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#1373923 - 02/14/10 07:06 PM Any bad habits so far?
Nikorasu Offline
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A friend of mine asked me to record a little soundtest video to show my new keyboard, and since it's done I thought I could give it some use.

I didn't take the playing too seriously because it was more about the sound, they're little parts of the pieces I've been learning since I started roughly 1 month ago, I would love you to tell me if I'm doing something wrong, anything specific to improve...

Any criticism is welcome =) (until I can afford a live teacher, I'll have to rely in you! hehe).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUiSIgheK4M

Thanks!

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#1374049 - 02/14/10 09:41 PM Re: Any bad habits so far? [Re: Nikorasu]
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For 1 month, that's FANTASTIC.
In fact it would be fantastic even for a lot longer.

Just in the first few seconds we can tell that you're doing all right. And I can tell that you had a big head start even before you ever began, because your rhythmic sense is excellent -- and it really shows. Excellent rhythms, and with "spunk." And good accurate playing besides that.

Keep it up. You're doing great.
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#1374100 - 02/14/10 10:46 PM Re: Any bad habits so far? [Re: Mark_C]
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That's great playing! You should be really proud of yourself. I don't see any bad habits at all, and I think recording yourself and listening/watching is the best way of figuring out how to improve.

Nancy
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#1374382 - 02/15/10 04:51 AM Re: Any bad habits so far? [Re: NancyM333]
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Thanks!

I'm a bit concerned about something specific and I would like to know if it's normal.

I'm not sure if it can be appreciated in the video, but I tend to keep my left hand flatter than my right. The thing is, even I continuously try to curl my left in the "ball" position, it keeps on going down because otherwise I can't pull enough strength out of my pinky.

So, when I have to lay down all the fingers at once when pressing a chord, I struggle very badly to push them all at once while keeping my hand the closest possible to the "ball shape".

Will it work out eventually when I gain more strength?


Thanks again!

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#1374385 - 02/15/10 05:01 AM Re: Any bad habits so far? [Re: Nikorasu]
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Don't shape your hand like a ball. Rest both hands on the keyboard as they would be lying at your side then innervate. The 'hold the ball' school is 19th century and wrong.
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#1374387 - 02/15/10 05:04 AM Re: Any bad habits so far? [Re: keyboardklutz]
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Originally Posted By: keyboardklutz
Don't shape your hand like a ball. Rest both hands on the keyboard as they would be lying at your side then innervate. The 'hold the ball' school is 19th century and wrong.


Good to know ^^ Thanks!

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#1374388 - 02/15/10 05:09 AM Re: Any bad habits so far? [Re: keyboardklutz]
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Originally Posted By: keyboardklutz
Don't shape your hand like a ball. Rest both hands on the keyboard as they would be lying at your side then innervate. The 'hold the ball' school is 19th century and wrong.


Would it be possible for you to point out to somewhere in the internet with an image of what you mean? I don't understand "innervate". I am not a native english speaker (or reader on this case ;-) )

Thanks. (
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#1374391 - 02/15/10 05:20 AM Re: Any bad habits so far? [Re: GustavoF]
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Innervate means to send a signal to the muscles via nerves. Here's a silent video of me showing four different ways to bring about depression.

While we're at it, I post this from time to time:
This is what I teach. Initially you draw your fingertips in towards you to depress the key (as your finger bends the tip lowers, as the tip lowers the key must go down). It is the most tension free position possible – it’s up to you if you want to add tension here or there later. Adding tension is easy, resolving it not so.

1) Place your hands on the keys looking as they do when hanging at your side. The only tension is in the biceps to hold your forearm up to stop your wrist sinking. Do not turn your wrist either clockwise or counter-clockwise. Allow your fingers the natural oblique angle that results from this. At a later date you can turn your wrist (put your knuckles in a line horizontally) when you play but I don’t recommend it as it adds tension.

2) Using a finger ‘wipe’ the key as if you were brushing off a piece of fluff from a baby’s nose (without waking her). DO NOT MOVE YOUR HAND. Mostly I use the word ‘scratch’ instead of ‘wipe’ for a louder sound. You see, just bending the nail joint will cause the key to go down the 3/8 inch needed. The other joints will follow (though physiologically speaking it's the mid-joint that tenses first - you don't see that though).

Here are my three ways of bringing about key depression:

1) scratching as discussed above (after some weeks the finger doesn't slide so it becomes gripping)

2) flicking (wrist starts from as low as it will go, flicks the key and ends up as high as it can go (hand hanging from the wrist))

3) drop and flop (hand hangs from the wrist (which it is already doing if you've just flicked), drop the arm weight and bite into key - flopping before reaching the keybed (add muscle when that's learnt))

On tension:
There are plenty of techniques out there that purport to relax you. I'm a bit dubious of all of them all. The problem is, being relaxed is about not tensing unneeded muscles - and how do you NOT do something?

It takes some people years to retract their erroneous body control. All I can recommend is:

1) Allow your elbows to hang loosely at your sides.

2) Sit at the piano with your breastbone pointed up. A good way to achieve this is to roll each shoulder separately forward, up and back - placing and leaving the shoulder hanging down the back - then do the other one.

3) Place your hands with NO shape whatsoever on the keyboard. Allow your wrists to fall away from you - right clockwise, left anticlockwise.

4) If your hands look beautiful, they are relaxed. Between each note ALLOW them to return to their naturally beautiful state.

I think my favorite word of all time is allow.
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#1374459 - 02/15/10 08:24 AM Re: Any bad habits so far? [Re: keyboardklutz]
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This is so good to hear. I've been learning without a teacher for the last 2 months and shaping my hands like there is a ball under them. I went to my first lesson last week and she was quick to flatten out my hands.

Originally Posted By: keyboardklutz
Don't shape your hand like a ball. Rest both hands on the keyboard as they would be lying at your side then innervate. The 'hold the ball' school is 19th century and wrong.


Nikorasu, your left hand looks just my left hand. My teacher told me that's what she wants me to do with my right hand. I was holding my right hand up higher than what you held yours in the video.

You've been playing only a month? That's very good. Keep up the hard work!
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