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#1423532 04/24/10 07:12 PM
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Sorry if this is a dumb topic, but my teacher wants me to learn a romantic piece by one of the other Romantic composers that I haven't worked on (pretty much not Chopin, Rachmaninoff, Beethoven, Liszt...). Anyways, can someone recommend me some great works by some composers such as Schubert, Schumann, or Brahms (or other romantic composers). I am sadly not very familiar with their works, and it would be very appreciated. I would like it to challenge me. Thanks!


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Schubert impromptu's Op.90. check them out. My favorites are 3 and 4.


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Did your teacher have any recommendations?

The late Brahms piano works are amazing. Op 116 (7 pieces), Op 117 (3 pieces), Op 118 (6 pieces), and Op 119 (4 pieces). Highly recommended if you're not familiar with them.

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In the age of Youtube, I don't understand how someone at your extremely advanced level isn't more familiar with the main works of the three composers you mention. To reach such an advanced level at such a young age I think it would take a great love of music in addition to a huge amount of talent.

School/practicing/other interests take too much time or...?

About how long a piece do you want? There are many great and challenging pieces by each of these composers.

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Originally Posted by Ridicolosamente
Did your teacher have any recommendations?

The late Brahms piano works are amazing. Op 116 (7 pieces), Op 117 (3 pieces), Op 118 (6 pieces), and Op 119 (4 pieces). Highly recommended if you're not familiar with them.

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Daniel you beat me to it. This is exactly what I was going to suggest.

Sam, they are gorgeous. Why not tackle an entire opus? I've been working on 119 for about 9 months. Every piece has its challenges and they are satisfying and beautiful.


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Xtraheat, I'd check out Bortkiewicz, I'm very found of this piece:


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Thanks for the suggestions everyone! I will look into all of them. Pianolover, it is not that I am "unfamiliar" and I know all of their basic repetoire, but I have not delved deep enough to know of their off the beaten path masterpieces


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Ditto to the Schubert Opus 90 No. 3 and most of the Brahm's works mentioned (Opus 117 would be a good one to start with). Xtraheat may have the chops to tackle the Schubert "Wanderer Fantasy" - but that's a really big piece. In terms of Schumann, there's the Opus 2 Papillons, the Opus 12 Phantasiestucke or the Opus 21 Noveletten. I'm really surprised that Xtraheat hasn't been exposed to these works yet - but its never too late !!! thumb


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I forgot about Schumann's Fantasie in C. That's on my to do list.


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Originally Posted by xtraheat
I will look into all of them. Pianolover, it is not that I am "unfamiliar" and I know all of their basic repetoire, but I have not delved deep enough to know of their off the beaten path masterpieces
Then I think you should choose one of their better known pieces.

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You might consider Invitation to the Dance by Weber, or his Sonatas and some of his other larger works. Dvorak's American Suite is also better known in its orchestral version, but is perhaps worth looking into. Dohnanyi's piano music is very Brahmsian, and often more accessible than Brahms' piano music. Balakierev wrote a Sonata and some other piano music besides Islamei which is worthwhile. On another vein, Gottschalk wrote a fair amount of interesting music.


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Brahms, the Op. 4 Scherzo, the Op. 10 Ballades.
Schumann, Carnaval, Op. 9 (I know everyone plays it but I love it), the fsharp minor sonata, Kreisleriana, or you could play the four fugues from Op. 72 that no one plays.
For something really off the beaten path you could look into the Busoni Toccata, K. 287. I think it fits your personality.

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Schumann's Fantasie in C major is one of the great pieces of the piano literature. I would also suggest Kreisleriana and Carnaval.
For Brahms, there is the C major Sonata, Variations and Fugue on a Theme of Handel. (Which I think is a better piece than the Paganini Variations.) And for Schubert, there are the great piano sonatas, both A majors (664 & 959), the C minor (958) and the B-flat major (960).


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Originally Posted by DameMyra
Schumann's Fantasie in C major is one of the great pieces of the piano literature. I would also suggest Kreisleriana and Carnaval.
For Brahms, there is the C major Sonata, Variations and Fugue on a Theme of Handel. (Which I think is a better piece than the Paganini Variations.) And for Schubert, there are the great piano sonatas, both A majors (664 & 959), the C minor (958) and the B-flat major (960).


I agree with you in regard to the Handel Variations. I love them. The C major sonata is one of my favorites as well.



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The Brahms late shorter works are all great, not really off the beaten path per se though. I'm not a huge fan of Schubert, however a couple of summers ago I heard a fellow student do the "Drei Klavierstucke" D. 946 and thought they were really great pieces. They are pretty well off the beaten path for being by such a well-liked composer and they looked pretty challenging.

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Originally Posted by xtraheat
such as Schubert, Schumann, or Brahms (or other romantic composers). I am sadly not very familiar with their works, and it would be very appreciated. I would like it to challenge me. Thanks!


I think you would enjoy playing the C major sonata by Brahms.

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Originally Posted by stores

I agree with you in regard to the Handel Variations. I love them. The C major sonata is one of my favorites as well.

No arguments there. Do you like the variations Op 21 #1? I played them some years back, why don't we hear them more often? This is superb stuff.

BTW, I've never performed the Dvorak Dumky trio, but have read through it MANY times. There are incredible dreams in my life -amongst them playing the Busoni Concerto, performing the Percy Whitlock sonata at Liverpool Anglican, all that stuff. But some day I WILL do the Dvorak. I have been obsessed with it for years.


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Originally Posted by stores
Brahms... the Op. 10 Ballades


I was going to suggest these too, partly because I'm going to learn them after my recital (professor at my future college told me to). They are great pieces! Brahms has some good variation sets too.

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I agree with you in regard to the Handel Variations. I love them. The C major sonata is one of my favorites as well.

No arguments there. Do you like the variations Op 21 #1? I played them some years back, why don't we hear them more often? This is superb stuff.

BTW, I've never performed the Dvorak Dumky trio, but have read through it MANY times. There are incredible dreams in my life -amongst them playing the Busoni Concerto, performing the Percy Whitlock sonata at Liverpool Anglican, all that stuff. But some day I WILL do the Dvorak. I have been obsessed with it for years.


Yes, I do like them (and 21/2 as well). Not AS crazy about them as the Handel or Paganini, but yes, they SHOULD be played more often.



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For someone as advanced as you, I'm surprised you don't know much of their works..

How about chamber? The Brahms f minor quintet is amazing. Orrrr any of the trios! I think they are the best of his works.

P.S. Beethoven and Schubert romantic? Really?



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