Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
the Forums & Piano World

This custom search works much better than the built in one and allows searching older posts.
(ad) Pianoteq
Latest Pianoteq add-on instrument: U4 upright piano
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
PianoSupplies.com (150)
Piano Accessories Music Related Gifts Piano Tuning Equipment Piano Moving Equipment
We now offer Gift Certificates in our online store!
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Piano
Quick Links to Useful Stuff
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers
*Organs

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano Accessories
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Contest
*Links
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
Topic Options
#1396871 - 03/16/10 11:07 AM Improving Left Hand
Batuhan Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/21/09
Posts: 861
Loc: Istanbul
I need suggestions for improving left hand strength and velocity except Hanon. I do scales 4 octave both hand but my left hand exhaust early and cant catch up my right hand velocity.


Edited by Batuhan (03/16/10 11:15 AM)
_________________________
Sorry for my English, I know it sucks, but I'm trying to improve.

Published:
Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major,
2 Preludes, Op. 12 in D-flat major.

Top
(ad) Piano & Music Accessories
piano accessories music gifts tuning and moving equipment
#1396888 - 03/16/10 11:32 AM Re: Improving Left Hand [Re: Batuhan]
Pogorelich. Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/28/08
Posts: 4491
Loc: in the past
Memorize the left hand (in tempo) of all the pieces you're working on.
_________________________

'I want to invest my emotions only in music; it will never disappoint me or hurt me - it is a safe place to be.'

Top
#1397046 - 03/16/10 03:24 PM Re: Improving Left Hand [Re: Pogorelich.]
DameMyra Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/21/04
Posts: 1905
Loc: South Jersey
I learned Op. 10, No. 12 last semester, and even though I never got it up to the metronome marking indicated (160), it really helped my left hand immeasureably. And it is a great piece of music you can add to your rep.
_________________________
Private Piano Teacher
Faculty, Rowan Prep Community School of Music
MTNA/NJMTA/SJMTA
Managing Director, Northern Lights Music Festival

Top
#1397124 - 03/16/10 05:10 PM Re: Improving Left Hand [Re: DameMyra]
Russ Roberts Offline
Full Member

Registered: 12/02/09
Posts: 242
Loc: Texas
I am only at an intermediate level, but have taken up Hanon seriously for the first time in my life, and I do that and scales with ONLY the left hand--and work it 2-3 times as hard as the right, and have been making excellent gains. Of course that is all relative to where my left hand started out--which was pretty deplorable.

Russ
_________________________
Estonia L190--Serial # 7117
Ragtime should never be played fast--Scott Joplin

Repertoire (Ready for Carnegie Hall smile ): Fur Elise; Beethoven Minuet in G; Chopin: Prelude 28-7; Joplin: The Entertainer

Polishing: Chopin: Waltz in A minor (Post)

Working: Brahms: Waltz 39-15; Chopin: Albumblatt

Top
#1397153 - 03/16/10 06:04 PM Re: Improving Left Hand [Re: Russ Roberts]
joaquin112 Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 03/15/10
Posts: 16
When I was starting, what I used to do was play piano pieces with my left hand instead of my right. Very simple ones at first and more difficult ones later on. This helped me improve my coordination greatly.
_________________________
Free Sheet Music

Top
#1397160 - 03/16/10 06:17 PM Re: Improving Left Hand [Re: joaquin112]
Opus_Maximus Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/27/04
Posts: 1458
All of the above comments are excellent points, I'll just add on and say that - if you are right handed - you should never expect your left hand's dexterity to match that of your right, no matter how hard you work. Certain things are by nature weaker than others, and at times you will feel like the right hand's fingers are becokning for your left hand to come running with them, when it's as if they left hand fingers have barely learned to walk..

So you must compromise by not only working your left hand 2 or 3 times harder than your right, but also, in repertoire itself, just spend more time on the left hand and employ a greater variety of practice techniques (rhythms, groupings, hold and poke, etc.) Angelina's advice about memorizing the left hand alone in tempo is a very good one..

Top
#1397174 - 03/16/10 06:38 PM Re: Improving Left Hand [Re: Russ Roberts]
Batuhan Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/21/09
Posts: 861
Loc: Istanbul
Originally Posted By: Russ Roberts
I am only at an intermediate level, but have taken up Hanon seriously for the first time in my life, and I do that and scales with ONLY the left hand--and work it 2-3 times as hard as the right, and have been making excellent gains. Of course that is all relative to where my left hand started out--which was pretty deplorable.

Russ


I finished Hanon but its not helped me for developing strength and velocity to my left hand. Therefore i said except Hanon above.

@AngelinaPogorelich

Good suggestion maybe i will start to Godowsky's Op. 10 No. 12 transcription for the left-hand alone tomorrow. Like DameMyra. With metronome i think it can helps me a lot.

@Opus_Maximus

Im right handed. I heard Art Tatum's left hand and right hand have same dexterity. And he is right handed maybe this is lie anyway thanks for your help.

I wait other suggestions too any help is very important for me.


Edited by Batuhan (03/16/10 06:41 PM)
_________________________
Sorry for my English, I know it sucks, but I'm trying to improve.

Published:
Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major,
2 Preludes, Op. 12 in D-flat major.

Top
#1397180 - 03/16/10 06:49 PM Re: Improving Left Hand [Re: Batuhan]
bpmusic Offline
Full Member

Registered: 11/20/09
Posts: 62
Loc: Canada
Whether someone's left or right hand is weaker than the other is a very individual thing. I'm right handed but it's no stronger or more dexterous than my left.

Top
#1397187 - 03/16/10 06:53 PM Re: Improving Left Hand [Re: bpmusic]
Batuhan Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/21/09
Posts: 861
Loc: Istanbul
Originally Posted By: bpmusic
Whether someone's left or right hand is weaker than the other is a very individual thing. I'm right handed but it's no stronger or more dexterous than my left.


So you are ambidextrous ha
_________________________
Sorry for my English, I know it sucks, but I'm trying to improve.

Published:
Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major,
2 Preludes, Op. 12 in D-flat major.

Top
#1397260 - 03/16/10 08:04 PM Re: Improving Left Hand [Re: Batuhan]
wr Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/23/07
Posts: 7426
Originally Posted By: Batuhan


I finished Hanon but its not helped me for developing strength and velocity to my left hand. Therefore i said except Hanon above.



You don't "finish" Hanon - you just move to playing them in all keys and with varied articulations and accents, faster and faster and faster, ad infinitum.

But anyway, pick up a copy of the Moszkowski op. 92 etudes for the left hand - they will definitely improve your hand if you work on them conscientiously, using the fingerings given.

But remember, an important part of the process is what goes on in your mind, not just the physical element.

Top
#1397261 - 03/16/10 08:05 PM Re: Improving Left Hand [Re: Batuhan]
custard apple Online   blank
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/11/09
Posts: 2265
Loc: Sydney
Have you tried Czerny's School of Velocity ?
You're right about Art Tatum. The best jazz players have incredible left hands which are as dexterous as their right.
I'm working on strengthening my left hand.

Top
#1397278 - 03/16/10 08:28 PM Re: Improving Left Hand [Re: custard apple]
Batuhan Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/21/09
Posts: 861
Loc: Istanbul
@wr
Actually i saw an article about Hanon exercises after i finished his book and i stopped working Hanon. Here is the link http://www.pianofundamentals.com/book/en/1.III.7.8

I will look Moszkowski op. 92 etudes thanks.

@custard apple

No i didnt try Czerny's School of Velocity but i heard about his 24 Studies for the Left Hand, Op. 718. But i dont know this is help me or not.

Yes i read this article yesterday on wiki: Around 1950 when Bud Powell was opening for Tatum at Birdland, Powell reportedly said to Tatum: "Man, I'm going to really show you about tempo and playing fast. Anytime you're ready." Tatum laughed and replied: "Look, you come in here tomorrow, and anything you do with your right hand, I'll do with my left." Powell never took up the challenge.

What are you working on for strengthening your left hand ? Maybe you want to share with me.
_________________________
Sorry for my English, I know it sucks, but I'm trying to improve.

Published:
Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major,
2 Preludes, Op. 12 in D-flat major.

Top
#1397309 - 03/16/10 09:21 PM Re: Improving Left Hand [Re: Batuhan]
wr Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/23/07
Posts: 7426
Originally Posted By: Batuhan
@wr
Actually i saw an article about Hanon exercises after i finished his book and i stopped working Hanon. Here is the link http://www.pianofundamentals.com/book/en/1.III.7.8



Hanon has been used for many decades by many of the best pianists and teachers. Personally, I wouldn't take the word of Chang, who is neither a professional pianist nor a respected piano teacher, over their example. But that's just me...

Top
#1397313 - 03/16/10 09:28 PM Re: Improving Left Hand [Re: wr]
Horowitzian Offline
8000 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/18/08
Posts: 8453
Originally Posted By: wr
Originally Posted By: Batuhan
@wr
Actually i saw an article about Hanon exercises after i finished his book and i stopped working Hanon. Here is the link http://www.pianofundamentals.com/book/en/1.III.7.8



Hanon has been used for many decades by many of the best pianists and teachers. Personally, I wouldn't take the word of Chang, who is neither a professional pianist nor a respected piano teacher, over their example. But that's just me...







Agreed 100%; there's a whole lot of rot in that article.

That said, I wouldn't call Hanon a panacea, but it's damn good for what it is. And who says you have to follow Hanon's instructions (like lifting the fingers)?


Edited by Horowitzian (03/16/10 09:30 PM)
_________________________
Close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and nuclear weapons.

Top
#1397318 - 03/16/10 09:32 PM Re: Improving Left Hand [Re: Horowitzian]
Batuhan Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/21/09
Posts: 861
Loc: Istanbul
After Horowitzian i decided to return Hanon exercises grin
_________________________
Sorry for my English, I know it sucks, but I'm trying to improve.

Published:
Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major,
2 Preludes, Op. 12 in D-flat major.

Top
#1397319 - 03/16/10 09:35 PM Re: Improving Left Hand [Re: Batuhan]
Horowitzian Offline
8000 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/18/08
Posts: 8453
Return them where? grin And no, Hanon probably won't make you play like that clown in your avatar, just like it won't make me play like the great artist in mine. laugh


Edited by Horowitzian (03/16/10 09:37 PM)
_________________________
Close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and nuclear weapons.

Top
#1397324 - 03/16/10 09:44 PM Re: Improving Left Hand [Re: Batuhan]
Horowitzian Offline
8000 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/18/08
Posts: 8453
Originally Posted By: Batuhan
I need suggestions for improving left hand strength and velocity except Hanon. I do scales 4 octave both hand but my left hand exhaust early and cant catch up my right hand velocity.


Try this exercise, with a metronome at a slow tempo. As slow as necessary. When I first did this exercise, I seem to remember starting with quarter note = 55 or something. Play each up and down, of course.

  • 1 octave in quarter notes (crotchets)
  • 2 octaves in eighth notes (quavers)
  • 3 octaves in triplets
  • 4 octaves in sixteenth notes (semiquavers)


Another helpful scales hint I have picked up: watch your weaker hand as you play them and not your stronger hand. It is our natural tendency to "ignore" the weak hand; giving it more visual attention will work wonders for equalizing the hands. It may — and probably does — sound weird, but it really works!


Edited by Horowitzian (03/16/10 09:44 PM)
_________________________
Close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and nuclear weapons.

Top
#1397325 - 03/16/10 09:45 PM Re: Improving Left Hand [Re: Horowitzian]
Batuhan Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/21/09
Posts: 861
Loc: Istanbul
Originally Posted By: Horowitzian
Return them where? grin And no, Hanon probably won't make you play like that clown in your avatar, just like it won't make me play like the great artist in mine. laugh


Clown ha
_________________________
Sorry for my English, I know it sucks, but I'm trying to improve.

Published:
Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major,
2 Preludes, Op. 12 in D-flat major.

Top
#1397329 - 03/16/10 09:48 PM Re: Improving Left Hand [Re: Horowitzian]
Batuhan Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/21/09
Posts: 861
Loc: Istanbul
Originally Posted By: Horowitzian
Originally Posted By: Batuhan
I need suggestions for improving left hand strength and velocity except Hanon. I do scales 4 octave both hand but my left hand exhaust early and cant catch up my right hand velocity.


Try this exercise, with a metronome at a slow tempo. As slow as necessary. When I first did this exercise, I seem to remember starting with quarter note = 55 or something. Play each up and down, of course.

  • 1 octave in quarter notes (crotchets)
  • 2 octaves in eighth notes (quavers)
  • 3 octaves in triplets
  • 4 octaves in sixteenth notes (semiquavers)


Another helpful scales hint I have picked up: watch your weaker hand as you play them and not your stronger hand. It is our natural tendency to "ignore" the weak hand; giving it more visual attention will work wonders for equalizing the hands. It may — and probably does — sound weird, but it really works!


Yes i always watch my left hand when i play scales this is interesting. I will try your suggestions.


Edited by Batuhan (03/16/10 09:51 PM)
_________________________
Sorry for my English, I know it sucks, but I'm trying to improve.

Published:
Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major,
2 Preludes, Op. 12 in D-flat major.

Top
#1397403 - 03/16/10 11:41 PM Re: Improving Left Hand [Re: Batuhan]
custard apple Online   blank
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/11/09
Posts: 2265
Loc: Sydney
It's about two weeks ago that I've bought Hanon and I think my left hand is already stronger. And I'm still on the 1st exercise.
I'm doing it from the jazz rhythm point of view. A professional jazz performer told me to get it up to half note = 60, and then to do it in every key chromatically: C#,D,D# etc.

Re your point about jazzers, Earl Hines who greatly influenced Art Tatum, sought out the best left hand player and the best right hand player in Pittsburg Pennsylvania, and combined their strengths.

Top
#1397407 - 03/16/10 11:45 PM Re: Improving Left Hand [Re: Batuhan]
Horowitzian Offline
8000 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/18/08
Posts: 8453
Batuhan: I played through some scales earlier, and another hint I can offer is to watch your left hand going up and your right hand going down. Force the hand that is behind to lead the other hand rather than the other way around.
_________________________
Close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and nuclear weapons.

Top
#1397451 - 03/17/10 12:44 AM Re: Improving Left Hand [Re: Horowitzian]
Rui725 Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/19/09
Posts: 953
Sometimes I practice Bach's Prelude in C from Well Tempered with the left hand only, albeit with really strange fingering.


Edited by Rui725 (03/17/10 12:44 AM)

Top
#1397759 - 03/17/10 12:29 PM Re: Improving Left Hand [Re: Rui725]
ConcertEtudes Offline
Full Member

Registered: 09/06/09
Posts: 82
If you are serious of doing Godowsky's version of Op. 10 No. 12, you might want to try doing Op. 10 No. 1 but playing the right hand part one octave lower using the left hand. (or the Godowsky's versions of the same etude, whichever is more musically pleasing to you)

It's obviously difficult at first, but start slowly and gradually left hand parts in other pieces won't seem so difficult anymore.

Top

Moderator:  Brendan, Kreisler 
What's Hot!!
HOW TO POST PICTURES on the Piano Forums
-------------------
Sharing is Caring!
About the Buttons
-------------------
Forums Rules & Help
-------------------
ADVERTISE
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
-------------------
PIANO BOOKS
Interesting books about the piano, pianists, piano history, biographies, memoirs and more!
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
Sheet Music
(PW is an affiliate)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
Download & Print Sheet Music Instantly
sheet music search
sheet music search

sheet music search
(ad) HAILUN Pianos
Hailun Pianos - Click for More
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
Who's Online
65 registered (bennevis, ando, anotherscott, Alex Hernandez, 18 invisible), 1096 Guests and 47 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
74250 Members
42 Forums
153599 Topics
2251185 Posts

Max Online: 15252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Happy Easter!
by Marko in Boston
14 minutes 41 seconds ago
Easter Themed Recordings - Kawai CA95
by wolferblade
Today at 04:55 AM
First recordings - Some music for Easter
by wolferblade
Today at 01:01 AM
Recorded a song on my workstation tonight
by Arizona Sage
Today at 12:04 AM
How to tune a piano.....
by Grandpianoman
Yesterday at 11:46 PM
(ads by Google)

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |


copyright 1997 - 2014 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission