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#1372546 - 02/13/10 11:05 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: keyboardklutz]
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Found a Scholtz edition - no preface! Still, I picked up a Chopin at the Boundaries!
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#1372896 - 02/13/10 06:53 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: keyboardklutz]
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Thank you for the congrats! I took a look for the suggested pieces. Nocturne 72 and Waltz in A minor sounded very lovely, so I think I'll pick one of those two. I'm also considering Beethovens Moonlight Sonata first mvmt.

As for the mazurkas, I somehow just don't find myself that fond of them. I guess I have a thing for Chopins Nocturnes. smile However, I think i'm choosing that waltz in A minor because it really would improve my left hand playing...

Anyways whatever piece I start practising, I'll report here for my improvement and feelings towards the learning. Thanks!

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#1372976 - 02/13/10 08:25 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Curious2]
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Originally Posted By: Curious223
.....As for the mazurkas, I somehow just don't find myself that fond of them.....

Boo ha

Are you judging from just reading through them, or have you actually heard some good performances? (Big difference -- no offense to your playing or anything like that; I'd feel this to be the case for anybody.)
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#1373298 - 02/14/10 05:09 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: keyboardklutz]
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Keyboardklutz, congratulations on the book-shopping success.

Happy Valentine's Day, all. I've done one more blog post related to Chopin, which concerns a very odd sort of valentine that came to me a year ago. It's my only physical evidence of his current activities. If you have a look at this, you'll find Mary-Rose's striking version of the 1849 photograph, which she hasn't gotten around to posting here (and I hope she doesn't mind my mentioning).

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#1373310 - 02/14/10 06:09 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Elene]
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WOW, that is really an interesting story! 2hearts
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#1373487 - 02/14/10 11:52 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: ChopinAddict]
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"“science” sounds like “sigh-AHNCE,” with a French nasal in the second syllable. But Chopin should sound Polish, shouldn’t he? (I mean, if I’d been trying to fake a Chopin voice, I would have tried to make him sound Polish, period.)"

To a Parisian ear, Chopin's French might sound (probably did sound)Polish-accented. In real life, Chopin didn't speak English; when he visited London, he only spoke to his buddies who spoke Polish or French.
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#1373501 - 02/14/10 12:03 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Jeff Clef]
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JeffCleff, Chopin didn't just mix with his 'buddies' when in the UK. He had numerous pupils, some of whom probably couldn't speak French let alone Polish. He socialised with the nobility and I am sure was polite enough not to expect them to use his language, even if they could. Maybe when he spoke to Prince Albert they used German.... and in Scotland he also would've had to converse in English with his hosts. It is likely their own Scots accents were not too strong, as was and is usual with upper class Scots, who have a slight burr but do not speak 'broad' Scots.

I expect his valet, a refined Irishman, would've helped where he could. But it seems to me mistaken to suppose Chopin didn't cope with the various languages he came across during his lifetime with at least reasonable skill - he was an extremely bright man, and his shortcomings we hear about mainly just from himself.
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#1373508 - 02/14/10 12:11 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Mary-Rose]
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Ah yes, but he did get the compliment he 'played leik water'! Funny, a student of mine recently got the same comment.
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#1373545 - 02/14/10 12:48 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: keyboardklutz]
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You are so right, MaryRose. In the book Chopin's Letters , he is almost always putting himself down. I wonder if he liked himself? Do we have any factual knowledge of this?

I believe (as do so many others) that the truest indication of his character was how he reacted during and after the break-up with Sand. And, of course, the same is true for her. The real Sand came to the forefront durng this same period.

There is a line from the movie The Wizard of Oz that has stayed with me for many decades and I believe it applies so beautifully here.

"It is not how many we love, but how many love us." I know this is a paraphrase, but you get the idea.

Happy heartto all,

Kathleen


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#1373573 - 02/14/10 01:29 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Curious223
.....As for the mazurkas, I somehow just don't find myself that fond of them.....

Boo ha

Are you judging from just reading through them, or have you actually heard some good performances? (Big difference -- no offense to your playing or anything like that; I'd feel this to be the case for anybody.)


'loveschopintoomuch' posted a youtube video of Horowitz playing one mazurka. I also have a bunch of Chopin's mazurkas played by Rubinstein on my computer.

I really like Nocturnes much more. I'm still giving a shot for that A-minor Waltz, since it would improve my left hand playing. smile

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#1373600 - 02/14/10 01:49 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Curious2]
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Curious223, I don't think you'll do any better than Rubinstein for the mazurkas. Sometimes they strike me as a little slow, but they are always well thought-out and profound.

In one of Chopin's letters from Britain, he says that he has learned enough English that he "won't starve or come to grief," or something close to that. In another letter he mentions a conversation with Ada Byron, in which she spoke English and he spoke French; it didn't sound like much actual communication took place, but perhaps he did understand a fair amount of what she was saying, I don't know.

Remember Bill Rodriguez, Fontana's great-great grandson? In his website bio of his ancestor, he mentions that in their teens Julian and Fryderyk took English classes, along with some other kids, from a man of Irish extraction if I remember correctly. Astonishing, isn't it? Never heard that before. Of course it's anyone's guess whether they actually learned much of anything.

The nobles of England and Scotland were at least attempting to speak French, as one would expect. Chopin pokes fun at their pronunciation (pot calling kettle black?), as in "j'aiieeee aiimeeee." Certainly the two Scottish Ladies spoke French well.

I would suppose that being told one plays "like water" is a very good thing, so congratulations to that student.

Did Chopin like himself? Well, I think he was fairly realistic about his abilities, though "modest" is a term often applied to him. But no one could possibly have met his standards, himself especially. Certainly he never made a big deal of himself, didn't display a lot of ego. It may be that his sense of propriety caused him to downplay his opinion of himself further-- that he actually thought better of himself than we see in his letters.

It has often seemed to me that most musicians feel inadequate. There are a few who either have a hugely inflated view of themselves or pretend to have one for promotional purposes, but most every one I've known worries about measuring up. You know, even Beethoven had a deep sense of inadequacy-- and if he could feel that way, anyone could.

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#1373609 - 02/14/10 01:57 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Elene]
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#1373840 - 02/14/10 05:59 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Curious2]
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Originally Posted By: Curious223
'loveschopintoomuch' posted a youtube video of Horowitz playing one mazurka. I also have a bunch of Chopin's mazurkas played by Rubinstein on my computer....

OK......then you did all right. smile
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#1374526 - 02/15/10 09:43 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Mark_C]
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Yes, I agree. Rubinstein is the best for not only Chopin's mazurkas but many other works. When attempting to learn a new mazurka, I listen to how he plays it, over and over, until the tempo is engraved in my brain. It certainly helps since the mazurkas are noted for their quirky rhythms. But so many have haunting and even exotic melody lines that can match and even exceed many of Chopin's nocturnes. thumb

Even though you are drawn to the nocturnes (and I can't blame you), treat yourself to a listen to several of the mazurkas; you will be surprised. smile

Chopin certainly must have loved composing them because he wrote so many.

And an additional plus, many are rather short - one or two pages.

Kathleen
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#1375376 - 02/16/10 09:22 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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Just bumping. Have to have Chopin out there on the first page, where he belongs.

I am looking forward to the Chopin 5 hour marathon on March 1st. Luckily my sister lives nearby and she will attend some of it with me (she's not a really big fan of Chopin but does like some of his works. But not enough to sit through 5 hours). I will then stay at her house overnight and head for home the next day, after the traffic dies down.

Hope everyone is well.

I have been checking and there is STILL NO CHOPIN going on in my immediate area. mad

With two world-class symphony orchestras nearby, this is just unbelievable.

Kathleen
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#1375382 - 02/16/10 09:32 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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What marathon is that?
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#1375465 - 02/16/10 11:24 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: stores]
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Northwestern University in Evanston, IL. Their School of Music (piano students) is performing a 5+ hour marathon concert - all Chopin's music. And it's free! At intermission, they're even offerring Polish food for sale. laugh

I wonder if there will be any lard sandwiches on rye. sick

Kathleen
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#1375795 - 02/16/10 05:21 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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Originally Posted By: loveschopintoomuch

I have been checking and there is STILL NO CHOPIN going on in my immediate area. mad


Same here... cry I have even PMed people (PW members) in my area, but nobody has heard of any concert. No Chopin concerts in Sydney and surroundings to celebrate his anniversary??? This sounds like a joke! And depressing too if they really don't care.... mad
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#1375813 - 02/16/10 05:40 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: ChopinAddict]
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I just came across a quote from the pianist Angela Hewitt which I thought encapsulated Chopin pretty well:

There's no image less helpful than that of the Romantic consumptive, eating himself up at the piano with the rain hammering against the windows. You only need to hear his music to be in touch with his immense inner strength and sense of discipline and craftsmanship.

Yes, I have long thought he had 'that immense inner strength'.
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#1375880 - 02/16/10 06:42 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Mary-Rose]
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#1375958 - 02/16/10 08:37 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: ChopinAddict]
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Originally Posted By: loveschopintoomuch

I have been checking and there is STILL NO CHOPIN going on in my immediate area. mad


Same here... cry I have even PMed people (PW members) in my area, but nobody has heard of any concert. No Chopin concerts in Sydney and surroundings to celebrate his anniversary??? This sounds like a joke! And depressing too if they really don't care.... mad


I can't seem to find ANY solo piano performances in Melbourne. Assuming there are some, where am I not looking?

There was, however, this neat thing on in Melbourne a few months ago where one gentleman played all of Bach's organ works in a row, between 8am Sunday and 1am that night! I wasn't able to make it until 11, but it was still pretty amazing. And free - my favorite.
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#1376111 - 02/17/10 12:06 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Seabelle]
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Originally Posted By: loveschopintoomuch

I have been checking and there is STILL NO CHOPIN going on in my immediate area. mad


Same here... cry I have even PMed people (PW members) in my area, but nobody has heard of any concert. No Chopin concerts in Sydney and surroundings to celebrate his anniversary??? This sounds like a joke! And depressing too if they really don't care.... mad


I can't seem to find ANY solo piano performances in Melbourne. Assuming there are some, where am I not looking?

There was, however, this neat thing on in Melbourne a few months ago where one gentleman played all of Bach's organ works in a row, between 8am Sunday and 1am that night! I wasn't able to make it until 11, but it was still pretty amazing. And free - my favorite.


This happened in Sydney too a few years go. ALL Bach organ works, and free (my favourite too smile )! I didn't stay really all day, but quite a few hours... smile

Oh, the ad is still online:
July 28th - 30th, 2000 Great Hall, University of Sydney
Bachathlon - To mark the 250th Anniversary of Bach's death and the 50th Anniversary of the Organ Music Society of Sydney.

The complete Organ Works of J S Bach played by members of the Organ Music Society of Sydney on the three manual and pedal von Beckareth organ.

For full details of the works being performed, please contact Amy Johansen on 02 4758 6067

Free Admission
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#1376137 - 02/17/10 12:40 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: ChopinAddict]
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I cannot even begin to comprehend how anyone could play all of Bach's organ works in a row-- or even over a period of days, as far as that goes.

Is anyone reading this planning to go to the MTNA conference in late March in Albuquerque? It will be largely devoted to Chopin. Alan Walker will speak, for one thing. It's kind of expensive for non-members, but I think I am going to go to the main day of concentration on playing and teaching Chopin. They have some free concerts in the evenings, too.

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#1376152 - 02/17/10 01:23 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Elene]
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Only a few days left to the 22nd. I can't wait for the recital in my town. Gotta buy tickets today smile
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#1376355 - 02/17/10 10:02 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Teodor]
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Only a few days left to the 22nd. I can't wait for the recital in my town. Gotta buy tickets today smile


And for those with nothing on the 22nd, maybe you'll be luckier on March 1, the currently preferred choice for the birth date (and the one the Chopin family always noted as his birthday).

Jeff Kallberg

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#1376979 - 02/18/10 12:23 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Jeff Kallberg]
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His magical strains,
A spell doth cast.
A breeze, a breath,
As the kiss of death.

But the kiss of love,
From high above,
Doth make its gains
Beneath the strains.

She stands beneath his
Ethereal gaze,
Her hands a'shaking,
Her heart ablaze.

Her fingers sing
On hammered string,
The cadence thus illume'd,
Doth his mystery consume.
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#1377248 - 02/18/10 10:24 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: gerg]
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That is just beautiful, Greg. heart

May I ask who the "she" is?

Kathleen
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#1377290 - 02/18/10 11:33 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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blush

It is you. It is Elene. It is Frycek. Anyone who stands touched, moved not by her (or his) own virtuosity but by the deep haunted mystery within so much of his work, that which cannot be quantified, and which only he seems to have possessed in such measure.

The silly little poem is inspired by the recital submissions I've received to date, which I of course get to listen to first as part of the preparation. smile
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#1377295 - 02/18/10 11:39 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: gerg]
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Originally Posted By: gerg

The silly little poem is inspired by the recital submissions I've received to date, which I of course get to listen to first as part of the preparation. smile


That's a well-deserved fringe benefit for all of your hard work behind the scenes. Without you, these e-citals wouldn't be possible. heart

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#1379090 - 02/20/10 07:15 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: heidiv]
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Dear Greg:

You are one in a million (make that two). 3hearts You must know how much we care for you and how much we are indebted to you for all you have done to keep Chopin so alive and well. Our gratitude is boundless.

On another note---sorry for the pun.

I have been struggling along with Chopin's nocturne, 72, #1. And I do mean struggle. Again, that left hand of mine has kept me from serious practice for many months.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG2tc-knlUs

But, OMG, I found this performance on youtube, and all my fears and frustrations have melted away. YES! This is the tempo that I KNOW I can achieve. I believe she plays it so beautifully. And I believe I can come fairly close. I was so inspired after listening, that I spent two hours at the keyboard, making great progress. All because I know now that I can play it at a more reasonable (and attainable) speed. Color me happy! laugh

Kathleen
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