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#1344280 - 01/08/10 08:53 PM So, what did you do today?
Sam Casey Offline
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I did 5 today. First was Hamilton in a country church. They remembered to leave the heat on but forgot to unlock the door. Customers for 20+ years so I picked the lock. (Had to do this before.)

Next was Acoustigrande, Chickering Bros, 6' grand, circa 1920. Called a few weeks ago and told me 15 years ago I helped him flip it over as it was laying upside down on it's top and did I still charge $50? "I did what?? and ah, no a bit more than $50." Crazy old piano was just a few beats off the fork.

Next was Yamaha console for a elementary school librarian.
Next was Aeolian console for a retired teacher.
Next was a Pramberger console and the customers and I spent a least 30 minutes talking fishing. It's a good life.

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#1344317 - 01/08/10 09:40 PM Re: So, what did you do today? [Re: Sam Casey]
Jerry Groot RPT Offline
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Nothing. It snowed a lot here last night. My windshield wiper squirter thingy decided it would no longer squirt. (Yes, I filled it up and no, it is not frozen. I think the squirter thingy's motor is busted.) With all of the salt and wet snow on the roads, you couldn't drive for more than a mile without it. I had to cancel my day.

Your story Sam, reminds me of the time I too, picked a lock in a church. Not that it was the first time or anything... The janitor came 45 minutes later and asked me how I got in. I replied with a simple, well, I thought you left the door open for me? He said, you mean, you got in through an open door? Uh huh, I said. (Well? I did! After I opened it!) He gave me very puzzled look and left. I could hear this.... Open, click, click click, SLAM. Open, click, click click, SLAM. Open, click, click click, SLAM. For about 10 minutes he did that. He came back in finally and said, that is very strange. The door locks every single time! I had ALL I could do to keep from busting out laughing. As it was, I was laughing while he was slamming the door continuously.
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#1344332 - 01/08/10 09:56 PM Re: So, what did you do today? [Re: Jerry Groot RPT]
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With all the lockpicking, I suppose I have to expand my toolbox here... smile

Today no tuning, hard disk recovery. Power is very unreliable here in Finland right now because of the cold weather, and that messes with electronics.

-29 degrees celsius this morning (-20 F) :-O
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#1344339 - 01/08/10 10:13 PM Re: So, what did you do today? [Re: Jerry Groot RPT]
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You should have said, "I was planning on stealing one of these nice pews until you showed up".

No but seriously. I heard about someone who was going to tune a regular customer church piano and the door was usually a little sticky. It had to be pushed hard whenever he went in. Apparently, this time the door wasn't just stuck, but locked.
One push, two push, three really hard shoulder ram and down comes the entire door jam and all as he goes tumbling into the church.

I don't think the custodian found much humor in that one either.

I only tuned three today. First one was a new customer with a Kawai K-6 and then two older consoles. Replaced two broken strings on the last one that were mysteriously missing from the piano.

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#1344343 - 01/08/10 10:19 PM Re: So, what did you do today? [Re: JBE]
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In all churches, I pull on the door to make sure that it locks behind me. In this one church, the door was, shall we say, unsafe? I gave it a yank and the whole dang handle pulled off the glass part of the door! Glass everywhere.
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#1344344 - 01/08/10 10:20 PM Re: So, what did you do today? [Re: pppat]
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Jerry reminds me of a story a long time ago...

Church tuning in July, hot as blazes, side door on the west, full sunlight supposed to left open for me. Lady says, "it might be a little stiff. If it don't open, just give it a push." So, of course, door won't open. So I gives it a little push. No good. Church a ways off the road, don't know when I'm back again, so I gives it another push. OK, I should have quit then. But I gave it another GOOD shove and BANG, the whole door, door frame, trim falls into the church. ooopps...

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#1344346 - 01/08/10 10:22 PM Re: So, what did you do today? [Re: pppat]
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Shoveled snow, got the snow blower working... Roads were clear, so the drive in went fine.

Glued a guitar, adjusted a flute and an alto saxophone. Flushed out a tuba (oh, will the fun ever end?) Unjammed the soft pedal on a practice room Wurli. Printed out a bunch of combinations because students can't seem to remember them after winter break.


After school I tuned a Yamaha upright in an elementary school that I tuned last year when it was 50%+ humidity. Today my little meter read 19%...

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#1344350 - 01/08/10 10:25 PM Re: So, what did you do today? [Re: Sam Casey]
JBE Offline
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...and who says piano tuners are wimps.

Sorry Sam. I may have just repeated your story unknowingly. It's a funny one.

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#1344389 - 01/08/10 11:17 PM Re: So, what did you do today? [Re: JBE]
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No problem Bryon. It was my first and last, (hopefully) crash down of a door in pursuit of a piano tuning. There's dedication for you. As I remember the piano was terrible and it was Wednesday afternoon. After I got in I called the pianist. "Oh I forgot to unlock it! How did you get it?" She rushed down to the church. By then I had leaned the door against the wall and gathered up the pieces of trim and was half way thru the tuning. The church began to fill and deacons were patching the door. Everybody that came had the same question, "What happened to the door." The pianist fielded the questions as I pounded away. Talk about concentrating under duress...

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#1344396 - 01/08/10 11:28 PM Re: So, what did you do today? [Re: Sam Casey]
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Tried all day to avoid sanding trough a new finish and ate the black powdery stuff that got around the dust mask.
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#1344448 - 01/09/10 01:34 AM Re: So, what did you do today? [Re: Gene Nelson]
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Tuned a Kawai 48" upright, a Seiler upright, did 4 hours worth of lubricating, key easing and leveling, hammer filing, flange repinning (and rebushing one....:-) on a 25 year old Steinway grand in a customer's home, then did a brief trouble shooting call on new Pramberger.

Yesterday I punched leads out of the fronts of the black keys on a Bergman upright to allow the action to function.

It's always interesting, one big reason I love this job.
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#1344453 - 01/09/10 01:41 AM Re: So, what did you do today? [Re: Dave Stahl]
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Sounds great Dave. I like your style. thumb

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#1344513 - 01/09/10 04:33 AM Re: So, what did you do today? [Re: Gene Nelson]
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Originally Posted By: Gene Nelson
Tried all day to avoid sanding trough a new finish and ate the black powdery stuff that got around the dust mask.


Hello, did you try those ones :

http://www.mirka.com/products_abranethd?

they also sell blocks with aspiration hose for hand sanding, very useful in customer's home.

I water/sand the polyester or PU finishes as much as possible.




Edited by Kamin (01/09/10 04:38 AM)
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#1344606 - 01/09/10 09:27 AM Re: So, what did you do today? [Re: Olek]
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Changed the belts on the snow thrower - mouse damage. I wonder if putting an old piano in the shed would keep the mice out of the yard equipment.
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#1344620 - 01/09/10 09:54 AM Re: So, what did you do today? [Re: UnrightTooner]
Thomson Lawrie Offline
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Just 3 today (Friday after all), a M&H grand, a Heintzman grand and a Heintzman console that was down the bottom of a hill at the end of a long country road. I found myself wishing I had put on snow tires as I descended the hill but I made it back out OK.

Sam's story about the church door reminds me of a story one of our chapter members tells about arriving at a customers house where the customer wasn't home. He thought he remembered being told to just walk in if they weren't there. The side door was a little sticky but it opened. He walked all through the house but he couldn't find a piano. On his way out the side door he met the owner walking in. He was an off duty cop. Wrong house, wrong street. The police were called.

Although he can see well enough to get around, this tuner is sight impaired and takes cabs from one appointment to another. He got a ride in a police car to the right address. Same street name, one is a court and the other is a crescent. Burglary tools, piano tolls, they all look the same don't they?


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#1344645 - 01/09/10 10:52 AM Re: So, what did you do today? [Re: Thomson Lawrie]
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We seldom have weather issues in the SF area. The occasional hard rain, and snow at sea level every 30-40 years or so. We do, however, have the occasional earthquake. I was in the east San Jose Foothills on Thursday--pulling lead out of the aforementioned Bergmann--when the house started to creak, then shook madly for about 5 seconds. Nothing came down but for the notion that I might be standing on stable ground... The epicenter was 10 miles away from where I was in the same mountain range
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#1344671 - 01/09/10 11:23 AM Re: So, what did you do today? [Re: Dave Stahl]
Sam Casey Offline
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Now there is one business hazard I never thought off: Earthquakes. Geezze. Hate to be voicing when that happened. Stab myself to pieces.

Today is AM appointment setting for the week and then some time off and honeydoos. Make it a rule not to tune on weekends. Sacred ground for me and the Mrs. If the weather is decent I'll work in my shop but it's been in the single digits for a week.

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#1344675 - 01/09/10 11:25 AM Re: So, what did you do today? [Re: Dave Stahl]
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We seldom have weather issues in the SF area.

6" snow in San Francisco winter of 58

Kamin,
Thanks for the link, I am familiar with Mirka products. At the present I am using 3M Gold Hook It 1 and 2.
Sanding a water base Enduro product.
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#1344704 - 01/09/10 12:05 PM Re: So, what did you do today? [Re: Gene Nelson]
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Well, I'm actually taking a Saturday off, but yesterday. . .

Warmed up the car (-17*F), drove 90 miles to tune Baldwin L for a piano teacher, her friend's Baldwin console (40c. flat), the seriously beat up Yamaha G2 at the high school, and the Schimmel 256 at the church.

Couldn't figure out why the third octave was 20c. flat on the Schimmel, until crawling underneath to discover someone had yanked out the humidifier plug from the D-Ch humidistat. The humidity measured less than 6%RH. I hope it at least stays in tune through Sunday services after plugging back in.

Sam, thanks for the laugh! I actually did send voicing needles through my thumbnail once (not earthquake related).
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#1344804 - 01/09/10 01:55 PM Re: So, what did you do today? [Re: SuperTuner]
Sam Casey Offline
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Like the way water base sands. Comes off like a fine talc. Gene do u use a circle sander? I use a 5" hook and loop air sander rigged to a small vac via a long 1 1/4 in flexible tube. Gets most of the dust. You can get down to 600-800 grit and do a hand rub satin or shoot another thinned semi-gloss coat and call it good as per Yamaha verticals. I've been using Target Coatings.

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#1344807 - 01/09/10 01:57 PM Re: So, what did you do today? [Re: Sam Casey]
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Elizabeth I feel Able should put out a series of blood red hammers. Save us some trouble. smile

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#1344812 - 01/09/10 02:00 PM Re: So, what did you do today? [Re: Sam Casey]
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Yesterday I went shopping for groceries, and to a club meeting. The market was up, so I made enough that I did not need to tune pianos.
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#1344819 - 01/09/10 02:08 PM Re: So, what did you do today? [Re: Sam Casey]
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Sam,
This project I use the 6" pneumatic random orbit as well as many different sanding blocks. This Enduro finish is black with no clear.
Previous project I used a 6" random orbit that has a vacuum attach followed by many hand block sanders.
I have just started to use Target clear acrylic I think it is EM 6000 or something like that.
Like it better than Enduro - sands easier too.
The clear is more clear compared with clear Enduro - resembles nitro lacquer. Very easy to work with and there is almost no layering. Very nice product.
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#1344915 - 01/09/10 04:11 PM Re: So, what did you do today? [Re: Gene Nelson]
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Gene, yes Target is nice stuff. Have u used the spray on filler? It's tricky. Dries very hard. Haven't got the hang of it yet but I like the idea.

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#1344966 - 01/09/10 05:05 PM Re: So, what did you do today? [Re: Sam Casey]
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Originally Posted By: Kamin

Hello, did you try those ones :

http://www.mirka.com/products_abranethd?

they also sell blocks with aspiration hose for hand sanding, very useful in customer's home.


Originally Posted By: Gene

Kamin,
Thanks for the link, I am familiar with Mirka products. At the present I am using 3M Gold Hook It 1 and 2.


Funny - Mirka is a VERY local brand here in the middle part of Finland... the headquarters is just 15 miles away. I know their CEO personally. Didn't realize it was a world-wide brand. Small world... smile
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#1345013 - 01/09/10 05:52 PM Re: So, what did you do today? [Re: pppat]
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Loc: France
Originally Posted By: pppat
Originally Posted By: Kamin

Hello, did you try those ones :

http://www.mirka.com/products_abranethd?

they also sell blocks with aspiration hose for hand sanding, very useful in customer's home.


Originally Posted By: Gene

Kamin,
Thanks for the link, I am familiar with Mirka products. At the present I am using 3M Gold Hook It 1 and 2.


Funny - Mirka is a VERY local brand here in the middle part of Finland... the headquarters is just 15 miles away. I know their CEO personally. Didn't realize it was a world-wide brand. Small world... smile



Well the abrasives they make on a totally open support, (Abranet, I guess) are really second to none when it comes to aspiration, and also they dont clog with the dust so they last way longer than even the special ones (white sheet, auto lubed) for lacquer sanding. Most furniture workers use them there actually (and piano technicians too).

Gene and Sam I am afraid I dont know what are the lacquers (?) you talk about.
What are the products ? or akryl urethane as automotive painters use now ? or something else ? solvent based or catalyse ?) i did not read they where Akryl water based.
I dont know if this is different from Akryl urethane , do you need a heated room ?.

For a help on yamaha polyester (black or transparent) you can use the ones that are sold to repair cars (fiber glass + polyester). Thy are cheap, and can be even used with a brush (but of course sanded ans surfaced afterthat. only horizontal surfaces or they'll flow, but it helps sometime.
The other polyesters (Koenig, for instance) sold for piano and furniture repairs content parafin, so they dont drip as much and can be used more thick, but you have to wash the parafin from the surface with acetone before adding more.

I was told recently that the polyester is often only a primer coat on pianos actually, then a clear high gloss cot is used which is urethane (2 composites catalyser and product)

before then I guess that the last coat was ultra gloss polyester and it is yet the case on some brands)




Edited by Kamin (01/09/10 05:59 PM)
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#1345084 - 01/09/10 06:52 PM Re: So, what did you do today? [Re: Olek]
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Issac: www.targetcoatings.com Target Coatings. They are water-based products for furniture finishing. No polyester. I'd like to fiddle with polyester spraying. Saw it done at M&H but can't find a spray equipment supplier. Haven't been back to prowl about their shop and check labels.

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#1345108 - 01/09/10 07:14 PM Re: So, what did you do today? [Re: UnrightTooner]
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Originally Posted By: UnrightTooner
Changed the belts on the snow thrower - mouse damage. I wonder if putting an old piano in the shed would keep the mice out of the yard equipment.


I usually keep paper toweling soaked in peppermint oil in the machinery to keep the mice out. 'Forgot it this year in the snow blower, and had to change two belts. Grrrrrr!
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#1345124 - 01/09/10 07:31 PM Re: So, what did you do today? [Re: David Jenson]
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Thanks Sam, I'll have a look.
I forget to say that the Mirka "ABRANET" is second to none for hammer shaping. (grit 80- 120- 250)

no clogging ! stay fresh !

It is sold in long strips for the long sanding blocks.

You more or less can see what you are doing thru the sanding "paper" .

Better have your fingers backed with some masking tape so not to hurt them (and it is also a good way to keep the hammers neat and white)

really worth the try.

That one, but I have longer strips I cut to 5 cm large +-







Edited by Kamin (01/09/10 07:37 PM)
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#1345148 - 01/09/10 07:44 PM Re: So, what did you do today? [Re: Sam Casey]
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Originally Posted By: Sam Casey
Issac: www.targetcoatings.com Target Coatings. They are water-based products for furniture finishing. No polyester. I'd like to fiddle with polyester spraying. Saw it done at M&H but can't find a spray equipment supplier. Haven't been back to prowl about their shop and check labels.


Thanks, I dont spray polyester myself very special equipment, it may be out of dust for a long time, I guess a heated spray room is necessary. (the thinner the coat the longer it takes to catalyse) but I repair polyester with 2composant (resin and hardener). With time I begin to do that correctly , while it is easy to have bubbles or miss the good mix...

The polyester sold for automotives is thin and clear, but it is useful as you can repair trnsparent poly(Yamaha for instance) or if you have the good black dye (very concentrated special dye) you can make flat surfaces with a brush and sand buff polish afterthat. low tech but useful (a friend showed me that lately I did not experiment yet but I've seen the result (grand lid) and was OK).
If not, quality polyester spraying is very expensive (many coats + buffing). styrene is a dangerous product for the health, also.

Have a nice sunday !



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