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#1410742 - 04/04/10 03:14 PM New Estonia 7'4 grand
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Just received notice from Estonia that the new 7'4 semi-concert has been unveiled in factory and was tetsted by a number of pianists including Dr.Laul.

First reviews and reflections were highly complimentary and promising - in true Estonia fashion nothing was hyped or exaggerated.

A new dealer from Luxemberg, offering mostly German pianos described the new piano this way:
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.. very well balanced, expressive, powerful,nothing needing to be changed.


The piano was completely designed and developed within factory - no outside help was requested or necessary.

As soon as pictures or sound samples of the new 225 grand become available, will try to post them.

The first 4 models have alreays been pre-sold, [ sigh..] - one going to California.

The California piano has been planned to a church that will celebrate their 3 million dollar renovation in southern CA, the first one is planned to the Historic Museum of Estonia in central Tallinn.

These are exciting time for the maker as it is expected to open new and important doors for them.

Hope nobody minds me giving notice of this - a historic event.

Estonia certainly been a long way coming...can't wait!

Norbert


Edited by Norbert (04/04/10 03:28 PM)
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#1410744 - 04/04/10 03:17 PM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Norbert]
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So if I trade up from my 2008 190, how much cash will I need? smile

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#1410750 - 04/04/10 03:32 PM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Mark...]
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Originally Posted By: Mark...
So if I trade up from my 2008 190, how much cash will I need? smile


Only enough to have it delivered!

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#1410757 - 04/04/10 03:58 PM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: lilylady]
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Thank you for this, Norbert.
The hole between 6 and 9 was just too big for Estonia to compete. The need for a 7 (even better, 7'4") was a no-brainer, finally addressed.
I must play one.

Gerald Brennan

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#1410758 - 04/04/10 03:59 PM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: geraldbrennan]
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That's an ideal size for a piano. I am looking forward to playing one if my local dealer should stock it in the future.

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#1410764 - 04/04/10 04:10 PM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: SeilerFan]
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#1410853 - 04/04/10 06:17 PM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Bart Kinlein]
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Norbert:

You forgot to mention that the Luxemborg dealer was so impressed that he bought four pianos on the spot!
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#1410883 - 04/04/10 07:02 PM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: master88er]
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You forgot to mention that the Luxemborg dealer was so impressed that he bought four pianos on the spot!


No, it was the California dealers who did....

Norbert wink
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#1410888 - 04/04/10 07:16 PM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Norbert]
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My wife's is going to kill me if I trade up... smile

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#1410966 - 04/04/10 08:48 PM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Norbert]
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Finally! I have often lamented that there was too big of a gap in the Estonia line. 7'4" is brilliant because this will give customers a better alternative to the Yamaha C7. Now, if only Charles Walter would build something around this size...
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#1411150 - 04/05/10 03:04 AM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: beethoven986]
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Ooooh - interesting, thanks for posting this!

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#1411338 - 04/05/10 11:14 AM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: beethoven986]
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Originally Posted By: beethoven986
Finally! I have often lamented that there was too big of a gap in the Estonia line. 7'4" is brilliant because this will give customers a better alternative to the Yamaha C7. Now, if only Charles Walter would build something around this size...


beethoven986,
Have you played the new 7'4" ?

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#1411427 - 04/05/10 01:18 PM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: fingers]
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No, I haven't seen any Estonias in a long time. But, this new model is a good thing.
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#1411497 - 04/05/10 02:24 PM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: beethoven986]
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Norbert and I differ in the way we post. I am not sure that it is always best to post information as I learn it or to post partial information or rumors.

I say this because I am intimately familiar with the progress of the 225 and have been following it closely (by email and by phone). Since it is now out on the forum I thought a few older pictures of the piano in process might be nice to see. These pictures date back to before Christmas and early January. The last these pictures were taken while Estonia was awaiting delivery of the first 225 plate:



















I do understand that the piano has been very well received and they are now backordered. I can't wait to play it in person! smile
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#1411501 - 04/05/10 02:31 PM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Rich Galassini]
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It's already like pulling teeth to get certain Estonia pianos. I would imagine this new piano will make the wait on all pianos even longer. I hope Indrek can up production a bit to compensate.
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#1411603 - 04/05/10 04:23 PM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Rich Galassini]
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Originally Posted By: Rich Galassini
Norbert and I differ in the way we post. I am not sure that it is always best to post information as I learn it or to post partial information or rumors.

I say this because I am intimately familiar with the progress of the 225 and have been following it closely (by email and by phone). Since it is now out on the forum I thought a few older pictures of the piano in process might be nice to see. These pictures date back to before Christmas and early January. The last these pictures were taken while Estonia was awaiting delivery of the first 225 plate:



















I do understand that the piano has been very well received and they are now backordered. I can't wait to play it in person! smile
Posting pictures like that without showing a finished example is PIANO TORTURE!!

(Like my BB lid just dropped on my head.)

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#1411731 - 04/05/10 07:37 PM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Mark...]
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Originally Posted By: Mark...
My wife's is going to kill me if I trade up... smile


I was going to say you only live once, but that somehow seems inappropriate. Instead, I will advise to make sure affairs are in order before playing one. I am expecting the 225 to be really good!
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#1411783 - 04/05/10 09:12 PM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Strings & Wood]
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Norbert and I differ in the way we post. I am not sure that it is always best to post information as I learn it or to post partial information or rumors.


No problem Rich!

14 years ago when we already said then "Estonia is a piano with surprisingly nice tone" - it was also only a 'rumour'.

It certainly was "partial information" - then.

Guilty as charged!!

Norbert wink


Edited by Norbert (04/05/10 09:17 PM)
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#1411869 - 04/05/10 11:40 PM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Rich Galassini]
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Originally Posted By: Rich Galassini
Norbert and I differ in the way we post. I am not sure that it is always best to post information as I learn it or to post partial information or rumors.


Rich, I always enjoy your posts. They are extremely knowledgeable and well-composed. They don't beat about the bush but offer solid facts. You also wisely manage to stay away from conflicts and strife on here. I guess that sets you apart from others, particularly the rumor-mongers. There are high-performance dealers, and, well, there are consumer-grade dealers (to speak in Larry Fine's words).

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#1411885 - 04/06/10 12:00 AM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: SeilerFan]
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Thank you for the photos of the meticulous crafting of this piano. It is a pity that new Estonia pianos are not available in New Zealand. I would love to try one as they receive great acclaim on this forum.

Kia ora! ( a Maori greeting)

Robert.

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#1411950 - 04/06/10 02:17 AM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Robert 45]
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Instead of simply discussing a new piano, there are always those who enjoy sliding off into personalities making undue innuendo.

Someone's "style of posting" may very well be different from mine - but it has nothing to to with the news of this new piano.

By the way, the innuendo of me posting 'rumours' or 'partial information' is completely false and certainly uncalled for in the context of this thread.

It's quickly picked up and reinforced by those who happen to have perhaps disagreed with some of my own posts or opinions in the past.

Cheap stuff, not exactly classy...

Sorry to all who are getting distracted by this.

Norbert frown


Edited by Norbert (04/06/10 02:23 AM)
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#1412013 - 04/06/10 06:14 AM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Norbert]
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Norbert - I've appreciated all of your posts that I've read. In general I'd rather read lots of info and then filter as necessary. If someone disagrees with a post, they always have the option of posting their own opinion, or just moving on and ignoring it.

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#1412029 - 04/06/10 07:23 AM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: SeilerFan]
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I guess that sets you apart from others, particularly the rumor-mongers.


I really can not see how the original post could be qualified as rumour!

For me this is factual pre-launch information: customers, dealers can test drive (pre order) a new piano that is physically there and ready to be launched. In marketing technical terms this is called the beta-phase.

But perhaps that some prefer reading post-launch information in press releases, glossy brochures of either new models or hyped ugraded models.

At least I do not need a piano forum for that.

schwammerl.

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#1416393 - 04/13/10 11:15 AM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: schwammerl]
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need more information! When will it be out? Just how great is it? Will it save the whales?

Well, in all seriousness, this is a piano that has me very excited. Any idea when we can expect those "glossy brochures" and sample pianos to drool over?
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#1416451 - 04/13/10 01:01 PM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Bunneh]
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Estonia is not in 'glossy brochures' - doesn't exactly suit their style....

Reports so far received indicate this will be a superb instruement - it's not just a 'larger Estonia' but an entirely new piano.

Righ now the raffle is on who will be able to get one of these.

Estonia will exhibit the piano first during next NAMM and will need to secure one of these pianos for themselves as well.

Don't forget it takes a long time to make one of them, as all their other models, these are not exactly mass-produced pianos....

Norbert
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#1416487 - 04/13/10 02:26 PM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Norbert]
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Don't forget it takes a long time to make one of them, as all their other models, these are not exactly mass-produced pianos....


Feel free to place your orders! wink
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#1416530 - 04/13/10 03:33 PM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Norbert]
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Originally Posted By: Norbert
Reports so far received indicate this will be a superb instruement - it's not just a 'larger Estonia' but an entirely new piano.




Norbert (or Rich G) -- any idea what features will make this an "entirely new piano???"

And I'm guessing Estonia will use this new model to re-align their pricing structure. That is, price the 225 about 10-15% shy of a Steinway B and adjust the 168 and 190 accordingly???

I suppose we'll soon find out...

Brent
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#1416950 - 04/14/10 09:50 AM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Brent B]
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Originally Posted By: Brent B

Norbert (or Rich G) -- any idea what features will make this an "entirely new piano???"

And I'm guessing Estonia will use this new model to re-align their pricing structure. That is, price the 225 about 10-15% shy of a Steinway B and adjust the 168 and 190 accordingly???

I suppose we'll soon find out...

Brent


Brent,

This piano is a departure for Estonia in that they have never built a piano of this size before. Additionally this is a new scale. String length, bridge placement, soundboard dimensions, etc. - they are all different.

However, every piano has a signature tone and I fully expect to hear the Estonia tone in this new model. I cannot say exactly what Norbert meant in his last post, as we've never had this discussion, but I am sure he will respond with his thoughts. smile

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#1416986 - 04/14/10 10:48 AM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Rich Galassini]
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Hi Rich,

Thanks for the response. I hope you'll allow me a few minutes to admire one in your showroom before it flies out the door!

(Perhaps you could use your special powers to arrange a 225 debut performance by Indrek Laul himself at Cunningham Piano!?!?!?!?!?!? grin I'm sure one or two people would show up for that wink )

Brent

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#1417044 - 04/14/10 12:13 PM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Brent B]
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The details of a brand new piano cannot be discussed until all the facts are known. Nobody has seen this piano as of yet.

My posted information were verbatim quotes from Dr. Laul who is presently in factory. We are not in competition of "who knows what" at this particular point.

We are all excited about this long planned, new model which is expected to open completely new doors for its maker.

The basic point is that there are few makers who are bringing out new models at this particular time of the economy.

I believe this signifies that Estonia may be in a slightly different spot.

Norbert
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