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#1340062 - 01/03/10 05:44 PM Yamaha P85 or P155 what's the difference??
denverdave66 Offline
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Is the P155 worth paying double the price of the P85? What are the main differences?

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#1340078 - 01/03/10 06:07 PM Re: Yamaha P85 or P155 what's the difference?? [Re: denverdave66]
Michael Darnton Offline
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The 85 has single-level sampling compared with the 155's four levels. That means no matter how hard you pound, you get the same tonal quality. That was enough for me to choose a Casio PX130.
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#1340082 - 01/03/10 06:09 PM Re: Yamaha P85 or P155 what's the difference?? [Re: denverdave66]
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You could go to the yamaha site and check out the differences in specs. One thing is the weighted action, upgrade in the 155 of course and the other is the sampling. Another is the polyphony. Another is the watts per channel. I don't look at it so much as if the p155 is worth twice the price but more the other way around. i like the upgraded features of the p155 and the question for me than would be would i like to spend half that for a model with less features and specs than that? It's maybe a bit like if i like a certain kind of coffee and says it's 50 cents a cup if i make it myself that is. Then there's a cheaper coffee that would only cost 25 cents a cup....so which is more important; saving the money or getting the kind of coffee i like. So it may not be worth twice the price if you're making the money the precedent
but if you're looking for the piano you most would like it makes the cost less relevant within your overall budget of course.

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#1340121 - 01/03/10 07:28 PM Re: Yamaha P85 or P155 what's the difference?? [Re: limavady]
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I am not a technician but I guess that there should be other factors that contribute to the piano sound quality, other than the number of sample levels.
My Yamaha YDP 223 has one sample level, but it sounds better than the YDP 140 and 160 that have three sample levels.

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#1340124 - 01/03/10 07:34 PM Re: Yamaha P85 or P155 what's the difference?? [Re: gerardo1000]
Michael Darnton Offline
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Sure, different instruments sound different, depending on what they're based on and how well they're executed. It's not just number of sample levels, of course, but if you're looking for replicating a real piano experience, and learning about the tonal qualities of a piano, I think that's one necessary aspect.

It's something a lot of people may never notice, and not miss because they never considered it, but not having it is having one door of possibilities permanently closed. I don't know how it is with pianists, but in violins varying tonal qualities is one of the last things people learn to appreciate, and a lot are satisfied with one good sound rather than having expressive opportunities.


Edited by Michael Darnton (01/03/10 07:37 PM)
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#1340160 - 01/03/10 08:55 PM Re: Yamaha P85 or P155 what's the difference?? [Re: denverdave66]
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Originally Posted By: denverdave66
Is the P155 worth paying double the price of the P85?

Yes, absolutely. The P85 only wins in the portability category - in every other it really, really loses.
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#1340343 - 01/04/10 05:29 AM Re: Yamaha P85 or P155 what's the difference?? [Re: denverdave66]
Pianisti Offline
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Originally Posted By: denverdave66
Is the P155 worth paying double the price of the P85? What are the main differences?


How much money do you have and do you want to spend it on a DP? What do you need - do you need a P155?

At first, I had a Yamaha in my mind when shopping for a DP, but ended up buying a Casio PX-130 like Michael Darnton there. I thought that P-155 was definitely not worth its price, and that P-85 did not impress me with its action compared to the Casio. I only shopped for the feel of the action, and connectivity to a computer (to gain access to better sounds). But try them out in reality and find out what do you really need and what are the options.

I support Yamaha pianos - all of them are great which I have played, but I think they have included a brand margin in the price of their DPs.


Edited by Pianisti (01/04/10 05:29 AM)
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#1340379 - 01/04/10 08:38 AM Re: Yamaha P85 or P155 what's the difference?? [Re: Pianisti]
Martin C. Doege Offline
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Originally Posted By: Pianisti
and that P-85 did not impress me with its action compared to the Casio.


I think GHS is actually better than GH if you use the other P-85 patches a lot, e.g. harpsichord or church organ. You don't want the keys to feel very heavy in that case. The P-155 keys are way too heavy for a harpsichord IMHO. The more piano-like an instrument, the less believable it is as something else, obviously.

Originally Posted By: Pianisti

I think they [Yamaha] have included a brand margin in the price of their DPs.


Yes, but as opposed to Casio many people are quite willing to pay a little extra for a Yamaha based on their good reputation. Casio couldn't include a brand margin at this time--they are the runner-up in the consumer DP market and there have been too many quality control issues with their products recently, like the depressed keys...
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#1340448 - 01/04/10 10:59 AM Re: Yamaha P85 or P155 what's the difference?? [Re: Martin C. Doege]
Pianisti Offline
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Originally Posted By: Martin C. Doege

I think GHS is actually better than GH if you use the other P-85 patches a lot, e.g. harpsichord or church organ.


For sure - it really depends what you are going to use it for. E.g. I don't think that the Casio X30 series would be a good choice for a kid just starting to learn to play piano - too stiff and heavy although realistic piano feel compared to P-85.

Originally Posted By: Martin C. Doege

Yes, but as opposed to Casio many people are quite willing to pay a little extra for a Yamaha based on their good reputation.


Probably there are people who pay extra on a Casio as well - it's called "a rip-off". When the same happens with a Yamaha - it's called "a good deal". Casio is a calculator etc silly little gadgets manufacturer. It's not sexy like Yamaha - the piano maker so it is acceptable to pay a little extra on a Yamaha. Brand loyal customers really are the best customers a company can have as they sell the product for free even if it has some defects. Just ask Apple.

Originally Posted By: Martin C. Doege

Casio couldn't include a brand margin at this time--they are the runner-up in the consumer DP market and there have been too many quality control issues with their products recently, like the depressed keys...


I still haven't found any numbers or figures comparing those quality issues between DP manufacturers so can't really make any conclusions about comparative quality. Same people here make the same remarks over and over again about what they might have heard or experienced. Someone reported a noisy action on a Yamaha YPG 635 (GHS) a while back, but I am quite sure none of those people eager to report quality issues will remember that.
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#1340465 - 01/04/10 11:27 AM Re: Yamaha P85 or P155 what's the difference?? [Re: Pianisti]
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Hey guys -
I am looking for my first digital piano, as a temporary replacement to an acoustic for the next couple of years since I will be moving around in apartments and stuff. I have been playing for over 10 years, recreationally now (game music, chopin's ballades at the moment) and I'm trying to decide between these two. I wish price could be no object but unfortunately it is. I went to guitar center to play on these two models, but could only play on the p155. The p85 was on a top shelf and I asked if it could be taken down and put on a stand but the GC worker said she couldn't do that. Anyway, I loved the p155 - it was a bit noisy in there but from what I could tell it sounded great, and it felt great. To me, it still felt very different from an acoustic, but it was the closest possible from the models I played around with. Is there a huge difference in feel/action, and sound? The only sound I am interested in is the main piano sounds. Thanks in advance!

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#1340470 - 01/04/10 11:39 AM Re: Yamaha P85 or P155 what's the difference?? [Re: Pianisti]
Martin C. Doege Offline
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Originally Posted By: Pianisti

Probably there are people who pay extra on a Casio as well - it's called "a rip-off". When the same happens with a Yamaha - it's called "a good deal". Casio is a calculator etc silly little gadgets manufacturer. It's not sexy like Yamaha - the piano maker so it is acceptable to pay a little extra on a Yamaha. Brand loyal customers really are the best customers a company can have as they sell the product for free even if it has some defects. Just ask Apple.


I think in general the level of fanboyism for Yamaha is thankfully not as high as it has been for Apple. If a Yamaha product falls through, it rarely seems to be a case of bad design or QC issues, more because of usability, features, or a perceived high price. Even Apple products have often had design flaws and suffered from a general cheapening of materials.

So if you buy Yamaha and pony up a little more, I suppose it's because you hope that the build quality is good and nothing will fall off after a month of playing. smile

Originally Posted By: Pianisti

I still haven't found any numbers or figures comparing those quality issues between DP manufacturers so can't really make any conclusions about comparative quality. Same people here make the same remarks over and over again about what they might have heard or experienced. Someone reported a noisy action on a Yamaha YPG 635 (GHS) a while back, but I am quite sure none of those people eager to report quality issues will remember that.


GHS is definitely noisier than GH. I think GH has more padding and shock-absorbing components. The benefit of GHS is that instruments can be relatively light however, although the YPG is hardly light, so perhaps it doesn't make a lot of sense they are using it there.

But this depressed key problem with the Casio PX-130/330 is pretty strange. It's something that should be noticed in the factory, unless the defect occurs during shipping. It's a very obvious flaw--you don't even have to plug the DP in to notice it--so I find it puzzling so many defective instruments seem to reach customers.
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#1340471 - 01/04/10 11:40 AM Re: Yamaha P85 or P155 what's the difference?? [Re: chopstxnrice]
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Yes, Pianist, my PX130 was fine out of the box. If there really was a serious problem, dealers wouldn't sell them, since they're the ones who would be bothered with returns.
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#1340488 - 01/04/10 11:59 AM Re: Yamaha P85 or P155 what's the difference?? [Re: chopstxnrice]
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Registered: 12/28/08
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Loc: Redondo Beach, California
Originally Posted By: chopstxnrice
... I went to guitar center to play on these two models, but could only play on the p155. The p85 was on a top shelf and I asked if it could be taken down and put on a stand but the GC worker said she couldn't do that. Anyway, I loved the p155 - it was a bit noisy in there but from what I could tell it sounded great, and it felt great. To me, it still felt very different from an acoustic, but it was the closest possible from the models I played around with. Is there a huge difference in feel/action, and sound?...


The key action on the P85 is a lot lighter than on the P85 and the sound is slightly different. On the P85 the notes play louder when you strike the keys harder but on the P155 you can also hear the timbre change. If you listen carefuly on the P155 you can here the dampers lower onto the string when you raise the key.

Is it worth double the price? Well that seems to be the way digital pianos are priced, each increment in quality doubles the price. I liked the Roland RD700GX. I thought it had even better key action than the P155 but the price was $2,500. Roland's next step up, the v-piano costs $6K

The way to think about digital pianos is not to look for one that is most like an acoustic piano, instead look for one that is expressive and has a nice tone. Shop for it the same way you shop for an acoustic piano.

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#1340493 - 01/04/10 12:11 PM Re: Yamaha P85 or P155 what's the difference?? [Re: Pianisti]
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Originally Posted By: Pianisti
...Someone reported a noisy action on a Yamaha YPG 635 (GHS) a while back, but I am quite sure none of those people eager to report quality issues will remember that.


Not quite sure the point being made above. But as for keyboard noise withthe GHS. If you look at Yamaha's own web site they have a short video that expains the difference between key actions. and they say very clearly that the GH make less key-noise than GHS. Kind on an statement (from Yamaha) that GHS keys make noise.

It's in the Flash animation, the blue square "video comparison" on the left side of this page. After it opens click either of the four buttons on the right They will play a short vide describing the various key actions. But note the they use the term "GHE" which is now "GH", the video is a year old.
http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/ContentDetail/ModelSeriesDetail.html?CNTID=565658

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