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#1521715 - 09/24/10 09:22 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
Jeffrey Preston Offline
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custard apple - I'm printing that out and jamming on it, thank you. Hope you don't mind

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#1521746 - 09/24/10 10:31 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Hey Cus,

Working on Donna Lee, the head and the changes in a couple of keys.
I started the very early arrangement also.
And writing an arrangement on Unforgettable.

Band is doing ok, it's been hard with the vacation and all, but we're having fun.

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#1522096 - 09/24/10 08:30 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Hey Geoff
You’re most welcome and it’s good you’ve joined the forum. I’m really looking forward to composing over the changes to Sugar. Do you have a recording device ? If so, it would be great to hear your jamming.
I like Stanley Turrentine’s improv here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wls-GDb3Yw0


Knotty
The songs you’re working on sound complex.
I’m nowhere near your standard. This weekend I will look through the Bill Evans arrangement book and try to find something easier than Very Early

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#1522162 - 09/24/10 10:42 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Geoff
This shows the timing of the chord changes for Sugar/ Dave Frank’s Sweet and Low. You will probably find this more useful for jamming. Have a kool time.

http://www.box.net/files/0/item/f_512913243#/files/0/item/f_512913243/1/f_512913243

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#1522288 - 09/25/10 08:46 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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>> The songs you’re working on sound complex.
Not really. Donna Lee sounds scary, but it's the changes to Indiana. The head is tricky, but that part is just memorizing.

The very early arrangement is very playable at any level. It's just how much time you want to spend on it. I think 4 hours and you'll be able to play it slow (say 60 bpm). Another 3 hours and you'll be going 100 or so.

I think the first one I played was Letter to Evan or Periscope. All of these are easy. I am not good at playing from sheet. Someone with decent reading skills would sight read them easy.

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#1522931 - 09/26/10 07:58 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Knotty, your guidance is appreciated and I think I will start with Letter to Evan.

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#1522974 - 09/26/10 10:00 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
knotty Offline
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Apples,

I recorded it some time ago,
letter to evan:
http://www.box.net/shared/n5iqf45qke

your box link above is incorrect. To share, you have to right click the link , choose share and "get link to file"
A simple URL copy paste does not work.

++

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#1522976 - 09/26/10 10:07 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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in these arrangements, it's worth spending a bit of time trying to understand why they work. While these are easy to play, they are harmonically very advanced. In letter to Evan, check out the 3rd and 4th line and see how he moves from G to C to F.
You'll want to reuse some of these tricks, whichever bits you understand, in your own arrangements later on.

Much of it, I do not understand.

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#1523350 - 09/27/10 12:19 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
Jeffrey Preston Offline
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Knotty- I listened to your arrangement. Kudos, I wish I could phrase and be comfortable with inversions like that. Reminds me of Bill Evans ha

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#1523405 - 09/27/10 02:44 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Knotty
Your rendition is so very beautiful, thank you for sharing. I'm going to start learning it this week.
Nowadays when you play ballads, do you prefer to work with the metronome/ play rubato/ both ?

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#1523415 - 09/27/10 03:04 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Geoff
Apologies, I didn't realise my link was sus until Knotty kindly mentioned it.

http://www.box.net/shared/vgahivivq5

Hopefully this one works.

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#1523518 - 09/27/10 07:51 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Thanks Geoff!

>> Nowadays when you play ballads, do you prefer to work with the metronome/ play rubato/ both ?
I learn with the metronome. Or else, it takes forever. I learn the tune in strict time, and then once I got it, I turn the metronome off and play freely. Dave told me that playing solo piano is compared to reading a poem. So that's how I try to think of it now, tell a story as if reading a poem, rather than singing a song or reading a book.

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#1524139 - 09/28/10 06:57 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
custard apple Offline
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I so love that analogy. Amongst other things, does it imply that when one plays a ballad, one is free to phrase in whatever way that one feels is appropriate at the time ?

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#1524215 - 09/28/10 09:50 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
knotty Offline
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I'm not really sure what it means. But if you watch someone recite a poem: fast, stop, breath, strong, soft, that's the idea. Playing solo, you get to play with time a lot.
It makes it really had to transcribe, because some parts are in strict time, while some part just drag, and some runs just don't quite fit. But it works.

great album to check out:
Monty Alexander @ Maybeck

One of my top 3 Maybeck albums.

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#1524806 - 09/29/10 05:55 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: knotty]
custard apple Offline
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I’m glad you've introduced me to Monty Alexander. I’ve now finished listening to a sampler of his Maybeck album, yes there are a lot of ballads and he plays them as if reading poetry. I’ve put the album on my wishlist, in the meantime I will buy the ballad Estate.

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#1524845 - 09/29/10 07:50 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
knotty Offline
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2 more maybeck albums for your wishlist:
Gene Harris
Dave McKenna

McKenna is total dynamite and possibly some of the finest solo piano you'll ever hear.

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#1524929 - 09/29/10 11:00 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: knotty]
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Nice thread. Generally The first chorus of a tune, whether rubato or a ballad, can be delivered like a poem. After that chorus, you should stay in time often until the end. However, anything is possible! If it sounds good, it's good!

Dave Frank

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#1525420 - 09/30/10 05:31 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
custard apple Offline
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hehe Knots, it’s been getting kind of expensive knowing you !! I’ve just ordered Dave McKenna @ Maybeck on Amazon. But it will take me EVEN longer than usual to receive it, I’ve shipped it to an English address as Amazon won’t ship it here.

Hey Dave
Thanks for taking the time to help us out. By chorus do you mean Theme A ? In Letter to Evan is this the 1st 16 measures which ends on the dominant G7 ?
I’m really happy that your next masterclass is on Bill Evans solo.

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#1525483 - 09/30/10 09:05 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
knotty Offline
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Hey Cus,

Chorus means the entire tune, through the entire changes. It's typically 32 measures. Usually you'd play the melody once (1st chorus), then play solo for a chorus or two, and them you might play one last chorus with the melody. During the solo, typically you play in time, either left hand chords, or walking bass, stride etc...

What you refer to theme A is usually called A section. Often, jazz standards have an A section and a B section, going AABA, the B section being the bridge. AABA would be one chorus.

In the bill evans book you got, I believe they always only write down one chorus, so it's really up to you what you want to do after you've played that.

I just notices this was added recently:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnjVrpyVEVQ

Here Bill plays one chorus solo piano, and then the rhythm section kicks in.

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#1526006 - 10/01/10 02:59 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
custard apple Offline
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Hey Knotty
Thank you for your very clear explanation of the terminology and also for the great version of Letter to Evan.

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#1545955 - 10/29/10 05:59 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Hello
This is my 5th composition. I would love your comments.

http://www.box.net/shared/a8zfh8gsh7

http://www.box.net/shared/aqy8d6efdz

Cheers
custard

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#1546073 - 10/29/10 09:58 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
knotty Offline
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Cus,

This is going really great for you. I like how you use similar rhythms between lines.
Also, you are not afraid to play with various sounds.
Like Dave was saying in the Bill Evans class, anything can happen at any time, but do watch for those approaching notes on downbeats.
For example, 1st measure, Eb on the A-6 is because you are creating a bluesy line, but tense. Particularly on the 1st beat, it will hide the underlying harmony. You could also try this as a crush note to give a bluesy flavor. In this case, I think it works, but try the 4th (D) instead, or the 5(E) to see how it sounds and what you like best.

In bar 5, on the A-6 again, I would probably replace that C# with something else, unless you wanted to play an A7 instead of A-, therefore changing the harmony. Playing notes 1/2 step above a chord tone, on the downbeat is going to clash. So use carefully.

Likewise in bar 7, we have the E7 on beat 3, but play a D#, a major 7.

Somehow I like the last measure, despite ending on a C# on top of the A-.

You're starting your lines on offbeats, which is most common in Jazz, so that's great. You can try mixing it up once in a while.
Your use of ascending and descending lines I think is also getting better. Triplets like you did in the last measure work very nicely. In fact, I'm working on Confirmation right now, and Bird uses this device every single line.

Which joi tune are you on otherwise?

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#1546486 - 10/29/10 06:56 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
custard apple Offline
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Hi Knotty
I want to say thanks for your comments on all my compositions. Your detailed feedback has helped me to improve quickly. I found this one easier to compose largely because you had recommended that I use repetition and arpeggios.
Who can I listen to for awesome ascending and descending arpeggios ?

Yes the repeated motif in the A section sounded tense; as you pointed out “playing notes half a step above a chord tone on the downbeat is going to clash”.
What is a crush note in jazz ?

Am I starting to count in 4s ?

I’m on Lesson 15, the JOI jazz tune is Fowl Play. Is this based on Byrd like by Freddie Hubbard ?

Did you do a composition on Lesson 6 All of Me ?

I’m really looking forward to hearing your Confirmation by Bird.

Have a nice weekend.
cus

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#1546550 - 10/29/10 09:43 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
knotty Offline
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>> Who can I listen to for awesome ascending and descending arpeggios ?
All of the singing along tunes listed in the book are going to be a great source of solos. I think the idea is to provide a good amount of continuity. I remember some of your first lines where a little bit scattered, but this is getting better now.

>> What is a crush note in jazz ?
A grace note. Very bluesy. A minor pentatonic, you play the Eb before the E. But you just slide the finger, making it dirty.

>> Am I starting to count in 4s ?
yes. When you start improvising, this will get even easier. You will see, it's a simplified way to instantly swing.

>> I’m on Lesson 15, the JOI jazz tune is Fowl Play. Is this based on Byrd like by Freddie Hubbard ?
Yardbird Suite, by Charlie Parker. Great tune!

>> Did you do a composition on Lesson 6 All of Me ?
Yes: http://jazzitup-knot.blogspot.com/2009/05/take-it-or-leave-it.html

>> I’m really looking forward to hearing your Confirmation by Bird.
I'm not sure I'll record it. I learned Donna Lee in 2 keys and didn't really feel like recording.

Let me know when you're ready to start improvising!

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#1546600 - 10/29/10 11:23 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: knotty]
custard apple Offline
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Hi Knotty
Thanks for your Composition 6 and I love the funny title.

I've just listened to Yardbird Suite on you-tube, it sounds real fun.

On improvising, I think I will start in the New Year. By then I will have increased my jazz vocab and I will have done a couple more compositions. Do you agree ?

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#1548168 - 11/01/10 05:10 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
custard apple Offline
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Hey Knotty, if you have time, would you mind doing a quick check of my chord analysis for Lesson 6 All of Me ?
Thank you !

http://www.box.net/shared/3uvutukh8f

Cheers
custard

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#1555382 - 11/11/10 04:42 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
custard apple Offline
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Hi
Knotty left me with a hard act to follow when he recorded Letter to Evan.
This is the first Bill Evans song I’ve played. It’s special because not only did he compose the music but the lyrics as well.
This is Andy LaVerne’s arrangement, I’ve only made a couple of additions - after Dave's masterclass, I couldn't wait to throw in the "large budding flower"s in the LH at the end of the B section.

http://www.box.net/shared/1dv7grzjlc

I’m interested to know what you think.

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#1555441 - 11/11/10 07:52 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
knotty Offline
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Very nicely played!!
I really liked that large budding flower. What a great place to put it, really well done.

I have no criticism whatsoever.
Keep playing it once in a while if you can, and each time, it will get a bit better. Depending on how much you like it, you can add even more effects.

Maybe this: watch the sustain pedal, in parts, it was a bit heavy.

You're going to love arranging !!

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#1555659 - 11/11/10 01:59 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Hi Knotty
You’re so encouraging. Do you think I should keep on working on effects for Letter to Evan or move straight onto arranging Never Let Me Go ?

Thanks.

custard

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#1555818 - 11/11/10 06:46 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
knotty Offline
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you could move to arranging a piece if you're ready. And meanwhile, learn a new Bill Evans tune.

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