SEARCH
Piano & Music Gifts & Accessories

PianoSupplies.com (a division of Piano World) Piano & music accessories, music theme decoratons, tuning & repair tools, moving equipment, party goods,music gift items, ... more
Free shipping on Jansen Artist Benches.
(ad) irocku - Rock Piano Lessons
irocku rock piano lessons
ad (Pianoteq)
Create your own piano with Pianoteq!
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
(ad 125) Sweetwater
Digital Pianos at Sweetwater
Who's Online
165 registered (A443, Amaruk, albynism, ando, Ann in Kentucky, AndreiN), 1936 Guests and 9 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Ad (Pearl River)
Pearl River Pianos
Forum Stats
64891 Members
40 Forums
132547 Topics
1894340 Posts

Max Online: 15252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
(ads by Google)
Forums by Piano World

www.pianoworld.com
Advertise on Piano World
Page 2 of 2 < 1 2
Topic Options
#1393232 - 03/10/10 09:16 PM Re: Steinway A 1900, Bluthner or Bosendorfer [Re: Ori]
WhiteBear Offline
Full Member

Registered: 07/18/07
Posts: 161
Loc: Ontario, Canada
It seems that whichever great piano you are to choose, passionate and friendly dealers are out there to make your experience truly one of a kind smile smile

Top
(ads 3) Hailun Pianos
Hailun Pianos
#1394070 - 03/11/10 10:19 PM Re: Steinway A 1900, Bluthner or Bosendorfer [Re: WhiteBear]
PianoPanda Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 03/07/10
Posts: 5
Passionate indeed.

New Generation> I did not mention this in the beginning, but the 3 pianos mentioned are the ones we are left with after trying many pianos. Steingraeber was one of them. We also tried new Steinways, C. Bechstein, Fazioli, Schimmel, Mason & Hamlin, Petrof, Yamaha and Kawai. Steingraeber is a great piano, it was just not the exact sound we were looking for (though I have to admit that the pianos we ended up with are very difficult indeed).

In my profession, we tend to ask competitors why they are better than other; is it because they do the same as others just better, or is it because they do something different? Yamaha (S), Schimmel, Steingraeber's and Kawai’s answer is clearly that they do the exact same as the majority, they just try to do it better (ie no different technical solutions). In that sense, you are simply betting that the Steingraeber's technicians are the Tiger Woods (ex girls) of the piano world, and better than all other technicians out there. I have met some mightily fine Steinway rebuilders, so it is a pretty though game to try to win at. And impossible for me to judge given that I have no chance of interviewing the technicians directly.

Some other pianos at least try to do something different (more or less successful). Mason Hamlin has the crown retention system. I have heard some pretty old pianos with great sound from them. Bluthner’s rim is very different than others. C Bechstein makes it own action (for better or worse). Steinway’s Hammers are different (though this seems to be changing). I know a lot of these things are for marketing purposes, but if you don’t try - you will definitely not succeed.

So I will select the Pear River wink




Edited by PianoPanda (03/11/10 10:23 PM)

Top
#1394285 - 03/12/10 10:07 AM Re: Steinway A 1900, Bluthner or Bosendorfer [Re: PianoPanda]
newgeneration Offline
Full Member

Registered: 10/04/09
Posts: 387
Loc: Richmond Hill, Ontario
You tried the Steingraeber and it wasn't for you (your children). You see, there is nothing wrong at all in this open discussion.
Some will opt for the Ferrari, another the Lamborghini, another the Lotus and yet another an Aston Martin. They are all phenomenal, phenomenal cars - each very different, but all first class.
I wish you and your family many years of enjoyment with the piano you choose.

smile Ori, com'on, I know you want to say something - let's have it.....I can take it.
_________________________
John
J.D. Grandt Piano Supply Company
Steingraeber & Söhne (Canada) www.facebook.com/SteingraeberCanada
Lomence Modern Crystal Piano (North America) www.facebook.com/LomencePianos
Piano Bass String Manufacturing Specialist (Worldwide) www.jdgrandt.com

Top
#1394431 - 03/12/10 02:08 PM Re: Steinway A 1900, Bluthner or Bosendorfer [Re: PianoPanda]
tc_eliot Online   content
Full Member

Registered: 11/07/09
Posts: 36
Loc: California
Originally Posted By: PianoPanda

In my profession, we tend to ask competitors why they are better than other; is it because they do the same as others just better, or is it because they do something different? Yamaha (S), Schimmel, Steingraeber's and Kawai’s answer is clearly that they do the exact same as the majority, they just try to do it better (ie no different technical solutions). In that sense, you are simply betting that the Steingraeber's technicians are the Tiger Woods (ex girls) of the piano world, and better than all other technicians out there.


You've narrowed down your choices to three wonderful pianos, but I feel that you're doing Kawai and Steingraeber (and probably Schimmel and Yamaha, as well) a disservice when you describe them as "having no different technical solutions." Kawai's Millennium III action is considered an important innovation. The Fall 2009 Piano Buyer Supplement writes "Steingraeber is known for its many innovative technical improvements to the piano." Several people have mentioned being impressed by the Phoenix system.

Many fine piano manufacturers buy Renner actions, but these actions are built to the specification of the manufacturer -- they are not off-the-shelf components. I would view that as a manufacturing decision rather than a lack of innovation.

In any case, best of luck with your decision. I don't think you can go wrong with any of your choices.

Regards,
tc_eliot

Top
#1394479 - 03/12/10 03:47 PM Re: Steinway A 1900, Bluthner or Bosendorfer [Re: tc_eliot]
newgeneration Offline
Full Member

Registered: 10/04/09
Posts: 387
Loc: Richmond Hill, Ontario
tc,
Couldn't agree with you more.
_________________________
John
J.D. Grandt Piano Supply Company
Steingraeber & Söhne (Canada) www.facebook.com/SteingraeberCanada
Lomence Modern Crystal Piano (North America) www.facebook.com/LomencePianos
Piano Bass String Manufacturing Specialist (Worldwide) www.jdgrandt.com

Top
#1394504 - 03/12/10 04:34 PM Re: Steinway A 1900, Bluthner or Bosendorfer [Re: tc_eliot]
Silverwood Pianos Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/10/08
Posts: 3018
Loc: Vancouver B. C. Canada
Originally Posted By: tc_eliot


You've narrowed down your choices to three wonderful pianos, but I feel that you're doing Kawai and Steingraeber (and probably Schimmel and Yamaha, as well) a disservice when you describe them as "having no different technical solutions." Kawai's Millennium III action is considered an important innovation. The Fall 2009 Piano Buyer Supplement writes "Steingraeber is known for its many innovative technical improvements to the piano." Several people have mentioned being impressed by the Phoenix system.

Many fine piano manufacturers buy Renner actions, but these actions are built to the specification of the manufacturer -- they are not off-the-shelf components. I would view that as a manufacturing decision rather than a lack of innovation.

In any case, best of luck with your decision. I don't think you can go wrong with any of your choices.

Regards,
tc_eliot


A well stated counter-argument. Very Good.
_________________________
Dan Silverwood
www.silverwoodpianos.com
http://silverwoodpianos.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/SilverwoodPianosDotCom
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur."

Top
#1394578 - 03/12/10 06:41 PM Re: Steinway A 1900, Bluthner or Bosendorfer [Re: Ori]
Pianolance Online   content
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 07/28/09
Posts: 841
Loc: Nashville, TN
I say ingore the three pianos and go for a true high end piano like a Hailun shocked Just kidding of course. My advise is to keep shopping. I'm sure that there is a piano out there that will blow all three of your eager pianists away. It might be a Steinway or a Bosendorfer, but it also might be another brand like Estonia, Baldwin, Yamaha S series or Shiguru. You need the wisdom of Soloman for this one as you are correct - one child will probably feel validated and the other two might get unmotivated. In your price range there are many, many great pianos. Even though I'm 49 I volunteer to come to your house and behave like a teenager until you agree to adopt me. ha
_________________________
Knabe 5'2" Louis XV Walnut circa 1927
Very part time piano broker.

Top
Page 2 of 2 < 1 2



Moderator:  Ken Knapp, Piano World, Rickster 
What's Hot!!
JOIN Us on Our New Piano Tour of Europe!
-------------------
Forums Rules & Help
-------------------
ADVERTISE
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
-------------------
Piano Books
-------------------
panic
(ads) PD - WNG - MH
Revolutionize Your Piano
Sheet Music
(PW is an affiliate)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
sheet music search
sheet music search

sheet music search
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Piano
(ad) GROTRIAN
GROTRIAN Pianos
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
Recent Posts
weighing a piano purchase
by Annitenth
05/27/12 06:13 PM
This week: Chicago Amateur Piano Competition, Keys to City
by Damon
05/27/12 06:11 PM
Grand piano sounds better in recording than "live"??
by j&j
05/27/12 06:07 PM
Kawai new model imminent - CA-65 replacing CA-63 ?
by Kawai James
05/27/12 06:06 PM
Galaxy ll Installation Query ???
by musicmad
05/27/12 06:03 PM
Quick Links to Useful Stuff
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers
*Organs

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Piano Accessories
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Contest
*Links
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Virtual Piano Chords



 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |
 
PianoSupplies.com


Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| Del.icio.us |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |


copyright 1997 - 2012 Piano World all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission