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#1374699 - 02/15/10 01:41 PM Kawai CE200 Opinions
bballer34 Offline
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Registered: 01/20/10
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I visited the local Sam Ash store over the weekend to play the Yamaha YDP 160 and P155 side by side for comparison. However, they had a Kawai CE200 that I thought was pretty good as well. Any opinions good or bad on the CE200? I thought that Yamaha had the best action of anyone, but the Kawai wasn't bad, just different.

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#1374872 - 02/15/10 05:09 PM Re: Kawai CE200 Opinions [Re: bballer34]
susanmusic Offline
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How forunute for you that you can try a CE-200 next to the others.

Keep in mind that I'm more "tolerant" than "picky" as compared to others here. I wanted some features that only the CE-200 offered in this price range. (Console with speakers at least 20 plus 20, audio line in, wooden keys.)

I'm quite happy with my CE-200. It's my primary piano for teaching in my home studio. Before buying I'd read about a problem of keys somtimes sticking up about 1/4 inch. It's true. I can live with it. Just push the key back down.

A personal decision is whether you prefer the Yamaha sound. The Kawai took some getting used to as my other pianos/keyboards are mainly Yamahas.
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Teacher. 1926 Steinway M. Kawai CE200. Casio PX3. Yamaha P-60. Yamaha NP-30. Roland C-30 Digital Harpsichord. Roland Integra 7.

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#1375970 - 02/16/10 09:00 PM Re: Kawai CE200 Opinions [Re: susanmusic]
Peacemaker Offline
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Registered: 02/13/10
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Loc: usa
Hi again Susan, given that you use the CE200 for teaching, do you feel that the pedals is close enough to an acoustic piano that one can advance one's pedal technique on it and then transfer those skills to an actual acoustic piano. Also, did you have any trouble with your pedals thus far or have they been durable. Thanks. Peacemaker.

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#1376012 - 02/16/10 09:59 PM Re: Kawai CE200 Opinions [Re: bballer34]
ChrisA Offline
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Registered: 12/28/08
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Loc: Redondo Beach, California
Originally Posted By: bballer34
I visited the local Sam Ash store over the weekend to play the Yamaha YDP 160 and P155 side by side for comparison. However, they had a Kawai CE200 that I thought was pretty good as well.


My opinion matches yours. But I think the weak point of the CE200 was sound. Newer Kawai have much improved sound. Kawai's strong point is their key action.

My local Sam Ask also has all those DPs side by side

I play on an older Kawai about three hours a week at school and the sound is acceptable for learning and practice but not for recording. At home I have a P155. The P155 sound is better but the key action is good in both cases.


Given an unlimited budget. I think I'd have a Roland HP307. But what I did is divide all the DP's into two stacks, those that I liked and those I didn't. then I bought the lowst priced DP in the "like" stack. All of the Rolands and Kawai that I liked where over $2K. The P155 was on sale for under $1K.

If the Yamaha CP50 hits the stores anytime soon you should look at that. Same key action as the P155 but with next generation of sound.

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#1376049 - 02/16/10 10:53 PM Re: Kawai CE200 Opinions [Re: ChrisA]
bballer34 Offline
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Registered: 01/20/10
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Chris, thanks for the input. I feel like I can't quite get all the features I want within a reasonable budget! The P155 seems to be the closest though without the best sounding speakers and the cabinet look that seems to be the only thing my wife cares about smile Anyway, I mentioned in another thread that the P155 I tried out had nice action but the keys felt a bit different from the YDP160. Almost like they weren't quite as slick and were made out of something a bit different. I'm pretty sure that's not the case but have you heard of anything like that or is it just me (or maybe I just got hold of a dud)?

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#1376517 - 02/17/10 01:53 PM Re: Kawai CE200 Opinions [Re: Peacemaker]
susanmusic Offline
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Registered: 03/02/09
Posts: 116
Originally Posted By: Peacemaker
Hi again Susan, given that you use the CE200 for teaching, do you feel that the pedals is close enough to an acoustic piano that one can advance one's pedal technique on it and then transfer those skills to an actual acoustic piano. Also, did you have any trouble with your pedals thus far or have they been durable. Thanks. Peacemaker.


Well, that's an interesting question. Most of my students are beginners through intermediates. We just work on basic damper pedal overlapping/syncopated technique. No one has trouble going between the CE-200 and my Yamaha grand. As far as I know, no one has trouble going back and forth between my pianos and home pianos. And, so far, the CE-200 pedals have been just fine. The CE-200 does have half-damper capacity, a feature which is becoming rather standard on DP's.
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Teacher. 1926 Steinway M. Kawai CE200. Casio PX3. Yamaha P-60. Yamaha NP-30. Roland C-30 Digital Harpsichord. Roland Integra 7.

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#1376590 - 02/17/10 03:37 PM Re: Kawai CE200 Opinions [Re: bballer34]
ChrisA Offline
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Registered: 12/28/08
Posts: 3841
Loc: Redondo Beach, California
Originally Posted By: bballer34
Chris, thanks for the input. I feel like I can't quite get all the features I want within a reasonable budget! The P155 seems to be the closest though without the best sounding speakers and the cabinet look that seems to be the only thing my wife cares about smile


Here are some logical arguments to try. Althoug I know Logic falls on deaf ears...

Tell the wife that unless you spend a ton of money on the DP the "cabinet look" is just plastic laminate over particle board. That is what you get on the YDP. It looks "fake" because it is. On the other hand a P series Yamaha (on the matching Yamaha stand) has a modern look and does not try to hide what it really is, a digital piano and so it does not look like a fake.

The construction quality of the lower priced "cabinet DPs" is about the same as Ikea. Hardly an upscale interior design statement.

There are good reasons to buy a YDP, perhaps you like the that the pedals are held in place by a cross braces that is screwed to the stand? or the placement of the speakers. But because you want fancy looking furnture no the materials and joinery on the YDP series is not up to "furniture grade".

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#1376664 - 02/17/10 05:14 PM Re: Kawai CE200 Opinions [Re: ChrisA]
bballer34 Offline
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Registered: 01/20/10
Posts: 11
Great points Chris! Any thoughts on the last question in that post though? I copied it below.

Anyway, I mentioned in another thread that the P155 I tried out had nice action but the keys felt a bit different from the YDP160. Almost like they weren't quite as slick and were made out of something a bit different. I'm pretty sure that's not the case but have you heard of anything like that or is it just me (or maybe I just got hold of a dud)?

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#1376680 - 02/17/10 05:29 PM Re: Kawai CE200 Opinions [Re: bballer34]
ChrisA Offline
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Registered: 12/28/08
Posts: 3841
Loc: Redondo Beach, California
Originally Posted By: bballer34
Great points Chris! Any thoughts on the last question in that post though? I copied it below.

Anyway, I mentioned in another thread that the P155 I tried out had nice action but the keys felt a bit different from the YDP160.


The key action should be identical. Perhaps one had been on the demo floor longer or maybe at one time a can of soda was spilled into one of the DPs?

The difference in the sound might fool you into thinking the key action is difference. With fewer velocity layers maybe you have to play the YDP harder to get the same timbre. I'd bet it is some effect like that.

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#1376777 - 02/17/10 07:14 PM Re: Kawai CE200 Opinions [Re: ChrisA]
bballer34 Offline
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Registered: 01/20/10
Posts: 11
I would have to agree with your take. It was certainly odd though. I even pointed it out to my patient wife that it wasn't really the action, but almost like the keys weren't as smooth as on the YDP. Anyway, I appreciate your help!

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#1376818 - 02/17/10 07:57 PM Re: Kawai CE200 Opinions [Re: susanmusic]
Peacemaker Offline
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Registered: 02/13/10
Posts: 23
Loc: usa
Thanks Susan. I am looking forward to trying this one out too.

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