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#1359932 - 01/27/10 11:58 PM Help with fingering of "moonlight sonata" 3rd movement
furballwarrior Offline
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Im trail learning the 3rd movement right now.. there's this part at 33-39 that's supposed to be a very light and playful series of scales on the right hand.

The fingering i'm using for it is 1 2 3 1 3 4 3 2 1 ... and respectively. But i'm not sure if it's the best way such that it would sound smooth and flowing. I've been hesitating to practice it in as a result.

Anyone knows more comfortable fingerings?

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#1360041 - 01/28/10 07:17 AM Re: Help with fingering of "moonlight sonata" 3rd movement [Re: furballwarrior]
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You shouldn't be using that fingering. Which is why you posted this up. I've been using this fingering. It's quite awkward but after that it'll go like really smooth and rolling.

Right after that minim on FF you will use 2 1 2 1 3 4 3 2 . That is in bar 33 and you repeat. Then when its time to go up the light scale you use (from e) 1 2 3 1 2 3 4 5 3 4 3 5 3 2 1 and 2 on the minim of the next bar. The other patterns are just variables of the fingering. I hope That helps =D . Enjoy quasi una fantasia.
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#1360134 - 01/28/10 10:47 AM Re: Help with fingering of "moonlight sonata" 3rd movement [Re: furballwarrior]
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Well I use:

1 2 3 1 4 5 4 3 1...

And in 35 (a slight variation,by my teacher, of the printed fingerings):
1 2 3 1 2 3 4 5 4 5 4 5 3 2 1 (ending on 2 switching to 1 on the half note in 36)

Keep practicing.

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#1360661 - 01/29/10 03:14 AM Re: Help with fingering of "moonlight sonata" 3rd movement [Re: daney]
furballwarrior Offline
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cool. daney's was pretty much understandable..

but Samuel, you use 21213432 such the the thumb falls on the f sharp? just for clarification. then it's followed such i suppose 21213432-12313432-etc ?

i'll try the 1 2 3 1 2 3 4 5 3 4 3 5 3 2 1 for the 35 though ^^ thanks. i has been trying it with 4545 on the top notes but i sense it's hazardous.

@daney 123145431's a very uncomfortable for my hand anatomy smirk hahahaha.

Another question came up as i was learning it just now.. bars 22-24. you guys follow the score instructions to legato the right hand? Because i've this fiendish tendency to wanna staccato some notes... maybe that's just for 25-28.

sigh. the arpeggios at the front are difficult to go leggieroo too. I suppose there's no other way but practice for those though. I've been convincing myself it'd be smooth over time because it's very stressful on the hand to keep practicing those parts. As like many fast songs, when you don't get the thing smooth and natural to your hand positions the keys seem obnoxiously heavy.

thanks for the suggestions too!
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#1360665 - 01/29/10 03:20 AM Re: Help with fingering of "moonlight sonata" 3rd movement [Re: furballwarrior]
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oh! another thing about the arpeggios, i personally try an accent on the beat because it sounds better. should that be encouraged?

sorry.. so many questionss, last for the day i promise: bars 19-20 my score indicates pedal notation.. but at least for my piano it kinda makes it pretty loud and harsh. Would it be better to carry the legato without sustain pedal for that section?

thanks for feedback once again laugh you guys are my piano teachers ^^ to large effect hahaha.
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Working on:
Chopin - fantasie impromptu
Bach - WTC II prelude & fugue in f minor
infantile:
Beethoven - sonata 14 op.27.2 mvmnt 3
Chopin - Op.10 no.12 C minor. etude
Considering:
Brahams - Zwei Rhapsodien no.2
Chopin - Polonaise in Ab Op.53

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#1360675 - 01/29/10 04:29 AM Re: Help with fingering of "moonlight sonata" 3rd movement [Re: furballwarrior]
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I think you should watch a video in youtube. How to play Moonlight sonate Nr3 By andras schiff. He doesn't give a tutorial but he emphasizes on the dynamics the pedalling. The way it should sound. If you have problems with that you can watch it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMqY4Bco0oA

The piece shouldn't be loud and harsh . It should be carefree, agitated (as stated) and lightfully nimble.
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#1360757 - 01/29/10 09:52 AM Re: Help with fingering of "moonlight sonata" 3rd movement [Re: SamOnThePiano]
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I always used an odd fingering for the passage, but it works for me:

12312321 23412321 234123453535321 2
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#1361411 - 01/30/10 02:58 AM Re: Help with fingering of "moonlight sonata" 3rd movement [Re: SamOnThePiano]
furballwarrior Offline
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Originally Posted By: Samuel.cho
I think you should watch a video in youtube. How to play Moonlight sonate Nr3 By andras schiff. He doesn't give a tutorial but he emphasizes on the dynamics the pedalling. The way it should sound. If you have problems with that you can watch it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMqY4Bco0oA

The piece shouldn't be loud and harsh . It should be carefree, agitated (as stated) and lightfully nimble.


Very useful video! thanks!

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#1361993 - 01/31/10 01:31 AM Re: Help with fingering of "moonlight sonata" 3rd movement [Re: furballwarrior]
furballwarrior Offline
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@Samuel.cho I still don't get the 21213432 fingering. it's for small fingers very weird over there when you end with a 2, so you'd have to start the scale with 1 again. why the trouble of 2121 for just the first run after the chord? (even if it'd be smooth it's only the 1st bar)

Another side note, from your side, you just completed grade 5. Learning liszt's Hungarian Rhapsody is wayyyy past grade 5 material though.. just wondering.
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Working on:
Chopin - fantasie impromptu
Bach - WTC II prelude & fugue in f minor
infantile:
Beethoven - sonata 14 op.27.2 mvmnt 3
Chopin - Op.10 no.12 C minor. etude
Considering:
Brahams - Zwei Rhapsodien no.2
Chopin - Polonaise in Ab Op.53

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#1365350 - 02/04/10 03:12 AM Re: Help with fingering of "moonlight sonata" 3rd movement [Re: furballwarrior]
SamOnThePiano Offline
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Ohh. I received my grade 7 certificate already. Thanks for investigating me though. I got another useful fingering:

1231231243 three times then do a scale ascending. start with one and change after the third finger. That fingering helps.
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I am Samuel Cho(click!) and music is what I'm here for.

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