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#1594062 - 01/09/11 03:16 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Elene]
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Originally Posted By: Elene
Well, now Inquiring Minds Want to Know. How about a full-color photo of ChopinAddict as well?

(The red hair is not as far off for Our Friend as the black or extremely dark hair he sometimes appears to have in portraits.)

Elene


Just try to imagine that picture with longer hair (MUCH longer) and unfortunately dark rings under the eyes (from insomnia, sickness etc.)... smile
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#1594431 - 01/10/11 03:51 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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I'd appreciate some feedback on my performance of Chopin's prelude in Db maj, Op. #28/15. I'm sure there are some good critical ears in this group.

I don't like how I played the bass note prior to the ff chords. Usually I do that much better.

link to youtube --thanks!
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#1595076 - 01/11/11 12:13 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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Hawgdriver, this has many excellent qualities. I can't say much about the sound itself, on that bass note or any others, because the sound was coming through a bit fuzzy on my computer, but other than a bit of hesitation on that note, no big deal.

The only thing that bothered me was the variation in tempo (more than rubato) in the A section; you steadied when you got to the minor section in the middle. It sounds like you're just uncertain, still getting settled into the piece, which I assume is what was happening. I wouldn't play those lone RH notes in the 8th and 7th measures from the end so slowly-- can't see any musical reason for it-- but I'm not you.

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#1598088 - 01/15/11 03:00 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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Byron Janis and the Chopin death mask

My copy of the death mask just sits there, which is fine with me. Unless it is up to some funny business in the closet when I'm not looking.

You know, a while back I had joked that since there are so many who "worship" him, we should start a Church of Chopin. Now we have a recorded miracle, so it must be time!

(We have the Church of Beethoven in Albuquerque, but it is basically a concert series-- a different matter!)

I just checked out Janis' website, and I see that he has some excellent books in his "recommended reading" list, in particular Extraordinary Knowing by Elizabeth Lloyd Mayer and The Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot. I highly recommend these as well.

I didn't think much of Janis' writings about Chopin when we encountered some last spring, but I will try to keep an open mind and will read his new book.

Elene

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#1604934 - 01/24/11 09:25 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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Helloooo out there....

Another friend just sent me this:

Now they're saying Chopin had a form of epilepsy

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#1605051 - 01/25/11 02:12 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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Here's a little something I prepared earlier:
http://www.box.net/shared/bmjm7kgdym
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#1605078 - 01/25/11 04:02 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: keyboardklutz]
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Thank you very much for sharing 'Chopium' with us, Keyboardklutz. You've gone to a great deal of trouble and it's very interesting.
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#1605108 - 01/25/11 06:11 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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Here's an interesting essay I found while researching: www.whitwellessays.com/docs/DOC_576.doc . He seems to have extracted every bit on Chopin's health that's available. If you go to www.whitwellessays.com/ you'll see the guy's real busy!
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#1605114 - 01/25/11 06:29 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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Pity these scientists weren't subscribers to Just for those totally devoted to Chopin:
Originally Posted By: Elene
Keyboardklutz, I was editing while you were posting, so please have another look. Thanks.

Something else of possible interest:
http://lf1.cuni.cz/Data/Files/PragueMedicalReport/pmr_110_2009_02/pmr2009a0016.pdf

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#1605207 - 01/25/11 10:24 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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Sorry for derailing the discussion for a personal thingy — I just wanted to say I'm happy this thread is still alive smile It's heartwarming to see that some things don't change, even after a long pause from reading the forum.


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#1605295 - 01/25/11 12:54 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Elene]
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From the article Elene cited:

"As the radiologist read about the composer, he kept his eyes open for anecdotes and scenes that fit within known seizure symptoms.

He found quite a few. In a letter to Sand's daughter, for example, Chopin described why he abruptly left the room while playing his Sonata in B flat minor during a concert in 1848. "I was about to play the March," he wrote, "when suddenly, I saw emerging from the half-open case of my piano those cursed creatures that had appeared to me on a lugubrious night at the Carthusian monastery.""

There's reason to be suspicious about the legitimacy of this letter. The only record of it is in Gavoty's book about Chopin; an inquiry with his wife after his death failed to turn up an autograph, or indeed any other source. It is quite out of keeping with other reports of this concert. Absent an autograph, I suspect the letter is inauthentic.

(I wrote about this in my article on "Chopin's March" in 19th-Century Music awhile back.)

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#1607169 - 01/28/11 01:08 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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I've been distracted enough to miss Mozart's birthday, a date Our Friend would probably have noted.

Mati, I am happy to read any sort of thingy from you. Good to hear from you.

KK, thanks for your efforts. I am hoping that your own health is excellent at this point.

As usual, we are left in a sort of quantum uncertainty state with these questions about Chopin's health and the reasons for his symptoms. If he did have hallucinations, and that is not entirely clear, various explanations are possible, the opium use being one. It does seem that his letters, including those from near the end of his life, are lucid and sane.

I've read that there can be personality changes, including irritability and difficulty controlling one's temper, in the late stages of respiratory illnesses such as COPD. Not being able to breathe, constantly coughing, and being in pain most or all of the time seem like extremely good reasons for crankiness.

(When I had croup years ago and coughed 24 hours a day for nearly a month, I would have taken just about anything to make it stop. I'm surprised my family didn't strangle me during my brief periods of sleep, because it must have been nearly as bad for them as for me.)

Temporal lobe epilepsy, by the way, seems to be a popular explanation for people seeing things they aren't supposed to, whether those things are "really" there or not.

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#1608596 - 01/30/11 03:48 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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Hello all Chopiner's out there. I just finished writing the start of my new article about Chopin, the painter. It turns out that Chopin was a very capable sketch artist. He used to draw a sketch now and than of things he thought were interesting in his private diaries. I put some examples to picture sketches which were drawn by Chopin in my blog. Check it out if you have a second or two smile

http://chopin-opus.66ghz.com/chopin-the-painter/

Have a great day,
Shaul.


Edited by shaulhadar (01/30/11 03:49 AM)
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#1609013 - 01/30/11 06:47 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: shaulhadar]
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Very nice, thank you!
Many artists are indeed talented in many areas, and our friend was no exception...
Are there more?
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#1609044 - 01/30/11 07:38 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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Speaking of graphics - something we all might enjoy. Be sure to click on each image. They enlarge and a few are the first part of a series.

Winners - Chopin's Smile Caricature Contest 2010
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#1609048 - 01/30/11 07:50 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: ChopinAddict]
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Very nice, thank you!
Many artists are indeed talented in many areas, and our friend was no exception...
Are there more?

I know of at least a few more, including a landscape he drew on Majorca. (I imagine in the absence of a piano he probably drew a good bit on Majorca.) There were probably more of his drawings (as well as letters and several music manuscripts,) among the family papers that were burned when Russian soldiers ransacked and gutted the Chopin family apartment in Warsaw in 1866.
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#1609181 - 01/31/11 01:31 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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I think i have two or three more, let me check it out smile
ok its done, you can check i added three more smile


Edited by shaulhadar (01/31/11 01:38 AM)
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#1609710 - 01/31/11 05:36 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: shaulhadar]
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Shaulhadar, thank you so much for gathering together this information and sharing it with us. It's really great to know that I am not the only one eagerly trying to gather every possible snippet of information about my lifelong passion, Chopin!


Edited by Mary-Rose (01/31/11 05:37 PM)
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#1609735 - 01/31/11 05:53 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: shaulhadar]
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Thanks! I am going to bookmark that page now!

Frycek, interesting caricatures. Some are really gorgeous in their ingenuity.
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#1609757 - 01/31/11 06:24 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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Also two pages of Chopin posters one can purchase:
Chopin posters
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#1610480 - 02/01/11 04:45 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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Elene, you can't have a "Church of Chopin" (!) becouse that's very blasphemous Church is Jesus Christ's and will never be no ones else's.I, for one don't worship Chopin, although I like his music (from classical composers) very much. What has Chopin done for me that I should/could worship him. Ok, he wrote beautiful music, but that's nothing compared what God has done. He made this beautiful planet! Him I worship!
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#1610486 - 02/01/11 04:48 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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I'm happy to join. My Eigeldinger under my arm!
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#1610502 - 02/01/11 05:00 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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Many if not most educated people in Chopin's time seem to have had a good grounding in drawing. Chopin's drawings are nothing special as drawings, but they are precious to us because they show us a little more of what he was looking at and thinking about.

When my daughter and I were in Warsaw, we saw ads for the Muzeum Karykatury, but we didn't make it there. Now I wish we had. A number of these Chopin paintings and cartoons are wondrous. There is a "kiosk" button on the website, and it appears that a catalogue of the exhibition is for sale at a very attractive price, but the site doesn't seem to allow one to buy electronically. I can't read enough of the Polish to be sure, though.

I particularly love the "Nocturne" painting, with Our Friend's profile against the night sky-- rather close somehow to the way I experience him. And "Chopin in Exile" with the piano strings turning into telephone wires stretching into the distance. The woman's form stretched along the keys is a great evocation of the sensuality of the music. A performance of nocturnes for owls or vampires is a cute idea. And the Chopin-as-icon could go in our Church, I suppose.*

Today I was told I'd won the Dedicated Piano Student of the Year award for braving ice and blowing snow with low visibility to get to my lesson in the Sandia foothills. It was totally worth it-- one of the best lessons I've had. I guess addiction is a more powerful force than weather.

Elene

* Which I think you misunderstood, Tuomas. The church idea was meant to be extremely tongue-in-cheek.

It has occurred to me, though, that the Catholic Church gives out sainthoods for reasons that sometimes appear to me to be rather weak. (Now Frycek will get after me, too.) Great composers and artists are not sainted for what they do, but I think perhaps they should be. Surely JS Bach has done more to bring humans closer to God than a lot of saints have! But being Lutheran, he wouldn't be considered for sainthood anyway. At any rate, I don't see Chopin as a saint, and certainly not as a deity (as some people almost seem to do!), but his work has contributed greatly to my experience of spirituality.

KK, I've thought of Eigeldinger's book as the Chopinologist's "bible"-- but I wasn't thinking of it quite like that!
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#1611937 - 02/03/11 02:08 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Elene]
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Originally Posted By: Elene
I don't see Chopin as a saint, and certainly not as a deity (as some people almost seem to do!), but his work has contributed greatly to my experience of spirituality.


Yes, me too. It is because there is something divine in his music and what it conveys to us...
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#1612199 - 02/03/11 07:01 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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.....and here is my new Chopin recording. It's not perfect but for some reason, I really wanted to record something today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A7CdDehSQs

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#1612217 - 02/03/11 07:32 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: LisztAddict]
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Nice LA! 21 is a favorite of mine. Impressive 24!
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#1612436 - 02/04/11 02:49 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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LA, I always enjoy your videos with their atmospheric lighting.

How are you liking the Liszt Year so far?

Elene

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#1612491 - 02/04/11 06:51 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Elene]
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Originally Posted By: Elene


The church idea was meant to be extremely tongue-in-cheek.

It has occurred to me, though, that the Catholic Church gives out sainthoods for reasons that sometimes appear to me to be rather weak.

I guess I was being very literal...
As to the sainthood in Catholic Church, that is not Biblical at all since all those belonging to Jesus Christ ARE Saints!

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#1612593 - 02/04/11 11:06 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Elene]
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Originally Posted By: Elene
How are you liking the Liszt Year so far?


I'd like to see it bigger like the Chopin Year was. But most Liszt music are so hard to play. Besides the Consolations, I think everything else is out of reach for the AB.

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#1615147 - 02/08/11 03:51 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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Today's "Performance Today" show featured Godowsky's monster of an arrangement of two Chopin etudes, 10/5 and 25/9, played at the same time. Mercy! They leave the recording up on their site for 7 days. Look down and on the left of the page for Godowsky's LH-only adaptation of the Revolutionary Etude.

Performance Today 2/7/11

My e-friend in southern Brasil (is the internet great or what?) sent me an electronic file of Rosemary Brown and Peter Katin's out-of-print album, "A Musical Seance." Previously I had only heard it on a fuzzy cassette tape taken from the LP with an air mic. I've put it up on Box.net, and I'm posting the link here because there is some genuinely fun and fine music on this album (though Mrs. Brown's playing is a bit clunky at times, and some pieces are weaker than others). Both Liszt and Chopin, or quasi-Liszt and quasi-Chopin at least, are well represented.

"A Musical Seance"

My article about Mrs. Brown is still available on my blog, so I won't repeat anything about that here. I will add only that I am playing Liszt's "Grübelei" again, and that I'm greatly enjoying it and learning a lot from it, and that although there is a fascinating story about how it was written, it's a great piece and easy to appreciate even if one knows nothing about that. It seems that despite Liszt's writing such a gargantuan amount of music, his style has not yet been used up. As LA said, so much of his repertoire is beyond so many of us; this piece is challenging (5 against 3 throughout and some tricky reading) but accessible, and might be worthwhile for someone who is longing to play something besides the Consolations but can't yet.

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