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Instead of simply discussing a new piano, there are always those who enjoy sliding off into personalities making undue innuendo.

Someone's "style of posting" may very well be different from mine - but it has nothing to to with the news of this new piano.

By the way, the innuendo of me posting 'rumours' or 'partial information' is completely false and certainly uncalled for in the context of this thread.

It's quickly picked up and reinforced by those who happen to have perhaps disagreed with some of my own posts or opinions in the past.

Cheap stuff, not exactly classy...

Sorry to all who are getting distracted by this.

Norbert

Norbert - I've appreciated all of your posts that I've read. In general I'd rather read lots of info and then filter as necessary. If someone disagrees with a post, they always have the option of posting their own opinion, or just moving on and ignoring it.

I really can not see how the original post could be qualified as rumour!

For me this is factual pre-launch information: customers, dealers can test drive (pre order) a new piano that is physically there and ready to be launched. In marketing technical terms this is called the beta-phase.

But perhaps that some prefer reading post-launch information in press releases, glossy brochures of either new models or hyped ugraded models.

At least I do not need a piano forum for that.

schwammerl.

need more information! When will it be out? Just how great is it? Will it save the whales?

Well, in all seriousness, this is a piano that has me very excited. Any idea when we can expect those "glossy brochures" and sample pianos to drool over?

Estonia is not in 'glossy brochures' - doesn't exactly suit their style....

Reports so far received indicate this will be a superb instruement - it's not just a 'larger Estonia' but an entirely new piano.

Righ now the raffle is on who will be able to get one of these.

Estonia will exhibit the piano first during next NAMM and will need to secure one of these pianos for themselves as well.

Don't forget it takes a long time to make one of them, as all their other models, these are not exactly mass-produced pianos....

Norbert

Feel free to place your orders!

Norbert (or Rich G) -- any idea what features will make this an "entirely new piano???"

And I'm guessing Estonia will use this new model to re-align their pricing structure. That is, price the 225 about 10-15% shy of a Steinway B and adjust the 168 and 190 accordingly???

I suppose we'll soon find out...

Brent

Brent,

This piano is a departure for Estonia in that they have never built a piano of this size before. Additionally this is a new scale. String length, bridge placement, soundboard dimensions, etc. - they are all different.

However, every piano has a signature tone and I fully expect to hear the Estonia tone in this new model. I cannot say exactly what Norbert meant in his last post, as we've never had this discussion, but I am sure he will respond with his thoughts.

Hi Rich,

Thanks for the response. I hope you'll allow me a few minutes to admire one in your showroom before it flies out the door!

(Perhaps you could use your special powers to arrange a 225 debut performance by Indrek Laul himself at Cunningham Piano!?!?!?!?!?!? I'm sure one or two people would show up for that )

Brent

The details of a brand new piano cannot be discussed until all the facts are known. Nobody has seen this piano as of yet.

My posted information were verbatim quotes from Dr. Laul who is presently in factory. We are not in competition of "who knows what" at this particular point.

We are all excited about this long planned, new model which is expected to open completely new doors for its maker.

The basic point is that there are few makers who are bringing out new models at this particular time of the economy.

I believe this signifies that Estonia may be in a slightly different spot.

Norbert

I absolutely agree, Norbert. Thank you.

So any word on the new Estonia grand?

I found this:
Estonia 225 with President of Estonia

Bump

I'm waiting too...but my 190 has been such a problem I'm probably going in another direction.

Most presumably it will be officially presented at the 2011 NAMM, so January 2011.

schwammerl.

Your 190 has been a problem? Was it bought new?

Yes, most of the strings were replaced because there were kinks in them, but it still sounds poor. It has/had other issues as well. It's just a lemon. When time and money permit I hope to get another piano.

Will your dealer allow you full value on your 190 to trade up?

Not sure, I'm probably going to another dealer anyway.

Wow, definitely a lemon! Sorry to hear that- I would be hesitant to get another Estonia, too if I had problems with one like that, and I would have complained loudly to the dealer who sold it to me. However, I bet you won't have problems like that if you were to try it again. It's unfortunate that I see that your posts are usually very negative about your Estonia, when the majority of posts on the brand (for the last ten years of production) are extremely positive.