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#1398684 - 03/18/10 02:56 PM Chopin E flat minor Polonaise Op. 26 No. 2
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuFIcg1mRHE Did this at a studio class yesterday afternoon. I will replace it with the performance from recital next tuesday, but would welcome any comments or criticism, constructive of course!

Thanks in advance!

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#1399026 - 03/19/10 12:05 AM Re: Chopin E flat minor Polonaise Op. 26 No. 2 [Re: jdhampton924]
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Well, I listened with the score in hand. I didn't hear anything my (admittedly tired) mind thought amiss. Very well played!
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#1399094 - 03/19/10 06:44 AM Re: Chopin E flat minor Polonaise Op. 26 No. 2 [Re: Horowitzian]
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A few suggestions:

1. I would ritard more in the three ritards written in the intro especially the last one.

2. You slow down in measure 11(?), the one after the long ascending scale(and when this passage appears later).

2. Measure 12 has fp at the beginning, but you don't really change the dynamic much. The D flat section is marked pp so it seems as though you play it too loudly.

Good luck in yur recital!

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#1399334 - 03/19/10 02:58 PM Re: Chopin E flat minor Polonaise Op. 26 No. 2 [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
A few suggestions:

1. I would ritard more in the three ritards written in the intro especially the last one.

2. You slow down in measure 11(?), the one after the long ascending scale(and when this passage appears later).

2. Measure 12 has fp at the beginning, but you don't really change the dynamic much. The D flat section is marked pp so it seems as though you play it too loudly.

Good luck in yur recital!



This

mmm also can you try the staccato parts with down and up pedal per note on the softer section?

LOL Im 2 years too late it seems.


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#1399401 - 03/19/10 04:38 PM Re: Chopin E flat minor Polonaise Op. 26 No. 2 [Re: D4v3]
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What do you mean? The timestamp on the OP is March 18, 2010. confused
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#1399428 - 03/19/10 05:19 PM Re: Chopin E flat minor Polonaise Op. 26 No. 2 [Re: Horowitzian]
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I know it was only a studio class, but you did not bow to your audience as they applauded your entrance, and your final bow was no more than a perfunctory nod. Don't forget to give your audience full appreciation when you perform.

Your tempo seems to slow down at measure 11-12 and again at the same spot in the repeat, or I sense that some building momentum seems to be lost at this point. It does seem to pick up again immediately after, however.

My score (PWM Edition) has staccato marks throughout the section beginning at measure 21 and while Chopin has indicated some pedal along with these staccato marks, I wonder if there should be no pedal on the last beat (two eighth-notes) of measures 22, 24, 26, 28, etc.

I feel that the left hand is a little too prominent throughout the entire first section (measure 1 - 20). I realize there's a counter melody in the lower part of the left hand starting at measure 12, but it seems to detract from the right hand's work. The balance seems better on the final (repeat - depending on the edition you're using) repetition of the first section.

Do you intend to hold the tenuto chord on beat three of measure 88 as long as you did? It really suspends the forward movement, doesn't it?

I might have wished for a greater dynamic range in this performance, but some of that may be a function of the recording device rather than your playing. There are some sections marked pp, sotto voce or even sempre pianissimo which didn't quite come across as such.

Nevertheless, a nice performance. Thank you for sharing.

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#1399432 - 03/19/10 05:29 PM Re: Chopin E flat minor Polonaise Op. 26 No. 2 [Re: BruceD]
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I understand what you mean about bowing, the reason for the nod is simple. Things are a bit weird at this school and last time I bowed at a studio class, got comments about my ego. I am mostly trying to make the other people happy if I can. I will tape the performance and replace what is there now. The slow down is on purpose, but I let it linger to long. This is my mistake there. In measure 88, there are some things that worked in practice room that did not work in the recital hall. This is why I was glad to be able to tape it and go back and really listen. The scores I have seen for the piece seem to differ on several things..Chords and notes left out in some. I am using the one from IMSLP.org. I had ordered the Jan Eiker Edition Henle urtext, but it is still on back order. Thanks for the comments they helped point out some things I missed.

Originally Posted By: BruceD
I know it was only a studio class, but you did not bow to your audience as they applauded your entrance, and your final bow was no more than a perfunctory nod. Don't forget to give your audience full appreciation when you perform.

Your tempo seems to slow down at measure 11-12 and again at the same spot in the repeat, or I sense that some building momentum seems to be lost at this point. It does seem to pick up again immediately after, however.

My score (PWM Edition) has staccato marks throughout the section beginning at measure 21 and while Chopin has indicated some pedal along with these staccato marks, I wonder if there should be no pedal on the last beat (two eighth-notes) of measures 22, 24, 26, 28, etc.

I feel that the left hand is a little too prominent throughout the entire first section (measure 1 - 20). I realize there's a counter melody in the lower part of the left hand starting at measure 12, but it seems to detract from the right hand's work. The balance seems better on the final (repeat - depending on the edition you're using) repetition of the first section.

Do you intend to hold the tenuto chord on beat three of measure 88 as long as you did? It really suspends the forward movement, doesn't it?

I might have wished for a greater dynamic range in this performance, but some of that may be a function of the recording device rather than your playing. There are some sections marked pp, sotto voce or even sempre pianissimo which didn't quite come across as such.

Nevertheless, a nice performance. Thank you for sharing.

Regards,

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#1399508 - 03/19/10 07:43 PM Re: Chopin E flat minor Polonaise Op. 26 No. 2 [Re: jdhampton924]
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Originally Posted By: jdhampton924
I understand what you mean about bowing, the reason for the nod is simple. Things are a bit weird at this school and last time I bowed at a studio class, got comments about my ego.[...]


I find that reaction somewhat surprising. I have always thought that the bow to the audience has nothing to do with the performer's ego, but that it is, rather, an expression of thanks to the members of the audience for their acknowledgment.

How much about performance routine and performance etiquette is taught at your school?

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#1399949 - 03/20/10 12:08 PM Re: Chopin E flat minor Polonaise Op. 26 No. 2 [Re: BruceD]
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Originally Posted By: BruceD
Originally Posted By: jdhampton924
I understand what you mean about bowing, the reason for the nod is simple. Things are a bit weird at this school and last time I bowed at a studio class, got comments about my ego.[...]



How much about performance routine and performance etiquette is taught at your school?

Regards,


We had another studio class on friday, and that day it was stressed a lot more. The recital is not juts for piano performance majors, but piano minors as well. Some of whom never played in front of an audience before.

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