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#1406907 - 03/30/10 07:39 AM Re: Inside my Kawai CA63 [Re: hpeterh]
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It sure sounds like the Kawai keyboards tend to be a bit fussy often requiring service visits even right away new out of box or during the first year or later requiring " regulation ". Guess that is the price to pay of trying to more closely emulate a realistic pivot point and hammer throw and using lots of wood.

The Yamaha keys have been reported to get sluggish and need replacement after many years of use.

On the other hand one rarely hears any complaints about the Roland keys other than some quality control problems with the fake ivory coating on the 207s.

Something to bear in mind for those of us who don't have any servicing dealers anywhere close.

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#1406949 - 03/30/10 09:14 AM Re: Inside my Kawai CA63 [Re: theJourney]
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It seems to me that Kawai just needs some better quality control. If someone had just played every key on my CA63 they would have noticed that one of the keys was slightly out of whack.

Andy T

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#1407024 - 03/30/10 11:27 AM Re: Inside my Kawai CA63 [Re: sieg66]
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Originally Posted By: sieg66
Avantgrand is not perfect too, if you reach the escapment point and then press firmly you won't get anysound, on the contrary of a true piano.

Not sure what you're talking about here. The Avant-Grand definitely has double escapement. I have an N3 and when I let the key back up about half-way and press down again, I always get a sound. But if you don't let the key back up far enough to the half way point where the jack's tip get under the knuckle enough to force the hammer shank back up again(see this link and click on the red "action in motion" link to see the animation), the hammer is not going to be able to travel up to make the strike.

If you want to describe in details exactly what you did to test, I can try it out on my N3 and let you know the result. The N2 has the same action so it should behave the same.

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#1407027 - 03/30/10 11:31 AM Re: Inside my Kawai CA63 [Re: sucroid]
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Originally Posted By: polygon
Originally Posted By: sieg66
Originally Posted By: polygon
I'm a bit confused. Are you saying that it can't do what the Roland PHA III can?

No it can't, I have tested on N2 and was surprised. I have tested PHA 3 and it can effectively do it.


That's extremely disappointing for a piano that costs over $10K. I hope Roland puts PHA III on the rest of their DPs in time for the next NAMM show.


If you guys are talking about double escapement action here, the Avant-Grand has it and can do it. I'm not sure why Sieg66 can't reproduce it on the N2 he tested. I can get it to work on my N3 just fine. The N2 has the same action. Maybe he didn't raise the key back up high enough. You don't need to raise it a lot, but you need to raise it back a little bit, just like an acoustic key.

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#1407343 - 03/30/10 06:11 PM Re: Inside my Kawai CA63 [Re: Volusiano]
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Hi,

I just say that when you depress the key till the hard point without passing it, and then push firmly enough you get a sound in every accoustic, but I wasn't able to reproduce this with the avantgrand.

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#1407435 - 03/30/10 08:56 PM Re: Inside my Kawai CA63 [Re: sieg66]
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Originally Posted By: sieg66
Hi,
I just say that when you depress the key till the hard point without passing it, and then push firmly enough you get a sound in every accoustic, but I wasn't able to reproduce this with the avantgrand.

Hi Sieg66, I assume that by "the hard point" you mean about the half way point when you start pushing down slowly on the key until you feel resistance, right?

When you pushed down from this point, did you push fast enough? If you pushed too slowly (even if firmly), the hammer shank will be raised too slowly and gravity will have time to pull it back down to the back check before the hammer has a chance to strike the string. If you pushed down quickly enough, the hammer shank will be raised fast enough that the hammer will strike the string before being pulled back down by gravity.

When I tested my N3, I did get a sound from the half way point if I pressed the key quickly enough from there. But if I pressed the key too slowly, I don't get a sound (like what you reported). I think this is the desired behavior.

If other acoustic keyboards you've tried make a sound even when you pressed down slowly from the half way point, I'd say that their action is probably too sensitive. A sound is only desired if there's a purposeful "strike" (with quick enough action). But it's not desired if you just slowly bump on a key by accident (maybe while still having a finger on it for sustain).

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#1407568 - 03/31/10 03:39 AM Re: Inside my Kawai CA63 [Re: Volusiano]
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My understanding of the AvantGrand is that its action can be regulated as an acoustic piano action (although not to the same extent). It would be interesting to get feedback from anyone who has adjusted the touch of their AvantGrand.

OT: Horowitz's Steinway with its modified touch was in Holland recently at the Steinway Center so people feel how he preferred his pianos to be prepared.

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#1407585 - 03/31/10 04:24 AM Re: Inside my Kawai CA63 [Re: AndyT]
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Originally Posted By: AndyT
It seems to me that Kawai just needs some better quality control. If someone had just played every key on my CA63 they would have noticed that one of the keys was slightly out of whack.

Andy T


That is not possible with traditional methods.
How much time can a workers man spend with a piano? If he spends 30 minutes then he can check 16 pianos at one day. And if I did it, after the 8th piano I would start to get tired and make mistakes....
And you would need a motivated specialist or a piano enthusiast for that and there is more to check... Where can you get such reliable people if you do mass production in indonesia and elsewhere?

I like the action and the touch of Kawai pianos, but I think they could make parts like the pivot hole and other from high impact synthetics, ad justable by screws and glue those parts into the wood and then adjust them with screws, not paper washers. I believe, it is not required for a digital to do everything in the traditional way.

How much time did they need to develop the new action, and it is basically not a new development but it is the same principle with a better adjustment. A talented piano tecnician can develop this within some weeks. What did they do all the past years? ;-) There is somthing new required with escapement touch and 3 sensor technology.

I believe, innovation and technology is not their strongest point ;-)

Peter


Edited by hpeterh (03/31/10 04:33 AM)
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#1407591 - 03/31/10 04:43 AM Re: Inside my Kawai CA63 [Re: hpeterh]
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One could argue that Kawai may be too small of a company to be attempting to do what they are attempting to do.

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#1407598 - 03/31/10 05:05 AM Re: Inside my Kawai CA63 [Re: hpeterh]
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Originally Posted By: hpeterh

That is not possible with traditional methods.
How much time can a workers man spend with a piano? If he spends 30 minutes then he can check 16 pianos at one day.


I would say a quick visual check to see if the keys are all lined up + playing all the keys just once to see if it feels and sounds correct (possibly without the sound switched on). I don't think that would take longer than 1 minute.

Andy


Edited by AndyT (03/31/10 05:05 AM)

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#1407610 - 03/31/10 05:55 AM Re: Inside my Kawai CA63 [Re: AndyT]
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Originally Posted By: AndyT
Originally Posted By: hpeterh

That is not possible with traditional methods.
How much time can a workers man spend with a piano? If he spends 30 minutes then he can check 16 pianos at one day.


I would say a quick visual check to see if the keys are all lined up + playing all the keys just once to see if it feels and sounds correct (possibly without the sound switched on). I don't think that would take longer than 1 minute.

Andy


Perhaps hptech is extrapolating his or her reasoning from German trade union rules. grin "Sorry, it is not my job to make sure our digital pianos meet specs. I just work here!"

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#1407618 - 03/31/10 06:51 AM Re: Inside my Kawai CA63 [Re: theJourney]
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Now I think, the problems, that are spoken about, are rather subtle problems.
A key makes a slight noise, another might be a little bit tight and so on. It is natural material and to some degree such problems are normal. Possibly these problems are not good reproducible and might be subject to clima and temperature.

I never heard about Kawai keyboards with really bad defects. If there are problems, they are always subtle.

If you have a person that must check it and if this person is not a piano player how does he/she know an precise good/bad criteria. He/she will not know it without measuring.
And you will need a quiet and clean working environment for this. This can be expensive in a mass production factory.

I still remember how difficult it was to check the keyboard when I was in the piano store ;-)

And this will take longer than one minute, if each key is as carefully checked as the customer will do it. That will cost a lot of money.

And, lets assume, that takes a Minute: Would you trust a person, that tests 8x60=480 keyboards a day at the assembly line? Such a person must be ill silly and unreliable, otherwise he/she couldnt do the job ;-)


So the only method for improvement is to use more precise material (synthetics) at the critical points.


Edited by hpeterh (03/31/10 07:01 AM)
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#1407619 - 03/31/10 06:57 AM Re: Inside my Kawai CA63 [Re: hpeterh]
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I disagree. I think a very quick inspection would stop 90% of the cases. I am not a piano player, and I instantly knew that the key was dodgy, within about a minute of sitting down to play.


Edited by AndyT (03/31/10 06:58 AM)

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#1407620 - 03/31/10 07:00 AM Re: Inside my Kawai CA63 [Re: AndyT]
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Interesting also that Kawai has moved to ABS and other space age materials in its wooden pianos -- and has taken a lot of flack for having done so -- yet for its digital pianos where plastics abound it has decided to go the wood route. Weird.

From the point of view of consumers getting help with problems, sometimes the only thing worse than a "subtle" problem is an intermittent problem....

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#1407642 - 03/31/10 08:30 AM Re: Inside my Kawai CA63 [Re: AndyT]
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Originally Posted By: AndyT
I disagree. I think a very quick inspection would stop 90% of the cases. I am not a piano player, and I instantly knew that the key was dodgy, within about a minute of sitting down to play.

It would be my luck to end up owning one of those 10% cases that manages to sneak through the QC inspection.

I don't want wood anywhere near my DP - manufacturers never met a corner they wouldn't and didn't cut in every possible way imaginable.
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#1407677 - 03/31/10 09:21 AM Re: Inside my Kawai CA63 [Re: theJourney]
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Originally Posted By: theJourney
Weird.


KAWAI acoustic pianos do indeed contain action parts manufactured from composite materials (ABS and ABS Carbon), however the keyboard itself is still made from wood.

Not so weird really, when you think about it.

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#1407688 - 03/31/10 09:49 AM Re: Inside my Kawai CA63 [Re: dewster]
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Whatever you think about a wooden action, I really love it and would prefer it over any plastic key action, at least the ones I tried so far (and that's pretty much all of the brand key actions). I love the long wooden keys that add so much realism to the playing experience. I also had the opportunity to see my keyboard open, and I was really impressed about what I have seen. It's very easy to fix any problems with the key action, everything is easy to reach, and seems very reliable.


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#1407875 - 03/31/10 02:28 PM Re: Inside my Kawai CA63 [Re: Volusiano]
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Originally Posted By: Volusiano
Hi Sieg66, I assume that by "the hard point" you mean about the half way point when you start pushing down slowly on the key until you feel resistance, right?

When I tested my N3, I did get a sound from the half way point if I pressed the key quickly enough from there. But if I pressed the key too slowly, I don't get a sound (like what you reported). I think this is the desired behavior.

Thanks for these informations, I will try again when I'll return to the piano shop, soon, because when I tried the N2 with headphone I wasn't able to get a sound doing the way you explain.

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#1407953 - 03/31/10 04:13 PM Re: Inside my Kawai CA63 [Re: sieg66]
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The KAWAI CA93/63 is the king of DP:s!

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#1408033 - 03/31/10 06:06 PM Re: Inside my Kawai CA63 [Re: Andree]
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Here's a Roland promotional video, already a bit older, talking about quality control:

http://www.roland.com/video/page.cfm?vid=19200468&page=4

Even if you take away the promo blabla, it looks as if they go to some lengths to ensure durability. However, no indication is given what tests are done on the regular production units - I guess they don't let them be played millions of times...

Probably Kawai (and Yamaha) have something similar. However, I was surprised when I saw one of the first announcements of the HP3xx series last autumn, it contained some numbers of expected sales. It was just a couple of thousand units per year - not exactly products selling like fresh bread...

Really, it would be great to have someone like Kawai James for the other companies around here to answer some of these questions. There was someone from Yamaha around here who posted a couple of times, but then disappeared again (wasn't it Yamaha Moose?).

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#1408053 - 03/31/10 06:42 PM Re: Inside my Kawai CA63 [Re: Nachtschatten]
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Originally Posted By: Nachtschatten
...I saw one of the first announcements of the HP3xx series last autumn, it contained some numbers of expected sales. It was just a couple of thousand units per year - not exactly products selling like fresh bread......


That just shows you the size of the piano market. How'd you like to be selling acoustic pianos? Not exactly a line at the checkout register. The Roland HP and Yamaha CLP series are designed specifically to be sold be low-volume dealers one unit at a time. Given their price I'd expect sales to be slow.

On the other hand the Roland RD700GX, Yamaha YDP and so on are sold on-line and at the huge mega-music stores where you do in fact sometimes find a line at the register.

The consumer market is very price sensitive and I'd guess most buyers would not even think to walk into any place other than the big stores or look on-line. When I was shopping for a DP I did not even see on Roland HP or one Yamaha Clavinova on display in any of ther places I went, would not even know where to look for one. Of course the numbers are low.

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#1408300 - 04/01/10 02:14 AM Re: Inside my Kawai CA63 [Re: ChrisA]
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I agree. Of course the numbers are low, even for the low end models the numbers are low compared to other mainstream consumer products.

Who the hell plays the piano these days, anyway?

Could each of us find 5 people in among our friends, family and acquaintances who would be both interested in and able to make the same purchase we are (considering)?

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#1408314 - 04/01/10 02:45 AM Re: Inside my Kawai CA63 [Re: theJourney]
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True. Part of the issue here, is probably, a not well founded perception that one can only learn piano at ones childhood. Which is not the case. One can only become a virtuoso, if one starts very early in one's life. If people realised, they can have a spiritual adventure with music also later in their lives - the market would definitely grow by some 30%. However, one obstacle is still there, bad taste for bad compositions, badly reproduced, by bad equipment. So called unvoluntary bad musical 'education' which kills musical sensitivity and imagination. Also, unnecessary sentimentalism of mainstream radio shack 'compositions' accompanied with emotional exhibitionism. You do not really need a good instrument to make a bad music. Do you? Bottleneck. Cheers.


Edited by surething (04/01/10 02:50 AM)
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#1408334 - 04/01/10 03:10 AM Re: Inside my Kawai CA63 [Re: surething]
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Don't forget that although leisure time has increased dramatically during the past century, it has been filled up with lots of passive activities such as TV watching rather than social and active pursuits at the same time that universal music education in many Western countries has been decimated.

Also, the idea of delayed gratification and having to invest time and discipline into an art or craft has been replaced with instant relief and bright and shiny entertainment. And, the expectation from widespread recordings that only impossibly perfect renditions pieced together and processed in a studio are worthy to listen to.

Music today is almost exclusively something people listen to passively that is produced by a class of "experts", on your ipod or other individual devices, not make yourself actively together with social company.

Combine that with illusory phenomenon such as guitar hero computer games and even the relative to piano popular guitar is under threat as a seroius pursuit. Kids declare victory that they can play the guitar by pressing some colored buttons on their Wii.

Having said that, I am amazed at the number of adult piano students that I come across in Amsterdam. The 35+ crowd is really figuring out that it is possible to learn to play the piano to quite a high standard as an adult if you have 1-2 hours a day and the desire. On my street alone there are two adult beginners and at least a dozen households that all have adults at home playing the piano regularly. The growth for many piano teachers is coming from adult students.


Edited by theJourney (04/01/10 03:14 AM)

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#1408449 - 04/01/10 09:48 AM Re: Inside my Kawai CA63 [Re: theJourney]
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Well said!

At the other extreme, take a look at this video (and his other videos); he plays an RD 700GX. I think these are good example of creative, and wide ranging, musical capabilities. I'm impressed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olQB9QqCqAU
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#1409218 - 04/02/10 07:22 AM Re: Inside my Kawai CA63 [Re: Andree]
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The KAWAI CA93/63 is the king of DP:s!


Taking also value for money into the equation, I tend to agree (at least currently). cool
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#1409257 - 04/02/10 09:08 AM Re: Inside my Kawai CA63 [Re: TADutchman]
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Originally Posted By: Andree
The KAWAI CA93/63 is the king of DP:s!


Taking also value for money into the equation, I tend to agree (at least currently). cool


The KAWAI CA93/63 is the king of DP:s = Good value for money smile

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#1410026 - 04/03/10 12:28 PM Re: Inside my Kawai CA63 [Re: Andree]
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Originally Posted By: Andree
Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Originally Posted By: Andree
The KAWAI CA93/63 is the king of DP:s!


Taking also value for money into the equation, I tend to agree (at least currently). cool


The KAWAI CA93/63 is the king of DP:s = Good value for money smile


Even though I really like the Kawai action, I think Roland HP-307 has better bang for the buck.

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#1410155 - 04/03/10 05:04 PM Re: Inside my Kawai CA63 [Re: sucroid]
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Mabe for you... For me it's 70-80% Keyboard action and feel, 20-30% Sound (which is also replaceable). The HP-307 is much more expensive. I can buy a brand new more than suitable laptop including a great software piano (e.g. Alicias Keys) for the additional money you have to pay for HP-307 compared to CA63.
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#1410156 - 04/03/10 05:11 PM Re: Inside my Kawai CA63 [Re: mucci]
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Kawai CA-63 street price: euro 2025

HP-307 street price: euro 2499

Not having to use a laptop with loose wires and a software piano to use your expensive, integrated console piano in your own living room: priceless.

And this is ignoring the apples and oranges comparison where the HP-307 offers many, many more voices, a real piano designer functionality, a three track recorder instead of two and, significantly, especially considering your weighting of 70-80% for the keyboard: the top of the line keyboard from Roland including escapement.

To get even close to that keyboard functionality with Kawai, you would need to spend in excess of euro 3000 and still come up short...

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