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#1378573 - 02/20/10 12:18 AM Re: Slave to the tyranny of classical music [Re: ten left thumbs]
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Originally Posted By: ten left thumbs
We never covered that in school, but I now feel ready to write a PhD on the subject! Thankyou smile


Of course, you know nobody would want to read your dissertation until you are dead.
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#1378580 - 02/20/10 12:40 AM Re: Slave to the tyranny of classical music [Re: lisztonian]
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ooh guess I forgot about those lol and I still like music where people have improvised it like canon for example. There are some wonderful improvised versions of that song out there. Plus.. most of that music is way to hard for me to play from the original scores so I like it when people put it in easier forms but is that really improvising or just rewriting the score so it's easier for people like myself to play ?:)


Edited by ladypayne (02/20/10 12:46 AM)
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#1378588 - 02/20/10 12:49 AM Re: Slave to the tyranny of classical music [Re: 4evrBeginR]
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lol it's fun to make threads serious... that's how discussions get going :P
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#1378645 - 02/20/10 03:45 AM Re: Slave to the tyranny of classical music [Re: ladypayne]
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WELL..............

I'll join in simply to narrate a tale from the early 80s when I was a high school student and being asked by my instrumentalist friends to accompany them for their instrumental examinations.

It was a Grade 5 flute exam, and we were to begin with a simple movement from a suite by some Baroque composer or other. My friend and I had rehearsed well, and I really knew what to do to make her sound fabulous and hopefully score brilliant marks thanks to our dynamic ensemble performance! Just before we were about to start this first piece the examiner came over to the piano, put his hands on my shoulders and said "Now we know this piece was written for a harpsichord, and since harpsichords didn't have sustain pedals we won't be needing to use the sustain pedal on the piano, will we?"

"No!!" I exclaimed enthusiastically, surreptitiously sliding my right foot back under the piano stool, cursing his commitment to the authenticity trend, and attempted to accompany well, despite the fact I had not rehearsed the music 'dry'.

At the point of the exam where my role had ended, the examiner returned to where I was seated, did the hands on my shoulders thing again, and said "You are a very gifted accompanist".

What a sadist.


Edited by Elissa Milne (02/20/10 03:45 AM)
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#1378648 - 02/20/10 04:08 AM Re: Slave to the tyranny of classical music [Re: Elissa Milne]
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Originally Posted By: Elissa Milne
What a sadist.

I like your style.
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#1378677 - 02/20/10 06:20 AM Re: Slave to the tyranny of classical music [Re: ten left thumbs]
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Originally Posted By: ten left thumbs
We never covered that in school, but I now feel ready to write a PhD on the subject! Thankyou smile


You never covered Jefferson Davis and the great, heartwarming American Civil War during your education in Scotland? Hard to believe. I'm sure they did. You must have been absent that day. After all, we studied the Scottish Civil War(s) here in the States - all of them. Or at least we saw the movie version starring Mel Gibson.

JF
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#1378713 - 02/20/10 09:01 AM Re: Slave to the tyranny of classical music [Re: TrapperJohn]
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A little music to add to the discussion. Don't sing along though, Michael Palin is alive and well to the best of my knowlege.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkRXTT-15WM
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#1378728 - 02/20/10 09:42 AM Re: Slave to the tyranny of classical music [Re: Little_Blue_Engine]
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First of all I would like to reassure everyone here that I am a triangle and piano player of the *female* variety. Probably everyone knows what that means, but anyone who is unsure may please speak up, and I'll let them know. My education in anatomy was far more detailed than that on history.

Blue Engine - I am a true Python, though I'd never heard that one. Thankyou for bringing it to my attention.

Elissa, that is a beautiful story.

JF - You talk of the American Civil War. This rings a triangle for me. Who did you fight it against? I'm glad at least you were civil to them, and hope they paid you the same courtesy. I don't recall Scotland having civil wars, although it is possible I was simply absent from school that day.
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#1378742 - 02/20/10 10:09 AM Re: Slave to the tyranny of classical music [Re: Little_Blue_Engine]
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lol funny :P
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#1378806 - 02/20/10 12:25 PM Re: Slave to the tyranny of classical music [Re: ladypayne]
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BB player has closed the 'Free to be Creative' thread. laugh

Halleluya! thumb
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#1378814 - 02/20/10 12:33 PM Re: Slave to the tyranny of classical music [Re: ten left thumbs]
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haha
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#1378823 - 02/20/10 12:45 PM Re: Slave to the tyranny of classical music [Re: ten left thumbs]
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TLT, you are awesome. laugh
Originally Posted By: ten left thumbs
Edit: Sorry, forgot to mention creativity. There must be no creativity. The time for that has passed.

Unless you are on your deathbed and can guarantee that the last note will be written with your dying breath. Your other option is to come back as a ghost and possess some innocent soul to write the music for you.

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#1378881 - 02/20/10 02:01 PM Re: Slave to the tyranny of classical music [Re: Frozenicicles]
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Originally Posted By: Frozenicicles
Unless you are on your deathbed and can guarantee that the last note will be written with your dying breath. Your other option is to come back as a ghost and possess some innocent soul to write the music for you.

Someone else already had that idea:

Just went to a play last night by Mark Twain (a dead writer) and David Ives (a living playwright): Is He Dead?. It was performed by live actors (thankfully), but obviously with no creativity, since they were just repeating the words written by someone else.

From the review:
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The preposterous plot focuses on a real artist, Jean-Francois Millet, whose masterworks included "The Sower" and "The Angelus." Although a genius, Millet is depicted as unrecognized and starving. Knowing how dead artists are revered, his three fellow artists hit on the idea of faking Millet's death and raking in the cash.

Surprisingly funny.
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#1378953 - 02/20/10 03:52 PM Re: Slave to the tyranny of classical music [Re: ten left thumbs]
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Originally Posted By: ten left thumbs
First of all I would like to reassure everyone here that I am a triangle and piano player of the *female* variety. Probably everyone knows what that means, but anyone who is unsure may please speak up, and I'll let them know. My education in anatomy was far more detailed than that on history.



I'm strangely aroused...

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#1378956 - 02/20/10 03:53 PM Re: Slave to the tyranny of classical music [Re: Mark...]
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PS: When today's new age guys die they then become tomorrows classic guys...??


Edited by Mark... (02/20/10 03:54 PM)

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#1378961 - 02/20/10 04:00 PM Re: Slave to the tyranny of classical music [Re: Mark...]
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Nope, they become tomorrow's old age guys.
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#1378970 - 02/20/10 04:16 PM Re: Slave to the tyranny of classical music [Re: Mark...]
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Originally Posted By: Mark...


I'm strangely aroused...


Try some scales. Works for me every time. laugh
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#1379078 - 02/20/10 07:05 PM Re: Slave to the tyranny of classical music [Re: ten left thumbs]
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Ten left thumbs
sorry reassign your gender earlier wink I do try to get it right if possible :-/
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Try some scales. Works for me every time. laugh

Good advice. Arpeggios are even more effective. For goodness sake don't play any Beethoven.

That was a scary story Elissa! The hands on shoulders thing is ... <shivers>
Sorry to do away with you earlier in the thread but it's the tyranny of deadness for composers - what can we do?

An ancient nun made me play a rather aweful piece called The Angelus when I was young. I found my old copy recently and played it through and wondered how any adult could like such a monster of dull writing, although as a kid I remember playing it to death - I wonder if that is why I have had an aversion to F major and Bflat major ever since. They say that early experiences are powerful.

Gidday to all ABFers on this lovely Aussie morning. it's a pleasure to hang out with you all on this Awesome Thread smile
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#1379109 - 02/20/10 07:34 PM Re: Slave to the tyranny of classical music [Re: ten left thumbs]
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Originally Posted By: ten left thumbs
Originally Posted By: Mark...


I'm strangely aroused...


Try some scales. Works for me every time. laugh


I did the E flat scale today...thanks!

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