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#1424293 - 04/26/10 02:32 AM
Re: Piano newbie looking to buy first digital piano
[Re: pleasance]
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Registered: 04/15/10
Posts: 5
Loc: Vancouver, BC
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Just bought the P155 a few days ago. If you're looking for graded weighted keys, the P155 is excellent and comparing it with an acoustic will not be a noticeable difference. However, it comes at a hefty price if you're a beginner so you might want to look at a cheaper alternative - it won't really take away from the learning curve in the preliminary stages. I'm not sure how old the P80 is but the P85 is a really cheap and relatively new DP with a pretty solid action for the price.
Hope that helps!
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#1424655 - 04/26/10 04:58 PM
Re: Piano newbie looking to buy first digital piano
[Re: adriel&jazz]
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4000 Post Club Member
Registered: 04/24/05
Posts: 4521
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All keyboard instruments--organ, harpsichord, clavichord, fortepiano, synth, upright, grand, digital, controller keyboard connected to a pc running piano software, 61-key unweighted portable keyboard, etc.--are played essentially the same way, and you can in fact learn piano on anything with piano-style keys. There is a rollout piano on a plastic sht. that people laugh at, but I tried it and I was surprised with how okay it was; I see no problem with learning piano on one of these. It is in fact marketed on late night tv as a piano learning system. In fact, since the striking bars on a xylophone are laid out the same as the keys on a piano, a good xylophonist can play the piano without instruction.
Therefore I regard your question as not really valid. Either digital would be more than satisfactory for learning on. I use a Williams Overture digital that I bought for $600 sight-unseen online last yr. (it now sells for $500). People with expensive digitals sneer at something like this, but I like it. I can play anything on it, from jazz improvisation to big concertos.
A graded (or progressive) action is not necessary. Graded actions are a rather recent innovation. Before that, digitals had non-graded actions and that was perfectly fine. Graded actions supposedly recreate the graded action on a grand piano, where the treble is lighter than the bass. But this effect is hardly noticeable. I had yrs. of classical lessons as a child--when I was 7 the teacher had a big grand in the studio--and I never noticed this graded effect, and only found out about it recently when digital manufacturers started advertising it.
Another thing you don't need is a half-pedal feature. This is another recent feature that digitals got along without just fine for yrs. All a half-pedal does is encourage sloppy pedaling, in my opinion.
Today only economy digitals have the older non-graded action and non-half-pedal. When shopping for digitals last yr., I deliberately looked for a less expensive digital with a non-graded action and a non-half pedal. My Williams digital has a non-graded action and a non-half-pedal, and I like it that way. The heavy, non-graded action builds greater strength, and the non-half-pedal encourages crisp pedaling.
One feature you should get is record and playback. Most, but not all, digitals have this. If you're buying online, look for the words: song memory or song recorder.
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#1424669 - 04/26/10 05:23 PM
Re: Piano newbie looking to buy first digital piano
[Re: pleasance]
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Registered: 12/28/08
Posts: 3768
Loc: Redondo Beach, California
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I am shopping for a digital piano to practice on. I was thinking of either the Yamaha p80 or p155. I am pretty much a beginner even though I have taken lessons in my earlier youth. The P155 is perfect for what you want but I think the P80 is a much older version of the P155 and has the same keys action. It is not to be confused with the current P85 with uses the GHS key action. If you can find an old P80 (with GH or GHE key action for cheap it would work almost as well as a P155 for (maybe) 1/4 the price. Also you are going to need a stand. The matching LP140 stand works well with the P155. If you really do intend to transition to an accoustic piano acoustics are all different and a P155 fits within the range of variability of acoustic pianos. But today, most people will never buy or own an Acoustic piano. They are used in a very few homes, teachers studios and on stage for clasicial music. Are you really planning to buy and play an acoustic piano?
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