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#1413216 - 04/07/10 07:12 PM Logitech Z-2300 2.1 THX Users. C'mon in!
fe2008 Offline
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It seems this system is the best option in a budget for improving the sound of a digital piano.
Although its small size it got incredible 2x 40W (RMS) satellites and a powerful 8" 120W (RMS) subwoofer.
I know there are owners of this sound system here so I'd like to hear from you how good this system performs plugged in a digital piano? Did you find a good difference between it and the original internal speakers?
Does it make you "feel" you're playing an acoustic or at least improve your overall experience?

Thanks
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#1413230 - 04/07/10 07:40 PM Re: Logitech Z-2300 2.1 THX Users. C'mon in! [Re: fe2008]
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Actually, the Logitech Z-2300 is better than the sound systems in most digital pianos, including the high end ones.

I use such a system on my Yamaha P-85 and it sounds better than digital pianos costing three times as much.

The satellites are best mounted on the wall...I have mine on shelves, on either side...they should be mounted slightly below the top of the piano, since they are angled.

I believe there are a few others on this forum using the system...I do know of several on the Yamaha forums...we'll give someone else a turn to tell you about the system....I highly recommend it.

Snazzy
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#1413236 - 04/07/10 07:47 PM Re: Logitech Z-2300 2.1 THX Users. C'mon in! [Re: snazzyplayer]
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what the url of Yamaha forums?
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#1413248 - 04/07/10 08:10 PM Re: Logitech Z-2300 2.1 THX Users. C'mon in! [Re: fe2008]
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You can try PSR Tutorial here:

http://psrtutorial.com/index.html

Click on the FORUM at the top of the page...it is free to join.

You can also check here:

http://www.yamahapkowner.com/forum/index.php

It is also free to join.

I believe there were some posters on the Logitech website/forum, that mentioned using the Z-2300 on a keyboard or piano....just Google Logitech.

I also use a set on my Yamaha PSR-S910 arranger/workstation...it sounds awesome.

Good luck,

Snazzy
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#1413260 - 04/07/10 08:32 PM Re: Logitech Z-2300 2.1 THX Users. C'mon in! [Re: snazzyplayer]
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Thanks for the links.
How does this system compare with an acoustic piano?
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#1413267 - 04/07/10 08:44 PM Re: Logitech Z-2300 2.1 THX Users. C'mon in! [Re: fe2008]
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Well. I'd say it's pretty darn loud...at least as loud as a big grand...the system adds great bottom end to any digital piano...most of them don't have very good speaker systems...the satellites aren't too shrill...they seem to handle mid range very well, and the sub woofer really lets the low notes breathe.

I believe Logitech has a great return policy, so you could always take them back, but I don't think you will have to, or want to.

Snazzy
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#1413289 - 04/07/10 09:42 PM Re: Logitech Z-2300 2.1 THX Users. C'mon in! [Re: snazzyplayer]
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Snazzy -

How would you compare these speakers to monitors, such as the Behringer Truth B2031a?

Lawrence
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#1413320 - 04/07/10 10:38 PM Re: Logitech Z-2300 2.1 THX Users. C'mon in! [Re: Melodialworks Music]
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Hi Lawrence,

I haven't tried the Behringer's, which have a freq response of 50 Hz to 21 khz, where as the Logitech go all the way down to 35 Hz...so the bottom is pretty substantial...although some would say that 50 Hz would be okay for a digital piano's low notes, having compared them to KRK Rokit RP5G2s speakers at Zeke's (53Hz to 20kHz) I have to say I preferred the Logitech...the KRK really didn't give the broadness of tone, and didn't bring out that metallic "clank" of a grand's lowest strings...mind you they were good, but the Z-2300's had more testicular fortitude...if you get my drift. wink

They sound great on my arranger as well, and I forgot to mention, I have a third set hooked up to my Playstation 2 for reproducing my Gran Turismo 4 video game's sounds....they have oomph in spades.

Well worth the under $200 price, and very well constructed, and although the satellites are quite lightweight, they are of excellent quality...the sub is huge, and the lows are fat yet tight...the upright bass sound on my PSR sounds as real as it gets.

I can't recommend them highly enough for a great home sound system for a digital piano....you could actually do smaller venues with them.

Now, I'm off to the sack...still no reply from Colleen.

Pete
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#1413440 - 04/08/10 07:46 AM Re: Logitech Z-2300 2.1 THX Users. C'mon in! [Re: snazzyplayer]
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Thanks for tip. I currently have a Roland HP203 that includes 30W speakers if I remeber correctly, but still I'm not quite happy with the speakers.

I used to have a CASIO CDP100 and I tried to connect my relative cheap Logitech PC speakers at the time to get a more powerfull sound, but it also made the sound more digital/flat compared to the onboard speakers. I guess this has to do with frequency range? Basically I enjoyed the sound more from the internal CASIO speakers. So if I understand correctly the frequency range in the Z-2300 is on par compared to internal piano speakers? I have no idea of the frequency range of my HP203 internal speakers or the typical range for piano speakers?

On my Roland I also have an output connection compared to the CASIO where I had to use the headphone output. I think my Roland put's the piano in headphones "mode" when you connect to that one, so using the stereo output would be the way to go? I see that the Z-2300 is not very expensive either so might be worth it.

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#1413590 - 04/08/10 01:43 PM Re: Logitech Z-2300 2.1 THX Users. C'mon in! [Re: Bullitt]
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I bought the Z-2300 set upon reading about it on these forums. It really does sound great. I use it to play back my virtual Steinway (Garritan) and also my CLP-380's sound. The bass is so much better than the clavinova's speakers, and the upper-mid range is much clearer to me.

I got mine from newegg. They have free shipping on them now, and $15 off with this promo code: EMCYRYT44

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836121122

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#1413597 - 04/08/10 01:50 PM Re: Logitech Z-2300 2.1 THX Users. C'mon in! [Re: JBurn]
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if you're saying that it was a good improvement upon your 380 I can't wait to have it plugged in my 330. smile
To me the weakness is on the mid range of the keyboard. It sounds too "dead".


Edited by fe2008 (04/08/10 01:51 PM)
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#1413691 - 04/08/10 04:53 PM Re: Logitech Z-2300 2.1 THX Users. C'mon in! [Re: fe2008]
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I have a Logitech Z-5500 Digital, which might be a bit overkill, since it's 5.1, but the bass / sound is absolutely amazing. I had these speakers for over 6 years now and I never regreted buying them! The subwoofer is veeery powerful, yet precise.

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#1413700 - 04/08/10 05:00 PM Re: Logitech Z-2300 2.1 THX Users. C'mon in! [Re: CruelStrings]
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I don't have a digital, but I use the Z-2300 on my work computer, and I was so impressed by the sound quality that I bought a system for my husband's office computer. Great playback quality on piano music. Best value for the money for computer speakers, imo.
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#1413704 - 04/08/10 05:07 PM Re: Logitech Z-2300 2.1 THX Users. C'mon in! [Re: fe2008]
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In tnis video review of the Z-2300 ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNx2i5o8DBw ) he mentions that some have commented on a lack of "low midrange" response. (although he himself doesn't seem to have an issue) This is something I noticed with a similar system from Altec Lansing. For example, a piece such as LRB's "Reminiscing", that has a prominent and warm sounding electric piano, sounded thin on the Altecs. I ended up ditching the Altecs and getting much larger bookshelf speakers, and a seperate subwoofer. I didn't attempt to use any EQ to solve my issue with the Altecs. (also, I haven't tried the Z-2300s for myself)

Greg.


Edited by sullivang (04/08/10 05:09 PM)

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#1413734 - 04/08/10 05:52 PM Re: Logitech Z-2300 2.1 THX Users. C'mon in! [Re: sullivang]
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I know Snazzy and others like the Logitech system, but I'm wondering how that would compare to running EP sound through a home stereo system.

I have an old receiver and some bookshelf speakers I could put to use. Alternatively I could route the signal through my home theater system.

Yes, the sound would be coming from somewhere else unless I move speakers around, but what are the other pros and cons?

(My apologies if this is something covered before; I suspect it is.)

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#1413746 - 04/08/10 06:04 PM Re: Logitech Z-2300 2.1 THX Users. C'mon in! [Re: jabe74]
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For you, the listener, it has been suggested to mount the speakers facing the player, and, in the case of the Logitech Z-2300, a little lower than the front of the piano, to also allow for the tilt in the speakers.

I mounted mine just in about two inches from the ends of the piano...the sub goes on the floor, on the left, in my case.

Bookshelf speakers? If they go down to at least 50 Hz, (you could Google them for the specs, if you don't have them) and the lows would be pretty good, but I like having the sub, and the bass going down to 35 Hz.

No harm in trying the old receiver...it might work for you. What kind of piano do you have?

Snazzy
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#1413754 - 04/08/10 06:12 PM Re: Logitech Z-2300 2.1 THX Users. C'mon in! [Re: snazzyplayer]
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Still shopping, actually, and planning ahead. I have an old acoustic but am looking at Yamahas -- either a P155 or maybe one of the new stage pianos. Unfortunately there are no stores nearby that carry high-end Yamahas. I tried the 635 but didn't like it a whole lot.

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#1413755 - 04/08/10 06:14 PM Re: Logitech Z-2300 2.1 THX Users. C'mon in! [Re: jabe74]
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What do you prefer/give the best playing experience: listen to your piano using your headphojnes or through the logitech z-2300?
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#1413757 - 04/08/10 06:17 PM Re: Logitech Z-2300 2.1 THX Users. C'mon in! [Re: jabe74]
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Speakers will make a big difference...my little old P-85 sounds pretty darn good through the Logitech...the bottom notes sound like a big old grand (one that's in tune, of course). wink

I also found they had warmth as well...not brittle sounding at all....mids are very good.

The P-155 is a nice piano.

The CP-50 will be out soon...maybe have a look at that one?

Snazzy
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#1414328 - 04/09/10 04:23 PM Re: Logitech Z-2300 2.1 THX Users. C'mon in! [Re: snazzyplayer]
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I got em.

I think they're cheaper than "studio monitor" type speakers.
However, they'll color the sound a little compared to studio monitors' "flat" response. (For mixing or whatever)
(or at least so i've heard on this forum)

But if you just wanna hear the dang piano, and especially if you're playing for others in the (not too huge) room, they're pretty nice.

My cp33 has no internal speakers so i can't compare.
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#1414338 - 04/09/10 04:42 PM Re: Logitech Z-2300 2.1 THX Users. C'mon in! [Re: Stephen Hazel]
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If you are doing any recording, and/or mixing, you should be using a good set of headphones just for that purpose.

Snazzy
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#1415852 - 04/12/10 01:15 PM Re: Logitech Z-2300 2.1 THX Users. C'mon in! [Re: JBurn]
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Quote:
I bought the Z-2300 set upon reading about it on these forums. It really does sound great. I use it to play back my virtual Steinway (Garritan) and also my CLP-380's sound. The bass is so much better than the clavinova's speakers, and the upper-mid range is much clearer to me.


JBurn, do you really mean that you prefer the sound of the Logitech Z-2300 set to your Clavinova CLP-380's:

• Amplifier (35W + 20W + 20W) x 2 + 12W x 2
• Speaker System 6 5/16" + 3 1/8" + 1" (dome) x 2 + 3 1/8" x 2
• Tri-Amp System
• iAFC


This should mean that for less than 200$ you can let a 340 or 370 (or maybe even a 240, 270 or 280) sound better than a 380 !!! (except maybe for the extra step/layer AWM and the String Resonance).

Sounds almost to good to be true, but if it does, tomorrow i rush to the shop to buy such a set! crazy
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#1416084 - 04/12/10 10:51 PM Re: Logitech Z-2300 2.1 THX Users. C'mon in! [Re: Copilot]
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Copilot,

I do prefer the sound of the Z-2300. I think the position of the speakers has a lot to do with them sounding better to me. I'm 6'6" tall and the Z-2300s, sitting atop the 380, are at a perfect angle and better project the sound up towards my ears.

If you pick up a set I hope they please you as much as they have pleased me.

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#1416501 - 04/13/10 02:52 PM Re: Logitech Z-2300 2.1 THX Users. C'mon in! [Re: JBurn]
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I did a lot of research on the internet and after a lot of reading and comparing specs and meanings, i've decided that the Logitech Z-2300 is thé thing to buy (under 200$) for a digital piano.

I ordered a set, and on Wednesday i shall have them.

After testing i'll give you people my impressions.

Can't wait!
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#1416504 - 04/13/10 02:55 PM Re: Logitech Z-2300 2.1 THX Users. C'mon in! [Re: Copilot]
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Can't wait for your review too smile
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#1416535 - 04/13/10 03:50 PM Re: Logitech Z-2300 2.1 THX Users. C'mon in! [Re: Copilot]
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Originally Posted By: Copilot
Quote:
I bought the Z-2300 set upon reading about it on these forums. It really does sound great. I use it to play back my virtual Steinway (Garritan) and also my CLP-380's sound. The bass is so much better than the clavinova's speakers, and the upper-mid range is much clearer to me.


JBurn, do you really mean that you prefer the sound of the Logitech Z-2300 set to your Clavinova CLP-380's:

• Amplifier (35W + 20W + 20W) x 2 + 12W x 2
• Speaker System 6 5/16" + 3 1/8" + 1" (dome) x 2 + 3 1/8" x 2
• Tri-Amp System
• iAFC


This should mean that for less than 200$ you can let a 340 or 370 (or maybe even a 240, 270 or 280) sound better than a 380 !!! (except maybe for the extra step/layer AWM and the String Resonance).


The sound system I just set up is about the same price. If you total up the drivers it works out to six of them. But what really matters more is the total frequency response. and if a sub is used the crossover frequency of the sub.
Watts don't mean anything until you multiply them by the speaker efficiency. A difference of 3dB efficiency is the same as doubling the watts in the amp. So 25W can be the same as 100W depending on how the speakers are designed. efficiency rating fall in the range of about 84 to 96 dB (at 1 watt and 1 meter.)

Sub crossover frequency matters because human hears can't locate the source of sound if the frequency is much below 60Hz. So a sub with a 60Hz cut off you can place anywhere is the room. But if small, under sized left and right channel speakers are used then the sub has to cross over at 100Hz or even higher and your ears can locate it and the effect is spoiled and you notice the sound is coming from a speaker.


But any way you do it. It seems that even a "cheap" $200 audio system is leaps and bounds better then what Yamaha puts in there better pianos.

Now we see how easy it is to better the CLP380 our next target is the Avent Grand N3. What will it take to best the N3?

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#1416566 - 04/13/10 04:34 PM Re: Logitech Z-2300 2.1 THX Users. C'mon in! [Re: ChrisA]
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It's great to hear these great speaker options for my Yamaha P155. I also saw on the "Piano Buyer" guide, the Logitech Z-2300 is recommended for digital pianos.

ChrisA's setup also looks nice for a very economical price.

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#1416745 - 04/13/10 10:40 PM Re: Logitech Z-2300 2.1 THX Users. C'mon in! [Re: cosmicblue]
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Here's quite a thorough and positive review of the Z2300's: http://www.macintouch.com/speakers01/review.html

Does anyone actually know what the crossover frequency is? (i.e between the sub and the satellites)

Greg.

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#1416927 - 04/14/10 09:12 AM Re: Logitech Z-2300 2.1 THX Users. C'mon in! [Re: sullivang]
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I've found a few posts now that state that the crossover frequency is 150Hz, which isn't ideal. (full THX certification actually calls for an 80Hz crossover - it appears that the Z-2300s have been certified to some lesser THX standard)

Here's one link where the 150Hz crossover is mentioned. Interestingly, this person replaced the standard Z-2300 satellites with bookshelf speakers.
http://aussiegeeks.lefora.com/2008/10/18/cheap-easy-upgrade-for-the-logitech-z-2300s/

150Hz isn't all that bad, though - according to this Audioholics link:
"160Hz is the lowest frequency that is consistently localizable by most people in most situations."

Greg.


Edited by sullivang (04/14/10 09:42 AM)

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#1416990 - 04/14/10 10:57 AM Re: Logitech Z-2300 2.1 THX Users. C'mon in! [Re: JBurn]
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Interesting thread... I just ordered these speakers for my P-155 and will also test them on my CLP-380. I have no doubt they will outperform the P-155's speakers (which are terrible) but skeptical about the 380. Let's see...

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