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#1398363 - 03/18/10 06:11 AM Yamaha CLP330, Kawai CN32 or Kurzweil Mark Pro1i
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Hi Guys,
I have been studying this forum to help in my search for a digital piano, but after having been out loooking (and touching :)) I could still do with some help.

I am looking at buying a good digital piano for my children to practice on (one aged 9 at grade 1(UK) the other aged 6 just started), + I am also trying to keep up with the youngest myself.

My short list is:

-Yamaha CL 330, Which seems to me to feel good and I thought the sound coming out of the piano was more differentiated depending on how hard I hit the keys.

-Kawai CN 32, Which seems to have an ok sound, ok touch, more voices (which helps the children clock up the practice hours) and has a nicer cabinet

-Kurzweil mark pro two i. - This doesn't have 1/2 damper function (which we probably wouldn't need for many years yet) but is supposed to have a nice heavy touch, it has plenty of voices and is available here in polished ebony at a price similar to the above two in plain finish. I have however not been able to locate one to try out yet, as they are not common here in the UK, so would love your comments.

My first priority is to get as realistic a feel as possible (being a beginner, I am not brilliant at judging this) and a good sound. Some choice of different voices does help keep the children entertained; and from my point of view it wouldn't hurt if the piano doesn't look too bad in the living room either.

My gut feeling at the moment is to go with what seems to be the safe option of the Clavinova, but could do with some more opinions from people who are not trying to sell me stuff!

Would really appreciate your advice.
Thanks
:)pist

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#1398397 - 03/18/10 08:01 AM Re: Yamaha CLP330, Kawai CN32 or Kurzweil Mark Pro1i [Re: pist]
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I'd throw in the Kawai CA51 to add to your collection. Now as the CA63 is on the market, you can get very good deals on a CA51. It has wooden keys and thus a quite realistic touch, although not the vast number of voices of the CN32.

However, the choice between the models you mentioned is quite up to personal taste - they are all nice instruments.

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#1398422 - 03/18/10 08:51 AM Re: Yamaha CLP330, Kawai CN32 or Kurzweil Mark Pro1i [Re: LaRate]
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pist (great name by the way...),

You might also like to consider a Roland HP-201.
This is a previous generation instrument, yet is still a a very nice piano. In addition, I expect dealers will be taking steps to clear older stock, so you may be able to pick up a great deal.

LaRate, in addition to the CA51, I would also recommend the CA18, which uses the same wooden key action, but offers the improved 88-key piano sampling sound technology.

Cheers,
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#1398450 - 03/18/10 09:35 AM Re: Yamaha CLP330, Kawai CN32 or Kurzweil Mark Pro1i [Re: Kawai James]
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Thanks Guys - The cheapest I can find the CA51 for is about 6-700 Pounds more than the others, so out of my league and the CA 18 pushes the budget too far too. The HP-201 is about in line with the others in price but have heard the touch is lighter? The shop I visited today did not have that model on display at present so haven't tried it, also I am not sure about the voices; the specs say 20 tones - is that the same as voices? (Gosh - was trying to make things simpler not more complicated lol)

So anyway - still fretting between CN32 and CLP330 - and keen to hear about the Kurzweil - Would the lack of half damping make this a mistake? - It also has less polyphony (64 voice against 96/128), but have heard this should be enough.

Maybe I should let Hubby choose (he has less clue than myself so would either choose by price or looks grin)

pist

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#1398462 - 03/18/10 09:47 AM Re: Yamaha CLP330, Kawai CN32 or Kurzweil Mark Pro1i [Re: pist]
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I think looking for heaviest key action possible is not that important (as long as the piano has a decent graded hammer action). My own CA51 is considered having a comparably light touch - I still find it heavier than the acoustic Yamaha Grand of my teacher.

Half pedaling is an important feature in my opinion and will make pedal play much more realistic - I wouldn't do without it, being a beginner with only a few months practice myself.

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#1398484 - 03/18/10 10:30 AM Re: Yamaha CLP330, Kawai CN32 or Kurzweil Mark Pro1i [Re: LaRate]
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Originally Posted By: LaRate
Half pedaling is an important feature in my opinion and will make pedal play much more realistic - I wouldn't do without it, being a beginner with only a few months practice myself.


Have also just found out that the Kurzweil hammer action is not graded - so all in all probably not worth chasing through half the country looking for.............

That brings me to CLP330 versus CN32 - This is HARD - pros and cons still very welcome.
grinpist

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#1398542 - 03/18/10 11:43 AM Re: Yamaha CLP330, Kawai CN32 or Kurzweil Mark Pro1i [Re: pist]
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I should be not that hard - the two are quite different in sound, so it is truly a matter of personal preference. Personally, I don't like the Yamaha sound too much and prefer the more aggressive Kawai.

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#1398559 - 03/18/10 12:21 PM Re: Yamaha CLP330, Kawai CN32 or Kurzweil Mark Pro1i [Re: pist]
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Originally Posted By: pist

Have also just found out that the Kurzweil hammer action is not graded - so all in all probably not worth chasing through half the country looking for.............


Yamaha's new top of the line CP1 and CP5 are not graded. This is surprising but apparently people say that like the new key action the the new CPs. I think maybe Yamaha may have decided that grading is not required if there are not strings. But Ithink they are using velocity curves to get the same effect. It's a small step but still surprising thar Yamaha moves away from exact emulation of an acoustic piano. Apparently that must be what they think the market wants, or at least that segment of the market that performs on stage.

Back to the OP's question. The CLP330 has specs not even up to the level of my P155. I'd buy it only if you happen to like the Yamaha signature sound. It is good at reproducing that sound. The CN keys are slightly lighter, maybe easier to play but just as good as Yamaha's. the CN's sound is a little more clean and synthetic sounding. Possably Kawai processes their samples more than Yamaha.

Back to the CP1/5. Both of these are a full generation newer sampling technolgy then what is inside any of the CLP series. Yamaha just relesed these two new pianos and from all report the sound is very much better. Some day this sound will make it into the CLP series but no one knows when.

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#1399097 - 03/19/10 06:55 AM Re: Yamaha CLP330, Kawai CN32 or Kurzweil Mark Pro1i [Re: ChrisA]
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I really quite like both the CLP330 and the CN32 and suppose it is now down to which of these come closest in touch to an acoustic. This is where I am struggeling to judge a bit, being quite a beginner and the music shops always seem be biased.

:)pist

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#1399111 - 03/19/10 07:59 AM Re: Yamaha CLP330, Kawai CN32 or Kurzweil Mark Pro1i [Re: pist]
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They are both still some distance away from the touch of an acoustic - all digitals are (maybe top-class like N3 come closer - haven't tried one).
Also among acoustic pianos there is a huge variance on touch characteristics. Not only between grands and uprights, but also between models and even between samples of the same model.
I don't think the choice between those two models will make a difference on your kids' piano playing progress that stems from the slightly different touch and action.

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#1399125 - 03/19/10 08:19 AM Re: Yamaha CLP330, Kawai CN32 or Kurzweil Mark Pro1i [Re: LaRate]
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Pist,
Most dp shops sell accoustics too. So I would suggest having a play on an accoustic and seeing how it compares to the dps you are thinking about buying - in the same terms that you are buying the dp - think about the sound, feel, looks, etc.

When I compared the clp 330 to the CN32, I preferred the feel and sound of the CN32.

AndyT


Edited by AndyT (03/19/10 08:21 AM)

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#1399275 - 03/19/10 01:14 PM Re: Yamaha CLP330, Kawai CN32 or Kurzweil Mark Pro1i [Re: AndyT]
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Originally Posted By: LaRate
They are both still some distance away from the touch of an acoustic - all digitals are

[quote=AndyT]Pist,
Most dp shops sell accoustics too. So I would suggest having a play on an accoustic and seeing how it compares to the dps you are thinking about buying -


I think, your right guys, no dogital is going to be perfect , which I accept, and I have been trying the accoustics along the way too; I am probably dithering because I have never really bought a piano before.

Anyway Just as I have decided that I actually like them both fairly equally for different "piano reasons", so was inclined to (after another comparison session at shop which has both) go with the CN32 as it is slightly cheaper, has more voices and a slightly nicer kabinet. I go on the local shop website which has just announced that a CN33 is out 1st May. The new CN33 seems to be an upgrade of the CN32 with a new action, the shop price is very similar and I expect an internet price will soon follow. I hope this is good news - either new action is better and the answer to my prayers - so good - or/and likely there will soon be some good offers on CN32 -also good!

:)pist


Edited by pist (03/19/10 01:16 PM)

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#1399284 - 03/19/10 01:36 PM Re: Yamaha CLP330, Kawai CN32 or Kurzweil Mark Pro1i [Re: pist]
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pist, may I ask where you read about the CN33?

Cheers,
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#1399376 - 03/19/10 03:58 PM Re: Yamaha CLP330, Kawai CN32 or Kurzweil Mark Pro1i [Re: Kawai James]
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Here's the specs for the CN33 (available in May, apparently), from Kawai's German website but easily interpreted.

Tastatur RH Mechanik, 88 Tasten mit Ivory Touch Oberfläche und Druckpunkt Simulation
Klänge 36
Klangherkunft Progressive Harmonic Imaging™ System (88 Tasten Sampling)
Polyphonie max. 96 Noten
Hall 5: Raum 1, Raum 2, Bühne, Halle 1, Halle 2
Effekte Chorus, Tremolo, Delay 1, Delay 2, Delay 3, Rotary 1, Rotary 2
Lesson Funktion 55 Übungstitel von Czerny und Burgmüller
Dual-Modus Ja, Lautstärkeverhältnis einstellbar
Split-Modus Ja, Splitpunkt frei änderbar
4-Hand-Modus Ja
Anschlagsdynamik Leicht 1, Leicht 2, Normal, Schwer 1, Schwer 2, aus
Recorder 3 Song, 2 Spuren, max. 15.000 Noten
Sonstige Features Dämpfer Effekt, Saitenresonanz, Transponierung, MIDI-Multimodus, Feinstimmung, historische Stimmungen, Layer Octave Shift, Lower Octave Shift, Lower Pedal An/Aus, Damper Hold, Panel Lock,
LED-Display Ja
Metronom Taktarten: 1/4, 2/4, 3/4, 4/4, 5/4, 3/8, 6/8; Tempo: 10-300 BPM
Demosongs 30
Concert Magic Songs 88
Pedale 3: Dämpfer (Halb-Pedal), Sostenuto, Piano
Oberflächen- Farbe Premium Rosenholz, Premium Kirsche, Premium Mahagoni oder Schwarz satiniert
Tastaturabdeckung Ja, versenkbar
Anschlüsse Kopfhörer x 2, Line In, Line Out, MIDI In/Out, USB (to Host)
Lautsprecher 16 cm x 2
Leistung 20 Watt x 2
Maße (BxTxH) in cm 138 x 47 x 88
Gewicht in kg 54
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#1399443 - 03/19/10 05:58 PM Re: Yamaha CLP330, Kawai CN32 or Kurzweil Mark Pro1i [Re: voxpops]
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voxpops,

I believe the KAWAI.de webpages for the new CN instruments are still in the process of being updated, hence these models are not available from the main navigation bar.

One important omission from the specifications list you have pasted is that the CN33 also features 'USB to Device' functionality, allowing song data to be loaded and saved to a USB memory device.

As pist mentioned above, the new CN models utilise a brand new plastic key action - not just a refinement of the previous AHA IV-F, but a complete redesign, with Ivory Touch key surfaces and Let-off simulation. The general consensus among professional pianists is that the this new action feels even more like an acoustic than the popular AHA IV (of any revision), so I'm confident that customers will also appreciate the improved authenticity.

Finally, you may notice that the cabinet design has been refined slightly. The changes are subtle - more a case of evolution, rather than revolution - but definite improvements to what was already a very handsome cabinet.

So in summary then, the main differences between the CN32 and CN33 are:

- Brand new action, with Ivory Touch and Let-off
- USB to Device functionality
- Refined cabinet design

Kind regards,
James
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#1399452 - 03/19/10 06:06 PM Re: Yamaha CLP330, Kawai CN32 or Kurzweil Mark Pro1i [Re: Kawai James]
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Sounds nice, James. Do you know the ballpark price bracket yet? Also, will there be a new stage piano?
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#1399455 - 03/19/10 06:12 PM Re: Yamaha CLP330, Kawai CN32 or Kurzweil Mark Pro1i [Re: voxpops]
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voxpops, please don't quote me on this, however I believe the new models will be slightly more expensive than the previous generation at the time of their release. I expect this is a result of the new action and materials (Ivory Touch key surfaces etc.).

As for new stage pianos, I'm afraid I cannot comment until a formal announcement is made at Frankfurt Music Messe.

Cheers,
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#1399464 - 03/19/10 06:21 PM Re: Yamaha CLP330, Kawai CN32 or Kurzweil Mark Pro1i [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: KAWAI James
As for new stage pianos, I'm afraid I cannot comment until a formal announcement is made at Frankfurt Music Messe.

Cheers,
James
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Ooh, that's so tantalising! Only a few days to wait and then we get to see Kawai's answer to the CP series - yes? grin
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#1399468 - 03/19/10 06:26 PM Re: Yamaha CLP330, Kawai CN32 or Kurzweil Mark Pro1i [Re: voxpops]
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Blood from a stone, I'm afraid...

James
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#1399473 - 03/19/10 06:36 PM Re: Yamaha CLP330, Kawai CN32 or Kurzweil Mark Pro1i [Re: Kawai James]
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I'm dreaming of authentic Rhodes and Wurlitzer models coupled with a knockout grand piano, using Kawai's latest action, 88-note sampling and totally undetectable velocity switching and looping (got to keep the Dewster happy) - and all for the price (and weight) of an MP5.

I'll place my order now!

p.s. Apologies to the OP for veering off at a tangent.
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#1399536 - 03/19/10 07:57 PM Re: Yamaha CLP330, Kawai CN32 or Kurzweil Mark Pro1i [Re: voxpops]
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Here's the English version of the CN33 specs that I posted above. Please read KAWAIJames's post above re additional features not yet included in these specs.

Action RH Action with let-off, 88 weighted keys with Ivory Touch key surfaces
Sounds 36
Sound Source Progressive Harmonic Imaging™ System with 88 key sampling
Polyphony max. 96 Notes
Reverb 5: Room 1, Room 2, Stage, Hall 1, Hall 2
Effects Chorus, Tremolo, Delay 1, Delay 2, Delay 3, Rotary 1, Rotary 2
Lesson Function Alfred Lesson Books
Dual-Mode Yes
Split-Mode Yes, Splitpoint is freely assignable
4-Hand-Mode Yes
Key Velocity Light 1, Light 2, Normal, Heavy 1, Heavy 2, off
Recorder 3 Songs, 2 Tracks, max. 15.000 Notes
Other Features Damper Effect, String Resonance, Transpose, MIDI-Multi-Mode, Tuning, historic Temperaments, Layer Octave Shift, Lower Octave Shift, Lower Pedal On/Off, Damper Hold, Panel Lock
LED-Display Yes
Metronome Beats: 1/4, 2/4, 3/4, 4/4, 5/4, 3/8, 6/8; Tempo: 10-300 BPM
Demo Songs 30
Concert Magic Songs 88
Pedals 3: Damper (Half-Pedal), Sostenuto, Soft
Finish Premium Rosewood, Premium Mahogany, Premium Cherry or Satin Black
Key Lid Yes
Jacks Headphones x 2, Line In, Line Out, MIDI In/Out, USB (to Host), USB (to Device)
Speakers 16 cm x 2
Amplifier 20 Watt x 2
Dimensions (WxDxH) in cm 138 x 47 x 88
Weight in kg 54
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#1399732 - 03/20/10 12:47 AM Re: Yamaha CLP330, Kawai CN32 or Kurzweil Mark Pro1i [Re: voxpops]
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Off the top of my head, I believe those specs are accurate. The built-in Alfred lessons are only available in English speaking markets, with Europe and the rest of the world featuring Czerny, Beyer etc.

Cheers,
James
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#1399787 - 03/20/10 04:07 AM Re: Yamaha CLP330, Kawai CN32 or Kurzweil Mark Pro1i [Re: Kawai James]
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Thanks Guys - I know what to do know! which is wait a bit and try the CN33.

James have you tried it? If so, how would you say it feels?
Oh and what is let-off simulation?

Also could some kindhearted soul explain what exactly is the difference of USB to device and USB to host (for dummies please)?

grinpist

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#1400081 - 03/20/10 03:44 PM Re: Yamaha CLP330, Kawai CN32 or Kurzweil Mark Pro1i [Re: pist]
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It would be much nicer if the new CN33 uses
Ultra Progressive Harmonic Imaging.

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#1400144 - 03/20/10 05:52 PM Re: Yamaha CLP330, Kawai CN32 or Kurzweil Mark Pro1i [Re: sucroid]
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polygon, true, however UPHI is reserved for KAWAI's top-end DPs (currently CA93/CA63). The new CN models will use PHI.

Cheers,
James
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#1430936 - 05/06/10 06:56 PM Re: Yamaha CLP330, Kawai CN32 or Kurzweil Mark Pro1i [Re: Kawai James]
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Thread bump...Anyone got a Kawai CN33, or tried one, and can comment on it? Thanks.

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#1430941 - 05/06/10 07:05 PM Re: Yamaha CLP330, Kawai CN32 or Kurzweil Mark Pro1i [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
UPHI is reserved for KAWAI's top-end DPs (currently CA93/CA63). The new CN models will use PHI.


... but you can't tell us what the difference wink
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#1430966 - 05/06/10 07:24 PM Re: Yamaha CLP330, Kawai CN32 or Kurzweil Mark Pro1i [Re: bkmz]
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UPHI utilises more expensive hardware.

Cheers,
James
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#1433459 - 05/10/10 09:05 AM Re: Yamaha CLP330, Kawai CN32 or Kurzweil Mark Pro1i [Re: Kawai James]
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Finally got to touch some Kawai's in a dealer. The CA63 sounds nice, looks nice, feels nice but is over my budget, but I would say definitely competes with a HP307. Someone looking at this price level, sounds and range should consider it themselves personally. It also looks better than an HP307 IMHO. Other threads suggest the sound of the HP307 is superior but the 'playability' of the CA63 wins out, so you'd have to try it yourself.

The Kawai CN32 is within my budget and the keyboard is much quieter than a Roland HP30x keyboard, slightly lighter I would say but I found it fine. As stated elsewhere the Kawai keyboards are definitely quieter than the Rolands, less thump or clunk when it hits the key bed. The sounds to my ears was also OK but not as rich or expressive as on a HP30x especially the bass.

I'm coming down to the new CN33 upgrade on the CN32, although I've not yet tried as it's not in the dealers yet. Or a Roland HP302. I would have considered a HP305 but other threads speak about a hum which I've also heard. The choice to make is between better sounds on HP302 but poorer sound system (amp/speaker) also poor cabinet style and finish (uses plastic), and noisier keyboard, versus not quite as good sound generation on the Kawai CN32 but more amp/speaker power, much better cabinet design/finish and quieter keyboard. The Kawai retails slightly cheaper than the Roland too and seems to represent good value.

Then the CN33 tops it perhaps with a new keyboard action and finish. Since I've not played a CN33 I wonder if the sound generation system is the same as the CN32? The specs/brochure would suggest they are. In any case I will wait a bit longer until I can try a new CN33 when they're in the shops.


Edited by spanishbuddha (05/10/10 09:10 AM)

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#1433491 - 05/10/10 10:12 AM Re: Yamaha CLP330, Kawai CN32 or Kurzweil Mark Pro1i [Re: spanishbuddha]
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Hello spanishbuddha, thank you for your positive post!

Originally Posted By: spanishbuddha
The CA63 sounds nice, looks nice, feels nice but is over my budget, but I would say definitely competes with a HP307.


In terms of price, I believe the CA63 is intended to compete with the HP305, while the CA93 competes with the HP307. However, it is true that these two Kawai models are a little more expensive than the competing Roland instruments.

Originally Posted By: spanishbuddha
Then the CN33 tops it perhaps with a new keyboard action and finish.


You are correct about the new keyboard action, however the CN32 and CN33 finishes are actually identical. The cabinet design has been refined slightly, however visually, it's very similar to the previous model - a case of 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'.

Originally Posted By: spanishbuddha
Since I've not played a CN33 I wonder if the sound generation system is the same as the CN32?


Yes, both instruments utilise the same 'Progressive Harmonic Imaging' sound technology.

The CN33 offers some useful feature additions over the previous generation ('USB to Device' etc.), however the biggest improvement is undoubtedly the new RH ('Responsive Hammer') keyboard action.

I hope this helps.

Cheers,
James
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