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Pipe Organs are quite rare in our country. The predominant Orthodox church does not use instruments, but ancient Byzantine polyphonic singing.

Some organs are in the not very many churches of other denominations, particularly of the German and Hungarian communities in Transylvania.

A few specifications are published here:
http://orgue.free.fr/roumanie.html

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BraÅŸov (Kronstadt) - Black Church organ.
Bucholz, 1839. 4 manuals, ~4000 pipes. Mechanical tracker action.

http://orgue.free.fr/roumanie1.html
http://www.hog-kronstadt.de/orgel.html (in German, detailed story. Disposition table is garbled)

I've been close to the console when played and talked a bit with the old master organist, Hans Eckart Schlandt (now the main organist is his son Steffen Schlandt). This one is really hard on fingers - up to 400 grams for coupled manuals. Keys of other manual really 'move together on their own'.

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Sibiu (Hermannstadt) - "City chief priest's church" (Stadtpfarrkirche)
Sauer, 1914. 4 manuals, ~6000 pipes. Pneumatic action (Barker levers)

http://ursula.philippi.ro/ro/orga-sauer.html

The most complex organ in Romania in current working state.
I've only listened to this one (and the smaller practice organ in a lateral room).

Due to the large and unequal delays of the pneumatic action to pipe cases in separate parts of the church, it seems only the resident organist Ursula Philippi can play this organ properly.

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This is fascinating! Thanks for sharing. smile

Lovely Gothic cathedral in Sibiu. (Architecture nut here!)


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Yes, that architecture in Sibiu is marvelous.
And hierarchically it's not a cathedral, since it doesn't house the "cathedra" of a bishop. "Stadtpfarrkirche" is their own word.

I tried there to buy a recording of Ursula Philippi, but it was available only in Euros, way more that I had on the spot.

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Bucuresti - National Music University - New organ
Inauguration concert on March 7th, 2008.

2 manuals, ~2200 pipes, completely mechanical trackers.

Read off the finely engraved piston buttons...

* Lower manual (Great) - 56 keys, C-G
Bourdon 16'
Principal 8'
Piffaro 8'
{A Principal, slightly detuned and mounted symmetrically upside down, giving together a broad "Celeste" sound}
Rohrflöte 8'
Viola da Gamba 8'
Octava 4'
Quinta 2 2/3'
Superoctava 2'
Mixtur IV
Trompete 8'

* Pedal - 30 keys, C-F
Subbass 16'
Principal 8'
Octava 4'
Posaune 16'
Trompete 8'

* Upper manual (Swell) - 56 keys, C-G
Salicional 16'
Quintaton 8'
Bourdon 8'
Flute a cheminee 4'
Prestant 4'
Nasard 2 2/3'
Flute 2'
Tierce 1 3/5'
Hautbois 8'

Manual-Coppel (I to II)
Tremulant
Nachtigall
Calcant {This seemed the on/off switch !}
Cimbelstern

Large pedal - Swell shutters
Pedal to I coupler
Pedal to II coupler
Pedal to II/Octave coupler

It sounds really nice (mainly because it's freshly tuned ;-).
Quite powerful with all stops on, esp. the reeds Posaune, Trompete and Hautbois.
Also the Piffaro+Principal sounds exquisitely. If the effect is too strong, then Piffaro+Octave (no Principal) still beats more subtly.
I've tested only very briefly, the manual I Mixture is shriller than I thought, and the manual II Quintaton and Nazard gentler than I thought.

The design seems a reduction to about half of the famous Black Church organ in Brasov (Kronstadt) from 1837. A Neo-baroque / Orgelbewegung -inspired design, but still with enough options to play more modern repertoire.

Case is painted a curious green, with some red and gold trim.

Jean Langlais - Incantation pour un Jour Saint
played by Simona Popovici
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REHzEh6WYSg

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Originally Posted by ROMagister
Yes, that architecture in Sibiu is marvelous.
And hierarchically it's not a cathedral, since it doesn't house the "cathedra" of a bishop. "Stadtpfarrkirche" is their own word.

I tried there to buy a recording of Ursula Philippi, but it was available only in Euros, way more that I had on the spot.


I didn't realize that, thanks. smile But it still is a grand building. thumb

FWIW, searching for Ursula Philippi turned up some Youtube hits:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Ursula+Phillipi&search_type=&aq=f


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BucureÅŸti - Sf. Iosif - Catholic Archbishop's cathedral
movable reserve organ - pending repair of main organ
(1920-30's?) Tamburini, Italy. 2 manuals, 280 pipes

2 manuals x 56 keys (C2...G6)
1 pedalboard x 30 keys (C2..F4)

Bordone (16')
Flauto a camino 8' II
Ottava 4'
Quintadecima 2'
Sesquialtera alti (2 2/3' + 1 3/5')
Sesquialtera bassi

Coppia pedale I
Coppia pedale II
Coppia tastieri

I listened to it carefully in a 'cameral'+vocal Christmas recital. At first only the Flauto a camino was used, it was so mild it could be barely heard near 2 acoustic violins. Organist didn't want to use 2' or Sesquialtera not to 'mark' too much the sound among the others.

Its full organ is a decent enough 'principal choir' of a normal-sized organ, impressive enough for a Wedding March. Still swamped by 8 violins + 2 cellos + 32 people mixed choir.

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Cluj-Napoca (Kolozsvar, Klausenburg) - Reformed Church - of Hungarian community
1913(1941?) Angster - Pecs, Hungary. 2 manuals (C2-G6), 24 stops. Pneumatic action

Pedal (C2-F4)
1. Contrabass 16'
2. Subbass 16'
3. Possaune 16'
4. Octavbass 8'
5. Cello 8'

Manual I (Great)
6. Bourdon 16'
7. Principal 8'
8. Octav 2' [replacing an older 8']
9. Salicional 8'
10. Csöfuvola 8' (=Rohrflöte)
11. Trombita 8' [A warm buzzy woody sound, not a Clarion]
12. Fl. doubl. 4'
13. Pr. Octav 4'
14. Mixtur 2 2/3' 5 Sör (=V or 5 ranks)

Manual II (Swell - with shutter expression pedal)
15. Quintaton 16'
16. Heg. Principal 8' (=Geigen-Principal, violin-toned)
17. Gamba 8' (together they did some Celeste beating)
18. Aeoline 8'
19. Piccolo 2' [replacing an older 8']
20. Flute-harm. 8'
21. Oboa 8'
22. Zergekürt 4' (=Gemshorn)
23. Fl. travers. 4'
24. Harm. aetherea 2 2/3' 4 Sör (A milder-toned Mixture)

25. Man. cop.
26. Pedal cop. I M
27. Pedal cop. II M
28. Superoct cop. I+II
29. Suboct cop. I+II

P,MF,F,FF pistons
Crescendo roll

The young local organist was really nice to demonstrate the capabilities of this organ. Quite mistuned now (church being not heated in winter, so it was us and the walls...). Attack was really delayed and slow-starting, but warmly resonant after.
Thanks for the hospitality!

My first test-play and registration tinkering on true pipes!
"A Whiter Shade of Pale" on I (The Tower): 16', 8' Principal, 4' Pr. Octav, 2', Mixture
"Arrival" on II (A Milder Shade of Tower): Geigen+Gamba 8', Fl.travers. 4', Harm. aetherea
"Child in Time" - impractical due to delay
Pedal D2 (all except Posaune) + that building 6-chord on first page of BWV565

Also visited the St. Michael church of the German community. Organ was gently heard - 3 advanced students were practicing for a competition recital. Sturdy medieval door upstairs well locked with a medieval lock ;-)
On the church floor there was a 4' movable organ, donation ~1700 to its village in Germany, re-donated to here in the 1990's. Artistic inscription in Gothic script praising God and its music.

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BucureÅŸti - Romanian Radio Hall organ
1959-60 Rieger-Kloss Krnov, Czechoslovakia/Czech Republic/Sudetenland
2009-2010 rebuild by same Rieger-Kloss varhany s.r.o.
4 manuals x 61 keys (C2-C7), 7300 pipes. Electric action
Was (and will be after repair) the largest functional organ in Romania.

I. MANUAL
1. Principal 16'
2. Flaut cu tub 16' (= Rohrflöte)
3. Principal a 8'
4. Principal b 8'
5. Flaut deschis 8' (= Open Flute)
6. Corn de capră neagră 8' (= Gemshorn)
7. Cvintă mare 5 1/3' (= Großquinte)
8. Prestant 4'
9. Octavă 4'
10. Flaut cav 4' (= Hohlflöte ?)
11. Superoctavă a 2'
12. Superoctavă b 2'

13. Fluier şuierător 4x 2 2/3' (= Rauschflöte ?)
14. Mixtură mare 6-8x 2' (= Großmixtur)
15. Mixtură şuierător 6x 2 2/3' (= Rauschmixtur ?)
16. Mixtură mică 5x 1' (= Kleinmixtur)
17. Trompetă 16'
18. Zink 8'

19. II/I
20. III/I
21. IV/I

II. MANUAL
22. Pommer 16'
23. Principal a 8'
24. Principal b 8'
25. Burdon 8'
26. Cvintadenă 8' (= Quintadena)
27. Octavă a 4'
28. Octavă b 4'
29. Flaut fus 4' (= Spindelflöte)
30. Cvintă 2 2/3'
31. Octavă 2'
32. Flaut transversal 2' (= Querflöte)
33. Superoctavă 2'

34. Tertian 2x 1 3/5' + 1 1/3'
35. Acuta 5-6x 1'
36. Cymbal cu terţă 3x 1/5' (= Terzcymbel)
37. Trompetă spaniolă 8' (= Spanish Trumpet)
38. Corn încovoiat 8' (= Krummhorn)
39. Trompetă spaniolă 4'

40. III/II
41. IV/II
42. Tremolo

III. MANUAL
43. Burdon 16'
44. Principal 8'
45. Flaut de lemn 8' (= Holzflöte)
46. Fluier de salcie 8' (= Weidenflöte ? Salicional ?)
47. Violină tremolo 2x 8' + 4'
48. Octavă 4'
49. Corn nocturn 4' (= Nachthorn)
50. Nazard 2 2/3'
51. Fluier de pădure 2' (= Waldflöte)
52. Terţă de corn 1 3/5' (= Hornterz)

53. Hölzernglächter 3x 4/7'
54. Mixtură 5-7x 1 1/3'
55. Cymbal cu cvintă 3x 1/3' (= Quintcymbel ?)
56. Dulcian 16'
57. Trompetă franceză 8' (= French Trumpet)
58. Oboi 8'
59. Trîmbiţă 4' (~ bugle ?)

60. IV/III
61. Tremolo

IV. MANUAL
62. Flaut cuplat 8' (= Koppelflöte)
63. Gambă conică 8' (= Spitzgamba)
64. Principal 4'
65. FluieraÅŸ 4' (= Little flute)
66. Cvintadenă cu tub 4'
67. Octavă 2'
68. Flaut ascuţit 2' (= Scharfflöte)
69. Cvintă mică 1 1/3' (= Kleinquint)
70. Schwegel 1'

71. Sesquialtera 2x 2/3' + 2/5'
72. Acuta 5x 1'
73. Rankett 16'
74. Vox humana 8'
75. Avena dulcissima 8'

76. Tremolo


PEDAL
77. Burdon mare 32' (= Großbourdon)
78. Principal de bas 2x 16'
79. Subbas 16'
80. Burdon de bas 16'
81. Cvintă mare 10 2/3' (= Großquinte)
82. Octavă de bas 8'
83. Flaut de bas 8'
84. Pommer cu tub 8' (= Rohrpommer)
85. Bas de choral 4' (= Choralbass)
86. Flaut pîlnie 4' (= Trichterflöte)
87. Flaut plat 2' (= Flachflöte)

88. Bas vîjîitor 7x 5 1/3' (= Rauschbass ? Rauschwerk ?)
89. Mixtură mare 6x 2 2/3'
90. Mixtură mică 5x 1'
91. Bombardă 32'
92. Trombon 16' (= Posaune ?)
93. Trompetă 8'
94. Clarină 4'
95. Caval cu tub 2' (= Rohrschelle ?)
96. I/P
97. II/P
98. III/P
99. IV/P

ANULATOR (= canceller)
100. Anul. Cuple (= cancel couplers)
101. Anul. Ancii (= cancel reeds)
102. Anul. 16' Man 32' Ped
103. Anul. Crescendo

SQ-
SQ+

The old installation played for the last time in March 2009 for a Haydn & Händel festival - with very limited stop selection (likely the others were unusable due to 'gaps' in certain keys, relays, valves etc). The console had brightly backlit color-coded stop flip-switches with original German names (I vaguely remember an Erzähler; now removed or maybe renamed) and several gaps - but I didn't take photos then. A very thick "cable snake" connected the console (movable a few meters) to a hole in the floor.

I transcribed the stop names as they are on the new rebuilt console. They are in Romanian, some are very funny/first-time litteral translations (Gemshorn > "Horn of black goat"). The "snake" is similar but thinner, likely digital coding.

Maybe someone more versed in big universal organ design can decode the meanings/uses of the 4 different manuals in this organ. I could not discern a classical design of Great/Swell/Echo etc.

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Looks like Great/Positive/Swell/Solo to me. IV could also be a second Swell. It's hard to say without hearing how it sounds.


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Ooh... the disappointment/delayed hope...

The organ-spotting I tried is already done on a professional, officially financed scale. For now the database is open only to a few top organists each allocated a large 'area of interest', but they promise it will be public when the project ends. As official things go by here, I wouldn't hope an exact date.
"The Repertoire of Pipe Organs in Romania"
http://www.monografia-orgilor.uvt.ro/NEW/login.php?lang=en

But I think amateur interest is still not worthless for a closer feedback of personal impressions, state of functioning/disrepair etc.

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WOW.

what a wonderful thread.

keep it up


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i'd love to volunteer to give Ursula a month off. She must be tired from her duties.

How I wish I could play these organs.


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i'd love to volunteer to give Ursula a month off. She must be tired from her duties.

How I wish I could play these organs.


I second that.

So many instruments of this late-romantic style have been destroyed or altered during the course of the 20th century because they were not baroque and thus "unworthy". I find it therefore most admirable that such an instrument is still existant and in playable condition. Fortunately the value of those romantic organs is now being recognized again.


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I'm glad you appreciate my reporting. Maybe soon I'll have another one...

... and for pneumatic-action lovers: do you really love that mechanism ? I quite disliked the delays. Electric is faster - except the same delays for pipes to start speaking. And both are on/off.
But I agree that the timbre from higher pressures and many layered tones sounds greatly (when it's well tuned) and it's hard to do on purely mechanical action without being too heavy on fingers (like in the Brasov Black Church organ).

I also liked the crispness of the smallish new mechanical organ of the Conservatory. Didn't test exactly what the tracker action does to not be exactly ON/OFF and a pure AND logical gate between key and stop, like assisted mechanisms (pneumatic and electric) do.
I mean, a stop pulled only partially should sound weaker, or with different timbre ? the position pattern in time of key attack and release matters too ? like in a piano, or differently ?

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BucureÅŸti - Lutheran Church
Smaller organ on church floor - Late baroque, restored late 20th century. [Pending repair of main organ in back balcony. Seems to become the norm around here...]

1 manual, 49 keys (C2-C6). Pedalboard, 27 keys (C2-D4). Mechanical action.

(left side pistons)
Octav 4'
Flauta 8'
Salicet 4'
Quint 1 1/3'
Vogelgeschrey
Tremulant
Choralbass 4'
Posaune 8'

(right side pistons)
Principal 8'
Flauta 4'
Superoct. 2'
Mixtur 4fach
Pauck
Koppel
Quintbass 5 2/3'
Octavbass 4'

The Lutheran community of Saxon Germans having mostly migrated back to Germany, now the church was open at noon for the small Hungarian community of Unitarians. A Romanian organist played what looked like Bach on the sweet Flauta 8' alone. The Principal were too loud for the few people.
And the low F key was ineffective on the Flauta this week ;-) Humidity in mechanism blamed.

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Correction to above (how to Edit?): the last two are
Subbass 16'
Octavbass 8'

and no Quintbass.

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Fascinating.

We are planning to conduct a European tour of piano factories in 2011.
Our thinking is to limit it to 3 piano factories and perhaps the Renner factory.

Because half the challenge is getting there (particularly for members outside Europe, like those of us in the U.S.) I thought we'd also visit some composer's homes and possibly Cathedrals. My friend Kathy and I both love architecture, particularly older buildings.

I hadn't really thought about combining pipe organs with the tour, but now I'm thinking that could be very interesting.

Thank you for the reports ROMagister, much appreciated.



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Of the notable piano factories which also make pipe organs (and parts for them):
Rieger-Kloss in the Czech Republic makes the "Bohemia" piano and other brands, and also major civic organs, like that big Radio Hall organ here, and installed in many parts of East Europe. Chişinău in Moldova republic also has a Rieger-Kloss in the "Hall with Organ", a major element of civic cultural life.

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