystation61 has a midi output. If there is one, you can hook it up with your midi module. However no matter how good your midi module are, this will not feel like playing a real instrument.

On the other side, P85 has a weighted key and can give your more of a piano feel. It has more keys. So you can actually sit down and have a feeling of playing a piano. Although it has less sounds than your midi module and might not be as good, it still give you a feel of an instrument, which is important.

To summarize my comments, if you want something you can physically practice on and develop your keyboard skill, go for P85. If you are more into music production (which I assume that you don't as you mention that you don't want to hook it up with a computer), stick with your keystation61.

BUT!!!... if you just want to learn music in general, and you have already own a midi module, then you can save money by sticking with your Keystation and midi module. And when you are more serious about it, get P85.

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#1330169 - 12/20/09 08:43 PM Re: Piano module with M-Audio Keystation61 or Yamaha P85 [Re: champy]
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Registered: 07/26/09
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If you are planning on doing any piano playing, then 61 keys just won't do. frown

Plus, you would want the "feel" of a piano as well, and the P-85 has an excellent weighted and graded 88 note hammer action keyboard.

With the P-85, there's also the convenience of the "all-in-one" instrument, that you can just switch on and start playing.

Snazzy
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#1330221 - 12/20/09 10:15 PM Re: Piano module with M-Audio Keystation61 or Yamaha P85 [Re: Rayb]
ChrisA Offline
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Registered: 12/28/08
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Loc: Redondo Beach, California
Originally Posted By: Rayb
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But, I already have a few years a M-Audio Keystation 61.

Surely I can test and maybe buy a Yamaha P85, but because I have that Keystation I'd like to get some thigs clear.

1) If I hook up that Keystation to a midi module (Kurzweil me-1, GEM gpx, or a Limex Vienna) which would sound better,
The Piano module or the Yamaha 85? (both via headphones)

2) Is it bad thinking to do this? Is the Keystation maybe a crap thing to play piano music?



The keystation has "semi-weighted" keys but the P85 is very light hammer action keys that get closer to what a piano is like. The P85 would be a step up in terms of key action.

A good dedicated midi sound module can have very good sound and likely a lot more sounds then the P85.

So you have to ask yourself if you are a keyboard player or a piano player.

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#1330452 - 12/21/09 06:10 AM Re: Piano module with M-Audio Keystation61 or Yamaha P85 [Re: ChrisA]
BazC Offline
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Registered: 01/04/08
Posts: 711
Loc: Cambridgeshire, UK
I'm not much more than a beginner but I thought I'd stick my oar in anyway! wink

I started out with an M-Audio Keystation 61es controlling Garageband to begin with then Pianoteq. In my opinion it's action is very good for a semi weighted controller, I never had any problem adjusting to playing acoustic pianos or fully weighted keyboards when I had the opportunity.

I've now bought a fully weighted/piano action 88key DP and it is MUCH nicer to play but I still play the keystation now and then and still find it's action acceptable.

So I'd say if you can afford it get a fully weighted 88 key instrument (assuming you want to play piano of course) but if money is tight the controller you have will do until you can afford something better. Look out for second hand DPs too, I got mine for about £200 and I love it! You'd struggle to find a Piano Module with good piano sounds for that price.
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#1330589 - 12/21/09 11:14 AM Re: Piano module with M-Audio Keystation61 or Yamaha P85 [Re: BazC]
Rayb Offline
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Registered: 12/16/09
Posts: 28
Loc: Amsterdam
Thanks for all reactions, I will definately go for testing the P85 smile

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#1337787 - 12/31/09 11:11 AM Re: Piano module with M-Audio Keystation61 or Yamaha P85 [Re: Rayb]
Rayb Offline
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Registered: 12/16/09
Posts: 28
Loc: Amsterdam
Oke today finally I tested the P-85 myself.
Feels very nice comparing to my M-Audio Keystation 61es.

I also tested the NP-30 and yes indeed, you miss some weight.

I already played the Korg and the Casio piano's but I prefer the Yamaha's.

Ok, for now, I want a new piano smile P-85 or NP30.

The NP30 feels a lot better than my Keystation but..
the P-85 feels much nicer, but the problem is the price..
NP 30: EUR 330 with adapter
P-85: EUR 649 without stand and pedals

That's much of a price difference and I also don't know for how long I'm gonna like playing Piano (I hope for ever haha).

So it's a bit confusing.
Buying a bad instrument for 330 EUR or a good instrument for 649 EUR..


Edited by Rayb (12/31/09 11:14 AM)

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#1337798 - 12/31/09 11:26 AM Re: Piano module with M-Audio Keystation61 or Yamaha P85 [Re: Rayb]
snazzyplayer Offline
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Registered: 07/26/09
Posts: 983
Loc: Earth
Just a thought, Ray...I'd go with the weighted action if possible...perhaps the P-85...another thing in it's favor, is that it shouldn't be too hard to sell if you decide you don't want to continue with piano.

It's just a simple basic piano with no rhythms or styles to out of fashion, but it still has some nice frills (layering, effects etc.), a good weighted action and the Yamaha name, so it should be easier to sell than a Casio or even the NP-30, which feels nothing like a real piano.

I'm pretty pleased with my P-85...I still like playing it in spite of having the Avant Grand and a CP-300...it's a basic, "honest" instrument.

Snazzy
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