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#1343668 - 01/08/10 02:40 AM same note in both clefs simultaneously
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in my piano arrangement of mozart's bassoon concerto mvmt. 3 rondo (k.191) there is a passage that reoccurs in which the very same D (natural) is being held in the right hand as part of the Bb chord for a half-tone, and during this, in the left hand, it says to play a Bb octave then move up to D. The very D i'm supposed to hold in the right hand chord.

I don't know if this is a mistake or what, but like i said it occurs a few times during the piece, and i believe i've seen a piece of sheet music in the past with the same thing going on. So my question is, in scenarios like this one, and not just for this one, but in situations where this occurs, what should I do?

is there a rule that I'm missing? How do I correctly play this?

THANKS!!!

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#1343669 - 01/08/10 02:42 AM Re: same note in both clefs simultaneously [Re: Skywalker]
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No, there isn't a rule you're missing, it's more like 'what is used to' between different eras. This also appears in Bach, if not mistaken, for the simple reason of having a counterpoint melody reaching the same note with another one.

In the case you're describing you need to play all Ds, regardless if it's been held by a chord on the left hand. The left hand will lift the D, and let the right hand play it. This the Bb chord will remain in the ears of the audience 'intact'!
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#1343671 - 01/08/10 02:49 AM Re: same note in both clefs simultaneously [Re: Skywalker]
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It's not uncommon, both in original piano pieces and in arrangements.

The usual solution is one of these two things, both of which require that you let go of the D in the R.H. Then, either re-strike it with the R.H. (and then "re-hold" it) even though it's written to be played by the L.H.; or play it with the L.H. and then probably don't worry about re-holding it. Sometimes in passages like this you'll have the PEDAL down, and that will take care of sustaining the D and so it won't matter if you don't "re-hold" it.

Another solution, which many people will think is just wrong but it isn't necessarily, is to NOT play the D with the right hand in the first place, since it's part of a CHORD and sometimes you can get away fine with just leaving it out. I've sometimes done that, and nobody ever knew the difference. ha

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#1343674 - 01/08/10 02:50 AM Re: same note in both clefs simultaneously [Re: Nikolas]
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so basically i should allow one hand to "receive" the note before the other hand let's go? rather than playing it twice?

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#1343675 - 01/08/10 02:50 AM Re: same note in both clefs simultaneously [Re: Nikolas]
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(As you can see from my post, I disagree a little bit.)
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#1343676 - 01/08/10 02:52 AM Re: same note in both clefs simultaneously [Re: Skywalker]
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You misunderstood him -- he meant play it twice, as I also did, unless you decide it works to just leave it out from the chord in the R.H., in which case you only strike it once (i.e. the "second" time).

In arrangements like what you're talking about, very often it works fine to just leave it out. I mean, it's just an "arrangement" anyway, and you can re-arrange the arrangement. smile
In arrangements, it's basically whatever you can do and whatever sounds OK.
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#1343679 - 01/08/10 03:05 AM Re: same note in both clefs simultaneously [Re: Mark_C]
Skywalker Offline
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thank you, that's good advice...i'll practice it a few times each way and see what works best.

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#1343691 - 01/08/10 03:38 AM Re: same note in both clefs simultaneously [Re: Skywalker]
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It really depends on where the second D belong. If it belongs to an important melody, then it would be wise not to omit it, otherwise it should be fine. I will admit that the very few times I accompanied another pianist, I did add a few parts, and ommited others, since I thought my arrangement was better *hehe*... <- here's me thinking I'm the greatest! laugh Enjoy me! laugh
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#1343692 - 01/08/10 03:41 AM Re: same note in both clefs simultaneously [Re: Nikolas]
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I will admit that the very few times I accompanied another pianist, I did add a few parts, and ommited others, since I thought my arrangement was better *hehe*... <- here's me thinking I'm the greatest! laugh Enjoy me! laugh

that's what composers do; they can't help themselves smile
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#1343695 - 01/08/10 03:54 AM Re: same note in both clefs simultaneously [Re: Canonie]
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I know! frown :P
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