I have a friend in China who has asked me for the actual prices that PR pianos have sold for in this country. I don't know if it is considered 'bad form' to post prices here, so I invite readers to e-mail me directly with their actual purchase price and the date of the sale. I already have some purchase prices for PR Grands (5'7", 7', and 9') which I'll be glad to share upon request. Thanks for your help. Walt

ps - does anyone know the policy regarding posting purchase prices?

Here it is again, in big, red, bold letters:

You are welcome to post actual selling/buying prices as long as what you post are genuine and truthful.[/b]

Thanks. The big bold letters are especially helpful! lol

I found these suggested retail prices at 'piano blue book'. They seem extremely optimistic to me - by close to 50% in some cases. Anyone know what these are actually bringing in the marketplace. I know of a 5'7" that sold for $6,500 and a 7' for @ $10,000. I've also seen a 7' offered for significantly lower than that. (the format didn't cut and paste very well, but you get the idea)


PEARL RIVER
C/O Pearl River Piano Group America, Ltd.
1521 South Carlos Ave.
Ontario, CA 91761
Telephone: 909-435-5086 or 800-435-5086

MADE IN CHINA

MODEL

1. UP-108
2. UP-108
3. UP-108
4. UP-108
5. UP-108
6. UP-108
7. UP-108
8. UP-108
9. UP-108
10. UP-108
11. UP-108

12. UP-110
13. UP-110
14. UP-110
15. UP-110
16. UP-110
17. UP-110
18. UP-110P5
19. UP-110P5

20. UP-115
21. UP-115
22. UP-115
23. UP-115

24. UP-118
25. UP-118
26. UP-118
27. UP-118
28. UP-118

29. UP-125

30. UP-130
31. UP-130
SIZE

1. 42 1/2"
2. 42 1/2"
3. 42 1/2"
4. 42 1/2"
5. 42 1/2"
6. 42 1/2"
7. 42 1/2"
8. 42 1/2"
9. 42 1/2"
10. 42 1/2"
11. 42 1/2"

12. 43"
13. 43"
14. 43"
15. 43"
16. 43"
17. 43"
18. 43"
19. 43"

20. 45"
21. 45"
22. 45"
23. 45"

24. 47"
25. 47"
26. 47"
27. 47"
28. 47"
29. 49"
30. 51"
31. 51"

STYLE/FINISH

1. Continental Ebony - High Gloss
2. Continental Mahogany - High Gloss
3. Continental Walnut or Cherry - High Gloss
4. Continental White - High Gloss
5. Chippendale Ebony - High Gloss
6. Chippendale Mahogany - High Gloss
7. Chippendale Walnut or White - High Gloss
8. Euro-Studio Ebony - High Gloss
9. Euro-Studio Mahogany - High Gloss
10. Euro-Studio Walnut - High Gloss
11. Euro-Studio White - High Gloss

12. Walnut
13. Cherry or Oak
14. Country French Oak
15. Country French Cherry or Maple
16. "Amerasian" Ebony
17. "Amerasian" Mahogany
18. Walnut
19. Cherry

20. School Ebony - High Gloss
21. School Walnut or Mahogany - High Gloss
22. American Walnut - High Gloss
23. Cherry

24. Ebony - High Gloss
25. Mahogany - High Gloss
26. Walnut - High Gloss
27. Cherry - High Gloss
28. White - High Gloss

29. Ebony - High Gloss

30. Ebony - High Gloss
31. Mahogany - High Gloss
RETAIL

1. 2,695
2. 2,750
3. 2,750
4. 2,795
5. 2,825
6. 2,875
7. 2,875
8. 2,950
9. 2,975
10. 2,975
11. 3,025

12. 3,390
13. 3,390
14. 3,595
15. 3,495
16. 3,575
17. 3,625
18. 3,495
19. 3,495

20. 2,960
21. 2,995
22. 3,825
23. 3,825

24. 3,090
25. 3,140
26. 3,140
27. 3,140
28. 3,160

29. 4,525

30. 5,025
31. 5,065

GRAND PIANOS
MODEL

1. GP-142
2. GP-142
3. GP-142
4. GP-142

5. GP-159
6. GP-159
7. GP-159
8. GP-159

9. GP-183
10. GP-183
11. GP-183
12. GP-183

13. GP-188
14. GP-188
15. GP-188
16. GP-188

17. GP-213
18. GP-213
19. GP-213 SIZE

1. 4' 7"
2. 4' 7"
3. 4' 7"
4. 4' 7"

5. 5' 3"
6. 5' 3"
7. 5' 3"
8. 95' 3"

9. 6'
10. 6'
11. 6'
12. 6'

13. 6' 4"
14. 6' 4"
15. 6' 4"
16. 6' 4"

17. 7'
18. 7'
19. 7'
STYLE/FINISH

1. Ebony - High Gloss
2. Mahogany - High Gloss
3. Walnut - High Gloss
4. White - High Gloss

5. Ebony - High Gloss
6. Mahogany - High Gloss
7. Walnut - High Gloss
8. White - High Gloss

9. Ebony - High Gloss
10. Mahogany - High Gloss
11. Walnut - High Gloss
12. White - High Gloss

13. Ebony - High Gloss
14. Mahogany - High Gloss
15. Walnut - High Gloss
16. White - High Gloss

17. Ebony - High Gloss
18. Walnut - High Gloss
19. White - High Gloss

RETAIL

1. 8,225
2. 8,550
3. 8,550
4. 8,550

5. 9,935
6. 10,265
7. 10,265
8. 10,265

9. 13,860
10. 14,185
11. 14,185
12. 14,185

13. 16,350
14. 17,500
15. 17,500
16. 17,500

17. 18,150
18. 18,450
19. 18,450


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I don't know what exactly new selling prices are for Pearl River, but a local Ritmueller dealer here has advertised now for over 1/2 year consistently:
"NEW GRANDS from $ Can 1,988" which is about US 1,720 - one hell of a bargain!!

And judging by the long time he has been advertising, he must have lots of them......

web page

Could a 6' grand be any more than $ 5k according to that?


I don't of course suspect these "NEW GRANDS" to be his Seiler grands...

norbert

Well I gave the 800 number a call, and someone named Calvin said that they had bought a truckload of pianos that had some scratch and dent boo boos from shipment. Did the add mention that? arghh

Even with cosmetic flaws, the price seems to be to be a loss leader, since cosmetic problems could almost always be fixed at less of a financial loss than selling the piano retail for 1720 US would be.

They've been telling the same story for many months now.

The real problem is that the advertised
"NEW GRANDS for Can $1,988" never existed and were always sold out just the day before you would come to the store to shop for them.....

Anybody else here like to call their 800 number and hear what the story is? And do ask them what the brand name of these Can $ 1,988 NEW GRANDS is!

Dealers like that certainly don't seem to do the name brands they represent a great favour.

It certainly *can* affect pricing in the market place and the perceived value [or lack of it...] of such makes and products.

Most definitely, it reflects poorly on those manufacturers who are said to "sell truck loads of damaged goods" - which in all likelihood never existed.

Unless all these pianos, of course, were quite poorly build in the first place.....

So - if I was in the market for a Ritmueller or Pearl River grand in Western Canada, I certainly wouldn't spend diddli-squat.

I would simply wait for the next great 'damaged goods' *truck-load sale*.

Starting at $ Can 1,988 !!

Norbert

here is a website that sells them and posts the prices http://www.astorclub.com/display.aspx?id=185&mcat=9 i saw the one i am getting 500 less on there but i wont buy it from there i want to buy from someone local that way i get the tuning etc. and know that if something is wrong i can call or just goto the store. anyhow just thought this was interesting.

Don't blame you for buying locally. There's a lot to be said for that. Are you getting a Pearl River or Ritmuller. I know they are made by the same people and I wouldn't be surprised if they are essentially the same product but the Ritmuller is a more expensive piano. Walt

wscott i am getting the ritmuller...the owner of the store has been holding it for me as he knew how much i wanted it but my check still hasnt come in he has been holding it a month i called him a few days ago and told him he could sell it and i would just pick out another one he said no if someone wants a piano like yours i will order it that is your piano. i thought that was way cool. i am getting the up118r3, i was tempted to go up to the 125r because i read about it and said it was a better piano but it didnt meet my current needs and wants. the up118r3 is soooo sweet, the sound the touch i just fell in love with it, i cant even explain it. i told the owner the voicing i wanted and went back to practice one night after my lesson and it was perfect the way he voiced it for me. i really love it:)thanks for giving me the oppurtunity to share this. and sorry if i ramble on, thats just me....

I don't mind rambling - I do it myself... most of the time..... but I'm rambling.
I've never had a chance to play a Ritmuller. Hopefully one will come to my area soon. Let me know how you like it as time goes on. Walt

Walt, will do i will also post a recording of it so everyone can hear it:) eventually i want to get the grand but that is 25k so i will wait on it till we get a huge house to fit the monster in:) but the ritmuller grand i still hear it in my head all the time, i didnt play it but i heard it when someone else was and wow is all i can say!!!it was incredible!!!i dared not play it otherwise i wouldve sold off my kids:) just joking!!!but i am definitly looking forward to advancing enough to where i need a grand!! i am still yet a baby beginner:)

Congrats on the 118R3 funburger, that's a very popular model where I work. I also like hearing about a dealer doing some custom voicing to a piano, for a particular persons needs. That's the type of dealer we need more of in the whole industry, people that take pride in the products and brands they sell, not those who cheapen them.

yes the guy is actually the owner of the store, and he does the piano work. very nice to work with!!! i have been blessed to walk into his place. cant wait till the check comes in so he can drop it off!!!well his store will drop it off, then 2 weeks later he will come and tune it for me:) i just cant wait. the old upright i have now is so awful, sometimes if i get my house really hot it will sound good, but when its chillier notes are so sharp they go up a whole note and i think i sound like junk when its the piano that is off key. anyhow cant wait to get it. i am so excited. hopefully by the end of this week!!!

What kind of piano is your old upright? Walt

walt there is a pic of the upright i am using now in the beginners forum on ot show your pics. jansen upright cabinet grand.

I took a look at your piano. It's really a nice looking piano. What kind of playing shape is it in. Will you be keeping it as a second piano? Do you know it's age? Sorry about all the questions - didn't mean to give you homework! Walt

yeah, i really like the piano, but as i said its in and out of tune---depending on the temperature....i have never had it tuned, and i got it from a school at the end of jan this year----on the inside it says a440 1936 and it really has this nice tone to it when it wants to. the last five treble keys dont work unless i open the top and push the hammers back---but i believe there is 2 hammers missing. but i dont use those last five yet anyway. all other keys work. the dealer offered me a hundred for it sight unseen which was fine as i got it for free. i contemplated having it rebuilt but on this forum people said to just buy a new one. i also have a recording of it but its all in the middle keys. the upper keys have a circus sound to them. i wanted to keep the piano as well as the new one but my husband said no. he laughs when i play waltzes an octave higher, as it does sound pretty bad. but i still love this piano as it has this tone to it sometimes that really catches me, so its in those times i do my most practicing.

Hopefully, the dealer will find a good home for the Jansen. All of the key problems you were talking about sound minor, so that piano might help to get someone else started too. In any case, you're going to love your new Ritmuller. Be sure to let us know all about it when it arrives. Walt

we got our 5'9" ritmuller for 8200 including moving. after playing the ritmuller and the pearl river side by side, my wife said the ritmuller was twice the piano the pearl river was. upon inspection (with my untrained eye) the pearl river didn't bother to show the grain on the soundboard, the ritmuller had a beautiful grain and construction. not to mention the renner action (agian, im not very knowledgeable) but it was the way it played that made her decide on it, and my wife has no regrets about it.

snaps, what is the model number on the 5'9", I wasn't aware they made one in that particular size. BTW 8200 was really a great price, I'm basing that on the cost of their 5'3"

As to the soundboards on both pianos, they are both pretty much constructed the same way in most sizes, but as you mentioned in the post, you selected the piano that you liked the most. Hard to argue with that

I think the model # for the 5'9" Ritmuller is 'GP183 R1'. Is the sound board on the Ritmuller laminated (as is the board on Pearl River branded pianos).

It's nice you enjoy your piano - but a 'Renner' action it surely doesn't have.

If that's what your salesman told you - he was lying.

Plain and simple.

Norbert

Norbert just wondering where you are getting your information from??? as when i have done research all over the web it says that the ritmuller grands do have the renner action.no pearl river doesnt but ritmuller does at least thats what i have found. although i dont know about the ritmuller babies:)

just a few websites selling it with renner action.....
http://www.beethovenpianos.com/showpiano.php?id=25
http://www.netzowspianos.com/pearl_river.htm

funburger:

I didn't say "Ritmueller doesn't have a grand with Renner action".

Some of their 7' and bigger probably do....

I said, snap's above mentioned 5'9 for $ 8,200 *aint* - and the uprights 118 and 125 you looked at - *ain't* either.

Or were you told otherwise?

It's easy enough to check out....

Norbert

Norbert thank-you for the reply, i know the upright i bought doesnt have it, i didnt think they made any ritmuller upright with renner action, as i was in the dealer and the owner showed me the ones with renner action and if my memory serves me the babies didnt. the dealer i goto is severly honest. he said the same thing as you now, but before i thought you were saying none of them had renner. sorry it was late....thank-you for the reply as it straightened me out:)

thanks for the information. the dealer came highly referred by some other musicians in the valley. the 183r1 is listed as a 6'0" home concert, but measures as a 5'9" (even on their website). i may have been mistaken on the renner action. my wife says it isn't an actual, but an copy of it. ???? again, im not the musician, nor the expert. that's why im here. she played it, and she picked it.

I think this settles it gentlemen, congratuations to your chosen piano[s]

Norbert

I had a Pearl River dealer drop the name 'Renner action' during a pitch for PR. I've yet to see any evidence of Pearl River actually using Renner actions. I've made an inquiry to Ritmuller regarding which, if any, of those pianos use Renner actions but haven't gotten a response yet. I'd also like to know if Ritmuller uses a solid or laminated soundboard. It isn't always easy to get the info you want.