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#1744929 - 09/02/11 05:43 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Hi Custard
there are so many hundreds of jazz tunes that no one can know them all, even pros. It is good news that there are always more wonderful tunes left to discover.
Tenderly is one of my fave tunes but I have played it a few too many times now.
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#1744946 - 09/02/11 07:29 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: beeboss]
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Originally Posted By: beeboss
Hi Custard
there are so many hundreds of jazz tunes that no one can know them all, even pros.


Really ? That's very encouraging for me. Thanks Dave B.

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#1744984 - 09/02/11 09:37 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: beeboss]
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Nice Beeboss!

Just from a quick listen, I was surprised that came from a Nord Stage 2. And you seem to have good dynamic control from a DP. It sounded great. Like your grand.
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#1745074 - 09/02/11 12:32 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: beeboss]
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That was excellent !! What a great sound. I love the harmonies.....I think I told you that already though.. wink cool
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#1745080 - 09/02/11 12:38 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Well thanks again Dave
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#1745458 - 09/03/11 04:46 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Originally Posted By: jazzwee

Nice Beeboss!

Just from a quick listen, I was surprised that came from a Nord Stage 2. And you seem to have good dynamic control from a DP. It sounded great. Like your grand.


I finally got a chance to really listen.

I will admit too that I didn't know Embraceable You so I had to listen to the original first to understand what you were doing.

What a mind blowing concept!

It sounded like you 'zoomed in' to a medium swing tune and built the solo around the head.

What was your thought process as you did this? Did you plan out the framework? Or did you just go with the flow?

Amazing. smile
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#1745469 - 09/03/11 06:21 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Originally Posted By: jazzwee

What was your thought process as you did this? Did you plan out the framework? Or did you just go with the flow?



I was just learning to play the tune - like you it is one I have neglected for too long - and then I got into writing some new harmonies for it. I always try to do that every now and again as really thinking about the voicing and harmonic movement helps develop me harmonically - I discover some new voicing and chord motions every time. Once I had done a reharm I played around with it trying to find out how to play it in a way that worked. First I tried just playing the head and solo in a more usual way with the rearm tagged on the end but it didn't really work. Then as I played it a few more times this structure seemed to jump out.
The hard bit is making the improvisation flow into and out of the written harmony bits, and trying to make them have something to do with the tune. I still have some way to go there.
I listen to quite a lot of Martial Solal and he uses this idea a lot, going off in tangents and improvising on phrases from the head before bringing the head back in.

Glad you liked it.

I just a new version up on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeK8VfFlZRk
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#1745644 - 09/03/11 01:30 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Beeboss, I'm interested to hear your thought process when coming up with those harmonic bits. For example, the tune starts out

| Gmaj7 | BbMaj7 | A-7 | D7 |
and it sounded like you you made the first chord a relative minor and then a passing chord in between. Then you just implied the ii-V. Not sure but that's what it sounded like.

I'm not so advanced in the reharm side. I just know a little bit. Maybe some voicing changes. Some diminished cycle subs. Maybe some major-minor subs on ii-V's. I'd be interested in glimpses of approaches to harmonic development.
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#1745692 - 09/03/11 02:48 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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The first thing I did was to completely forget about the original sequence. Then I pieced together different voicings and root movements that sounded good to me.
Actually, now I think about it, I can't have completely forgotten about it, but more or less.

I did a part before so I have uploaded it if you want to look at it. I did change a few notes after writing it but it is more or less what I played


http://www.divshare.com/download/15656939-798


http://www.divshare.com/download/15656945-e35
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#1746300 - 09/04/11 02:35 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Thanks Beeboss. I learned a little bit from the thought process.
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#1748071 - 09/07/11 09:34 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Originally Posted By: jazzwee
Here's a rendition of Body and Soul with a modified melody...mistakes made but I only record once. I've avoided this tune for so long because it seemed hard to come up with something passable. But it seems to come easier now. All comments welcome.

Body and Soul
http://www.box.net/shared/st2kadn7833h8h0m0z7l



Hey jazzwee, I'm just getting around to listening to this... been out of town. Sounds nice! It seems like you get more comfortable with the feel as you get further in. Just keep subdividing smile.

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#1748075 - 09/07/11 09:39 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: chrisbell]
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Originally Posted By: chrisbell


Thanks for sharing this Chris. Kenny mentions Facing You as being KJ's greatest solo album... I've always thought so too!

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#1748097 - 09/07/11 10:09 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: beeboss]
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Originally Posted By: beeboss

I just a new version up on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeK8VfFlZRk


Beeboss... very cool on this Embraceable You. Lot's of great harmonies and it really brings a new light to this tune. I know what you mean about it being difficult to connect improvisational ideas to the arranged reharms. I can't do it satisfactorily at all yet, so I just have to compose the whole thing smile. I like all the space in your arrangement but I think it might be nice to raise the intensity at some point or get some momentum going for awhile. But don't get me wrong, it's good the way you do it already!

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#1748103 - 09/07/11 10:17 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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By the way, I got together with my old drummer friend and a new bass player a couple of weeks ago to see how we might click as a trio. It was really good! I'm looking forward to our next rehearsal. We're going to start working out some arrangements and hopefully hunt down a gig soon.

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#1748129 - 09/07/11 10:50 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: Scott Coletta]
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Originally Posted By: Scott Coletta
Originally Posted By: jazzwee
Here's a rendition of Body and Soul with a modified melody...mistakes made but I only record once. I've avoided this tune for so long because it seemed hard to come up with something passable. But it seems to come easier now. All comments welcome.

Body and Soul
http://www.box.net/shared/st2kadn7833h8h0m0z7l



Hey jazzwee, I'm just getting around to listening to this... been out of town. Sounds nice! It seems like you get more comfortable with the feel as you get further in. Just keep subdividing smile.


Thanks Scott. If I did an immediate second recording, I would have figured the feel out. It's perfect now. I just turned the backing track on and started playing without getting the feel right in my head. It was the first time I played against the backing track.

The recording I was using as an example was in double-time latin feel so that's why I was a little messed up with the time. And I don't play a lot at ballad tempo.

Hey we missed you Scott. My teacher actually used your wording on me. He actually said I was "wandering" on some of my playing smile

That's great you've got a trio going. Keep us updated and maybe make some recordings if you start rehearsing (or gig).
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#1751458 - 09/12/11 04:49 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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First of this autumns gigs.
Moon and Sand
Bouncing with Bud
It would be interesting to hear your comments.

In an effort to play "looser" the drummer looses his tightness, the bassist needs to work on his intonation and I need to work more with a metronome.
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#1751480 - 09/12/11 05:23 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Bouncing with Bud was really fun sounding. Difficult head. But beyond that you were completely at ease and really well constructed lines thumb Sounded great!

I don't know Moon and Sand but that sounded really good too.

You've got a nice solid trio.
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#1751713 - 09/13/11 05:07 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Hey Chris, great playing. I love those tunes, in fact directly after I heard your bouncing with bud I had to go a play it for about an hour. I am really into those Alec Wilder tunes at the moment, i had a quick go at moon and sand a whole ago and noticed that the real book changes were a bit different from what jarrett plays. Can't remember the details now though.

Jazzwee if you don;t know standards vol 2 you haven't lived
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8ypNllMLj4
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#1751714 - 09/13/11 05:17 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: beeboss]
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Originally Posted By: beeboss
Jazzwee if you don;t know standards vol 2 you haven't lived
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8ypNllMLj4


LOL. Apparently, I'm not yet alive! Well I can't buy everything from KJ. It's always too expensive. That always slows me down.

So what are the MUST HAVE albums? Be sparse here smile (I have 10).

Typically I enjoy the ECM ones more.
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#1751725 - 09/13/11 06:25 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: beeboss]
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Originally Posted By: beeboss
Hey Chris, great playing. I love those tunes, in fact directly after I heard your bouncing with bud I had to go a play it for about an hour.
Thanks all.
Btw: In Jarrett's version of BwB he does not solo on the changes in the head, so I choose to follow the Master. smile
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#1751726 - 09/13/11 06:32 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Originally Posted By: jazzwee
So what are the MUST HAVE albums? Be sparse here smile (I have 10). Typically I enjoy the ECM ones more.


With the Standards Trio I suggest: Standards vol2 + Live, Whisper Not, At The Blue Note, At The Deer Head Inn, Still Live, Tokyo '96, Tribute, My Foolish Heart - live at montreux.

You can find most of them on iTunes.
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#1751742 - 09/13/11 07:52 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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From the same gig, my own tune WJR
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#1751749 - 09/13/11 08:31 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Originally Posted By: jazzwee

So what are the MUST HAVE albums? Be sparse here smile (I have 10).

Typically I enjoy the ECM ones more.



the ones Chris suggested are all great

or these ...

my song
belonging
personal mountains
nude ants
at the blue Note
Changes
Standards in Norway
facing you
radiance
la scala
etc etc

standards 2 is a particularly good one, but he did do standards v1 and changes on the same day!!
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#1751781 - 09/13/11 09:56 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: chrisbell]
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Originally Posted By: chrisbell
, Whisper Not, At The Blue Note, .


Those are two of my favorites. I have that entire Blue Note boxed set collection, love it !
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#1751899 - 09/13/11 01:45 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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I hesitated in evaluating my collection because my iTunes is all messed up (computer crash). So I don't have a complete listing.

But I just have some of the preferred ones.

I have: Still Live, Standards in Norway (not complete), Blue Note (some), Out of Towners, a bunch of recent solo piano stuff (missing at the moment), then I have a mix of stuff in a 'Priceless Jazz Collection: KJ'. I have a Standards DVD (Video) somewhere.

So it looks like I'm not appreciating KJ as I should. Shame on him for charging too much money and slowing me down smile
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#1752663 - 09/14/11 11:06 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: chrisbell]
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Chris, I just got around to listening to your recordings... nice stuff! I like the feel on Moon and Sand. It kind of reminds me of some of the stuff on George Cables' "Why Not". If you haven't heard that album I would definitely recommend it. And your ending is great!

Sounds like you just still need some work on Bouncin' With Bud. That's a tough head. I did it solo with some transcribed stuff for one of my juries in grad school and it was a real pain. I think it just needs a little more punch and you'll have it. I'm sure once you all get more comfortable it will lock in better. KJ's version on Whisper Not is the definitive version for me so I like your take on it cool.

Your original tune is also really cool. Great changes and the melody flows nicely out of them. And I really like your ideas beginning around 1:50 going through 2:30... the left hand movement is really interesting.

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#1752715 - 09/15/11 02:23 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: chrisbell]
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Originally Posted By: chrisbell
First of this autumns gigs.
Moon and Sand
Bouncing with Bud
It would be interesting to hear your comments.

In an effort to play "looser" the drummer looses his tightness, the bassist needs to work on his intonation and I need to work more with a metronome.


Nice Chris. I play both of those tunes. It sounds to me like the drummer in M&S is plodding or dragging the time a bit in the first part but he sounds more in the flow towards the end of the tune. It takes a lot of technique from a drummer to play that floating ECM straight 8th groove, soft but with intensity without playing too far back on the time. I thought you played a nice solo, I could have used a few more melodic type motifs overall. It could get a little "liney" sounding to me in places. But that aside I thought it was cool. I too liked your ending on it....

On BWB, you played some nice things in the solo but again I felt the rhythm section holding you back a bit. The drummer didn't sound particularly like he was swinging very hard and the bass player was basically just going with him. In other words they weren't helping you along all that much imo. I'm just guessing here, but I think you might sound better playing with a good rhythm section on an Aebersold recording then here. Yeah that head is really tough ... cry

So now having said all that I'll open myself up here to scrutiny with a solo recording I did of BWB a few years ago. My only disclaimer is the fact I tried to play it on my old Yamaha CP300 digital piano. Some guys can do it on digital pianos but I really need a solid acoustic action to pull off all my nuances. So that being said, there are a few places were I hear technical and flow issues.
But anyway here it is.

http://www.divshare.com/download/15722494-1e0
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#1752717 - 09/15/11 02:28 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: custard apple]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
Originally Posted By: custard apple
Hi Dave F
I just went into your Soundcloud and listened to your Days of Wine and Roses which I've just finished studying as part of my Joy of Improvisation course. I really liked your choice of voicings which sounded nice and interesting and modern, and I also liked the movement between your voicings.


Thanks ca, much appreciated. I have a chart somewhere around here..if I can dig it up....



Hi Dave F
That's very nice of you. No rush, whenever you have time. Thanks again !


Good luck reading my writing... laugh Seriously, it ain't that bad. I never got around to learning the Sibilius thing.

If you do have any note questions let me know.....

DOW&R
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#1752785 - 09/15/11 06:48 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: Dave Ferris]
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Yeah your writing is pretty good actually smile
Thanks very much Dave for providing your sheet for me. You do things which are out there but they work really well e.g. for your 1st measure in F maj, your RH has #5 whilst your LH has b5, I didn't know you could alter major chords like that.
It's going to take me a long time to learn your arrangement. I played it extremely badly. But at least now my eyes can follow what my ears couldn't work out in your cool arrangement.

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#1753358 - 09/16/11 05:43 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: Dave Ferris]
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Very nice Dave! It was quite a treat to hear you fill this out in solo piano. It was an unexpected approach as it did not sound like bebop during the solo. And some really nice voicings in there.

This back and forth got me interested. Maybe I should learn this. Might take a while with that head though. Sounds like it's hard to get perfect.
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