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#1336925 - 12/30/09 10:16 AM
Call for a new Forum
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Registered: 09/11/06
Posts: 937
Loc: Dallas, TX, US
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SHould we have a separate forum dedicated to these e-citals? We have four going on at the same time now, and they live on this forum and the ABF. It is hard to keep up with their rises and falls from the front page and if you are not in on it before the topic slides down the front page and into oblivion you don't know about it.
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#1336930 - 12/30/09 10:25 AM
Re: Call for a new Forum
[Re: Schubertian]
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How about just bumping them occasionally so they don't disappear? I fear that a separate e-cital forum will have just about the same visibility as the member recordings forum.
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#1336939 - 12/30/09 10:43 AM
Re: Call for a new Forum
[Re: jazzyprof]
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Registered: 08/15/06
Posts: 6163
Loc: Briarcliff Manor, NY, USA
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When the forum's interface was upgraded last winter, the new ability of moderators to create subforums was touted as one of the great new features of the new software.
It would appear that a subforum for member recordings is exactly the sort of thing that's appropriate for a subforum. Perhaps a subforum makes sense for e-citals as well, though it's not clear that any given e-cital really needs more than one thread dedicated to its preparation and/or aftermath.
Steven
Edited by sotto voce (12/30/09 11:56 AM)
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#1336957 - 12/30/09 11:05 AM
Re: Call for a new Forum
[Re: Orange Soda King]
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500 Post Club Member
Registered: 09/11/06
Posts: 937
Loc: Dallas, TX, US
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I fear that a separate e-cital forum will have just about the same visibility as the member recordings forum . There is a member recordings forum? Is it the moderator who creates subforums? Are the subforums the topics that remain 'stuck' to the top of the page? If we have too many of them up there they will eventually occlude all the rest. Steven - I guess I'm confused - the nice thing about having threads is that you can easily look them over to see who has dropped out, who signed up for what, who has changed their submission - would the idea be to have all e-citals included in a single thread?
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#1336959 - 12/30/09 11:07 AM
Re: Call for a new Forum
[Re: Schubertian]
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Registered: 09/11/06
Posts: 937
Loc: Dallas, TX, US
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Oh - how about that - I never noticed them before?
Yes, it seems like a good idea - assuming everyone else here is more observant than I am.
I still think separate threads would be the only way to manage the process.
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#1336976 - 12/30/09 11:22 AM
Re: Call for a new Forum
[Re: Schubertian]
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Registered: 01/02/03
Posts: 4654
Loc: New York City
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SHould we have a separate forum dedicated to these e-citals? We have four going on at the same time now, and they live on this forum and the ABF. It is hard to keep up with their rises and falls from the front page and if you are not in on it before the topic slides down the front page and into oblivion you don't know about it. I don't think it's a bad idea. These threads can get lost easily. If there was a subforum, they could stay there and the person initiating the E-cital ( jazzyprof, for example, for the Beetoven one) could bump a reminder thread in the main forum when necessary. I started a thread in the Mods. forum to discuss this.
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#1336979 - 12/30/09 11:25 AM
Re: Call for a new Forum
[Re: Schubertian]
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Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Registered: 11/27/02
Posts: 12483
Loc: Iowa City, IA
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Moderators cannot create subforums. (At least I can't.)
The subforum ideas (e-recitals and members' recordings) are currently being discussed in the moderators' forum.
Also, keep in mind there's a "Watched Topic" feature that allows people to select and keep certain threads in a list. Near the top of the screen, select "Add Topic to your Watched Topics List" from the "Topic Options" drop-down menu.
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#1336983 - 12/30/09 11:28 AM
Re: Call for a new Forum
[Re: Phlebas]
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Registered: 01/01/09
Posts: 844
Loc: Ohio
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I say +1 for both a Member Recordings and e-citals sub-forums.
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#1337005 - 12/30/09 11:48 AM
Re: Call for a new Forum
[Re: Schubertian]
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2000 Post Club Member
Registered: 12/12/06
Posts: 2367
Loc: Denver, CO
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You know, there is a forum for new forum suggestions: http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/forums/22/1/New%20Feature%20Requests.htmlYet another forum not everyone knows about. It seems like Frank monitors this forum and looks for suggestions that draw a lot of support, and possibly implements them. You could also look at this as another place where suggestions get made and then ignored / discarded. (depends on whether you are a half empty or half full kind of person.) Personally, I think a bit of reorganization would be a good thing, specially with up to 6 recitals going on at the same time. Rich
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#1337026 - 12/30/09 12:18 PM
Re: Call for a new Forum
[Re: jazzyprof]
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Registered: 05/22/08
Posts: 1705
Loc: USA
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I fear that a separate e-cital forum will have just about the same visibility as the member recordings forum. +1 Sub forum might work.
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#1337027 - 12/30/09 12:19 PM
Re: Call for a new Forum
[Re: DragonPianoPlayer]
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Registered: 10/13/08
Posts: 319
Loc: Austin TX
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I was completely unaware about the member recording forum duh I would like possibly a new forum for just such recordings that is a little easier to monitor. I learn a lot from what the members say, comment, argue, discuss etc. Being able to go to an easy central location and listen and read comments, I would find such a forum an added attraction for its members. Who knows, I might venture beyond my one and only Mozart entry.....................Jim
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#1337028 - 12/30/09 12:21 PM
Re: Call for a new Forum
[Re: jtattoo]
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Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 14764
Loc: New York
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I was completely unaware about the member recording forum...... I trust that these mentions are not going unnoticed.  On another thread it was discussed copiously that so many people mostly ignore that section even if they know about it -- because it's so far down on the main page.
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#1337045 - 12/30/09 12:34 PM
Re: Call for a new Forum
[Re: Mark_C]
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Registered: 01/01/09
Posts: 844
Loc: Ohio
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I was completely unaware about the member recording forum...... I trust that these mentions are not going unnoticed.  On another thread it was discussed copiously that so many people mostly ignore that section even if they know about it -- because it's so far down on the main page. This is true.
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#1337249 - 12/30/09 05:10 PM
Re: Call for a new Forum
[Re: survivordan]
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Registered: 09/16/06
Posts: 4217
Loc: Santa Fe, NM
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So if the subforum for e-citals is created here, how does the ABF know about it? A couple of them were actually started in the ABF -
Cathy
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#1337334 - 12/30/09 06:54 PM
Re: Call for a new Forum
[Re: jotur]
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That's one of the things being discussed in the moderators' forum.
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#1337335 - 12/30/09 06:55 PM
Re: Call for a new Forum
[Re: Kreisler]
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Registered: 09/16/06
Posts: 4217
Loc: Santa Fe, NM
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You guys are way ahead of me  Cathy
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#1337397 - 12/30/09 08:39 PM
Re: Call for a new Forum
[Re: jotur]
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5000 Post Club Member
Registered: 11/23/07
Posts: 5429
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So if the subforum for e-citals is created here, how does the ABF know about it? A couple of them were actually started in the ABF -
It would make sense (to me, anyway) for PC and ABF to each have their own e-cital and/or members' recordings subforums. And when there is an e-cital, the organizer can post a message about it alerting the members in the other forum, much as we in PC have been notified of the Chopin e-citals in the past. Seems workable to me.
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#1337400 - 12/30/09 08:44 PM
Re: Call for a new Forum
[Re: wr]
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I think that if it is possible, an alias to Member's Recordings should be up by the FAQ's here, as well as in Adult Beginners. That would keep it simple.
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#1337418 - 12/30/09 09:12 PM
Re: Call for a new Forum
[Re: BDB]
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Registered: 09/18/08
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Great idea, BDB. I had thought of it myself.
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#1337612 - 12/31/09 02:26 AM
Re: Call for a new Forum
[Re: BDB]
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Registered: 11/23/07
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I think that if it is possible, an alias to Member's Recordings should be up by the FAQ's here, as well as in Adult Beginners. That would keep it simple. It would keep it simple in a way, but on the other hand, it would mean that we would inflict our recordings on other forums than the one in which we usually post. My preference is still separate recording subforums for each forum that wants one. We know our own forum as an audience better, too, which I think is helpful when reading comments.
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#1337873 - 12/31/09 01:11 PM
Re: Call for a new Forum
[Re: wr]
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Registered: 08/10/05
Posts: 16995
Loc: Lexington, Kentucky
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My preference is still separate recording subforums for each forum that wants one. We know our own forum as an audience better, too, which I think is helpful when reading comments. That would be my preference, too. The recitals are such an important part of AB forum that I would want to see it remain an integral part and not move them to a separate forum. We could always have a thread with a link to the relevant e-cital in other forums for cross-referencing purposes. I'm always a big fan of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it;" and it seems to me that AB forum ain't broke... the piano bars and recitals are working well there in their current incarnations. I personally would recommend starting a member's recordings subforum here in pianist corner (and I still think starting a monthly "concert hall" thread is an excellent idea), and then I'd want to sit and watch how it goes for a month or so before adopting it in AB forum. jmho.
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#1337881 - 12/31/09 01:18 PM
Re: Call for a new Forum
[Re: Monica K.]
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2000 Post Club Member
Registered: 11/30/04
Posts: 2357
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I'm always a big fan of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it;" and it seems to me that AB forum ain't broke... the piano bars and recitals are working well there in their current incarnations. I personally would recommend starting a member's recordings subforum here in pianist corner (and I still think starting a monthly "concert hall" thread is an excellent idea), and then I'd want to sit and watch how it goes for a month or so before adopting it in AB forum.
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#1337889 - 12/31/09 01:32 PM
Re: Call for a new Forum
[Re: jazzyprof]
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Registered: 09/16/06
Posts: 4217
Loc: Santa Fe, NM
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Boy, do I agree. The ABF has its own share-our-music characteristic, and home-grown ways of doing so that fit us to a T. That's why I was concerned that if the e-citals were only in a sub-forum here that suddenly the ABFers, who started recitals, including the e-cital ideas for Chopin, would be co-opted, and our participation and approach and share-the-music perspective would be lost in a "let's all critique each other to the ends of the earth" perspective  And I don't want to see that happen, even tho I don't participate in the classical recitals. But I *do* listen. Cathy
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#1337957 - 12/31/09 03:11 PM
Re: Call for a new Forum
[Re: jotur]
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500 Post Club Member
Registered: 09/11/06
Posts: 937
Loc: Dallas, TX, US
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Monica - what you are saying makes sense and I - as an electrical engineer - am a strong advocate of the "if it aint broke' theory
May only feeling is that the Topic for the e-cital has a tendency to get lost - perhaps having the originator bump it once a month is all that is needed - I have never noticed the sub-forum feature or the member recording forum - I always so to 'Our most popular' - the low-tech solution of an occasional bump may be all that is needed to keep the thing spinning - and then it will be localized
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