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#1410247 - 04/03/10 08:08 PM The most BORING music on the planet...,.
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has to be Schubert's tiresome Impromptus, D899.

What is it with Schubert? He cannot do anything wrong? The first Impromptu chases its tail in a rather embarrassing manner, the second Impromptu is a funny attempt at an etude, the third Impromptu tries so hard to be sublime, and the forth tries to be unique -we're experimenting with Ab minor- but ultimately it's tiresomely predictable.

Schubert wrote a lot of music which is demonstrably superior... I just don't think the D899 represents him as his best. Comments?
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#1410249 - 04/03/10 08:10 PM Re: The most BORING music on the planet...,. [Re: argerichfan]
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Tell us you're kidding. smile
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#1410252 - 04/03/10 08:16 PM Re: The most BORING music on the planet...,. [Re: Mark_C]
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There's no accounting for taste. I don't think you can get more boring than 4'33", at any rate...unless you write a "4 hours and 33 minutes".

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#1410254 - 04/03/10 08:20 PM Re: The most BORING music on the planet...,. [Re: Frozenicicles]
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#1410255 - 04/03/10 08:22 PM Re: The most BORING music on the planet...,. [Re: Frozenicicles]
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Originally Posted By: Frozenicicles
There's no accounting for taste. I don't think you can get more boring than 4'33", at any rate...unless you write a "4 hours and 33 minutes".

I got my biggest ovation ever for that piece.
Which of course isn't saying much. smile
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#1410262 - 04/03/10 08:28 PM Re: The most BORING music on the planet...,. [Re: Frozenicicles]
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Originally Posted By: Frozenicicles
There's no accounting for taste. I don't think you can get more boring than 4'33", at any rate...unless you write a "4 hours and 33 minutes".


But, it's high art is it not? grin Actually, I agree. A complete waste of bandwidth.
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#1410263 - 04/03/10 08:28 PM Re: The most BORING music on the planet...,. [Re: Mark_C]
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Seriously? Cool! It's a joke between me and my teacher. Whenever she asks me what I want to perform for a recital, I always reply with 4'33". I've never been allowed to yet! One of these days she ought to let me. laugh

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#1410266 - 04/03/10 08:30 PM Re: The most BORING music on the planet...,. [Re: Frozenicicles]
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(BTW.......I shortened it to 30 seconds.
And I divided it into movements.) smile
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#1410275 - 04/03/10 08:39 PM Re: The most BORING music on the planet...,. [Re: argerichfan]
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To approach the OP seriously (or try to)..... smile

In truth, many people feel that way about much Schubert, especially the longer works. If you catch me in a certain mood, I might even say that about the great posthumous B-flat major Sonata. It's great, but it can be borderline 'boring,' even (IMO) with a great performance. (Especially if the dreaded repeat is taken in the 1st movement.) ha

I find it harder to say anything like that about the shorter Schubert works, although to tell the truth I might almost say it about that 1st impromptu (the C minor). It's the least performed of this set, and I think of all the Schubert impromptus altogether, and IMO with good reason.

P.S. About "repeats" in general: It's a big subject for debate, and most serious musicians usually seem to say "take the repeats." I think that if we polled audiences, the opinion would be almost unanimous -- on the other side. ha

I'm half hoping this will hijack the thread. Maybe better to argue about repeats than whether Schubert's impromptus are the most boring music on the planet. grin
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#1410281 - 04/03/10 08:50 PM Re: The most BORING music on the planet...,. [Re: Mark_C]
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ahh that kinda reminds me since I'm still working on Mozart's twinkle twinkle little star 12 variations. Every one of them has a repeat and well, I don't repeat them and the vids on youtube that I've seen on the 12 variations don't repeat all of them over either. Only a few vids on utube seem to play exactly as Mozart has it with all 12 repeating after eachother. I just find it kind of pointless to go through all the repeats again playing the exact same thing but maybe there's a point? :)Oh and sorry, never listened much to Schubert so can't help on that one :P
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#1410287 - 04/03/10 09:01 PM Re: The most BORING music on the planet...,. [Re: ladypayne]
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Originally Posted By: ladypayne
ahh that kinda reminds me since I'm still working on Mozart's twinkle twinkle little star 12 variations. Every one of them has a repeat and well, I don't repeat them and the vids on youtube that I've.....

A few years ago, a friend played that in an amateur competition. As it happened, not only did she play all the repeats, she also took a very slow tempo, so she ran way over the time limit. The judges stopped her. And the director of the event was heard muttering, "Yeah, we don't need to hear every variation of Twinkle Twinkle Little Star......"
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#1410288 - 04/03/10 09:02 PM Re: The most BORING music on the planet...,. [Re: ladypayne]
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Alright you guys! I have an Easter service to play in a matter of hours, and I'm pissed off at Schubert. Christ has not quite risen yet.

But I am assured of a wonderful lunch after my Anglican service... yes, I will have a Bloody Mary...
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#1410295 - 04/03/10 09:03 PM Re: The most BORING music on the planet...,. [Re: argerichfan]
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Alright you guys! I have an Easter service to play in a matter of hours, and I'm pissed off at Schubert. Christ has not quite risen yet.....

Aha!! The root of the problem!!!!
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#1410296 - 04/03/10 09:03 PM Re: The most BORING music on the planet...,. [Re: Mark_C]
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aww I actually like all 12 variations but I wouldn't like to repeat all of them and most people play them fairly quickly so the song is like 5 and a half mins or so. Not too bad I would think :P
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#1410312 - 04/03/10 09:19 PM Re: The most BORING music on the planet...,. [Re: ladypayne]
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So now Schubert's silly and idiotic 'Introduction & Variations' for flute and piano are now considered great music? Who besides yours truly has actually suffered through this nonsense?

What utter bilge. I hated every moment of it. Terrible music, if Schubert's name were not attached to it, would anyone give it anything other than a miss? Face it: Schubert bombed out. He was too busy writing too much music, that was his problem.

Over and out. Happy Easter!
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#1410325 - 04/03/10 09:39 PM Re: The most BORING music on the planet...,. [Re: pianoloverus]
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As McEnroe said...

"You cannot be serious!"


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#1410326 - 04/03/10 09:40 PM Re: The most BORING music on the planet...,. [Re: argerichfan]
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Sadly, I'm not familiar with a whole lot of Schubert's music. What I have listened to I like, but nothing that really stands out to me (solo piano, that is), except the G flat Impromptu. smile I don't get tired of that piece.

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#1410327 - 04/03/10 09:41 PM Re: The most BORING music on the planet...,. [Re: argerichfan]
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Honestly, I'm not all that crazy about Schubert. The great Bflat sonata is, however, without a doubt, a masterpiece. I also love the little A major sonata. The impromptus? I could probably take them, or leave them, though I did play the Eflat (899/2) for an encore once.
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#1410328 - 04/03/10 09:42 PM Re: The most BORING music on the planet...,. [Re: stores]
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.....though I did play the Eflat (899/2) for an encore once.

Not good enough for the printed program, eh? ha

(IMO it's a great piece as an encore or for the printed program.)
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#1410334 - 04/03/10 09:48 PM Re: The most BORING music on the planet...,. [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: stores
.....though I did play the Eflat (899/2) for an encore once.

Not good enough for the printed program, eh? ha

(IMO it's a great piece as an encore or for the printed program.)


Haha. It does, actually, make a great encore. They're not "bad" works, at all (the impromptus, that is), but they don't really grab me. Some of the sonatas have their moments, but then, wow, he comes up with the Bflat and you're left wondering what else he'd been hiding up his sleeve.
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#1410337 - 04/03/10 09:50 PM Re: The most BORING music on the planet...,. [Re: stores]
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Is schubert really that bad? lol I have never played any of his works so I wouldn't know but from the sounds of it, he's not all that great like Mozart, Chopin, Beethoven etc :P
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#1410345 - 04/03/10 10:00 PM Re: The most BORING music on the planet...,. [Re: ladypayne]
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No, I don't find him as great as Beethoven or Chopin. But he's still a great composer, and very important.

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#1410347 - 04/03/10 10:09 PM Re: The most BORING music on the planet...,. [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
Sadly, I'm not familiar with a whole lot of Schubert's music. What I have listened to I like, but nothing that really stands out to me (solo piano, that is), except the G flat Impromptu. smile I don't get tired of that piece.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHE0Ibz19YI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f9Hq34L8Ag
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZm3JbzFzrQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9Ak7Tk9B3s
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#1410350 - 04/03/10 10:17 PM Re: The most BORING music on the planet...,. [Re: pianoloverus]
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#1410363 - 04/03/10 10:48 PM Re: The most BORING music on the planet...,. [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: Frozenicicles
There's no accounting for taste. I don't think you can get more boring than 4'33", at any rate...unless you write a "4 hours and 33 minutes".

I got my biggest ovation ever for that piece.
Which of course isn't saying much. smile


You should have learned Op. 90 No. 4. Bet you could win a competition with that! laugh



Sorry, I just couldn't resist.
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#1410364 - 04/03/10 10:48 PM Re: The most BORING music on the planet...,. [Re: ladypayne]
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Thank you.. I hate Schubert.. Let the bashing begin. (Or not.. you won't win)

Except Arpeggione - love that piece! And very rarely some songs. And I feel I can say that because I've played tons of Schubert when I was young and I won a Schubert competition in Europe many years ago.. hahhahah.
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#1410383 - 04/03/10 11:23 PM Re: The most BORING music on the planet...,. [Re: argerichfan]
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Just speaking personally, I don't really see much point in trashing music which so many people (including me) hold so dear. Just ignore it if you don't like it, and start a thread about Liszt, Wagner or Elgar instead.
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#1410384 - 04/03/10 11:24 PM Re: The most BORING music on the planet...,. [Re: Damon]
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....4'33.....

I got my biggest ovation ever for that piece.
Which of course isn't saying much. smile

You should have learned Op. 90 No. 4. Bet you could win a competition with that! laugh

Sorry, I just couldn't resist.

grin Nice job.......I love in-jokes. thumb
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#1410390 - 04/03/10 11:29 PM Re: The most BORING music on the planet...,. [Re: currawong]
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Originally Posted By: currawong
Just speaking personally, I don't really see much point in trashing music which so many people (including me) hold so dear. Just ignore it if you don't like it, and start a thread about Liszt, Wagner or Elgar instead.


So, it's ok to trash Liszt, Wagner, or Elgar? Just curious.
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#1410392 - 04/03/10 11:32 PM Re: The most BORING music on the planet...,. [Re: stores]
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So, it's ok to trash Liszt, Wagner, or Elgar? Just curious.
I wasn't suggesting anyone trash Liszt, Wagner or Elgar. I was suggesting argerichfan start a thread about music he actually likes, and those three composers would be sure to appear in such a thread.
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