Prostitution?

Apples & oranges matey. Studying how a thing is made is different than recreating what already has been made.

Indeed. However, I'd sooner see a "recreation" of something truly beautiful (not that a great performer merely recreates anything, at all, despite your obvious ignorance towards what the great performers actually used to do) than an originally created dollop of faecal matter. I think you ought to that collosal chip off your shoulder for long enough to try opening your ears to the quality and spirit of a performance. Who happened to write the music is irrelevant. If you heard some unknown music, would you have to ask whether the performer composed it, before you could be accordingly appreciative or scathing about the quality of the performance? Or did God give you ears for a purpose?

One man's fecal matter is another's treasure.

If that man happens to be the old guy who sits beside the bins drinking gin and howling like a wolf all day, perhaps.

Tell me, do you judge with your ears or upon principles? If the latter is the case, you're not a real musician. You seem to keep repeating that classical musicians are all snobs, while making it abundantly clear how overwhelmingly snobbish your own attitude is. Do you think anyone here would frown upon an unknown piece of music if they enjoyed it, upon hearing it had been improvised or composed by the performer? Yet you're okay to judge a performance based on the external irrelevance of who wrote it, rather than how it sounded to you and whether it conveyed emotions? You're the only snob in the room...

Of course you're right paparazzi. You're always right.

Judging from your inability to respond with anything other than sarcasm, it would certainly appear that way, yes.

I try not to judge. I never said all classical musicians are snobs. But this isn't Classical Piano World is it? At least not yet.

I really hate to see this nasty bickering here on the ABF. It is really not necessary. When it gets to the point of discussing fecal matter, it doesn’t get much nastier than that.

I have an appreciation for piano teachers, classical piano music, and all who enjoy learning to play a piano, whether with a teacher or not. All learners are taught by others, whether it be self, or a specific teacher or picking up lots of pointers and bits of information from others here and there. It is all a cumulative learning process that is not all inclusive of one method over another.

Best regards,

Rick

Thank you Rick, +1

I think it drives eweiss nuts knowing the vast majority of people studying piano go the classical route and not going to his web site for new age composition lessons...just sour grapes...

But I'm sure his bashing the classical approach will help drive him new business in droves...

Is "nasty bickering" a redundancy?

When is bickering ever not nasty?

And are there certain, special conditions under which it may actually be "necessary"?

And can't it really get a whole lot nastier than the mere discussion of "fecal matter"?

Isn't bickering - like endless debate - not only sometimes fun, but often therapeutic?

Don't some people like to see it and enjoy it and look forward to it and encourage or enable it?

Just asking...

JF

i didn't describe anything as being fecal matter. I gave it as a very pertinent refutal of the nonsense that says just because you made something from scratch, it's more creative than playing a pre-existing composition. That's not bickering. It's illustrating how absurd the argument was in the clearest possible terms.

Here is the deal....

Different things work for different people. Different people have different goals, abilities, and schedules. There is NO cookie cutter approach that is ideal for everyone.

This bickering is going to stop NOW. Nobody is completely right and nobody is completely wrong.

I don't care why the term "fecal matter" was brought into the conversation, it was inappropriate and tacky whatever the reason.

People come here to discuss their progress as adult beginners and to share about how they learn and to find out better ways to learn. They are not here to listen to people with strong opinions take shots at each other.

The next shot over someone's bow is going to get them a free vacation on me...

Ken