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#1400564 - 03/21/10 11:44 AM New Casio Privia PX-3
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Information about Privia PX-3BK just appeared on the Casio Europe website:
* Stage piano without speakers
* Editable DSP effects
* 4-band equalizer
* "Ivory touch" keyboard
* Assignable buttons (portamento, rotary switch)
* Master keyboard functionality
* Editable parameters (mixer, tone/synth)

http://www.casio-europe.com/euro/emi/privia/px3bk/
http://www.casio-europe.com/fr/news/article/1555/


Edited by Dusky (03/21/10 01:45 PM)

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#1400622 - 03/21/10 02:04 PM Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 [Re: Dusky]
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Very interesting! If they've managed to improve on the EPs and organs, it might be something worth considering as a stage instrument.

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#1400634 - 03/21/10 02:20 PM Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 [Re: voxpops]
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I wonder if it will be available in the US.

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#1400635 - 03/21/10 02:20 PM Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 [Re: voxpops]
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Interesting, looks like Casio is making these special edition models with more arranger functions. I saw portamento mentioned in the specs, but did not see anything about an arpegiator like most serious synths have. Looks like this is positioned to be a hybrid between a DP and synth. The sound editing functions sound intriguing.

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#1400670 - 03/21/10 02:59 PM Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 [Re: galaxy4t]
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They used to have similar sound editing functions in their WK3000 series instruments - a bit of a clunky menu-driven interface but there, nonetheless. I do like the inclusion of portamento - providing the synth sounds are actually good enough to use. Another throwback to some of the WKs is the use of a button (assignable) for modulation, rather than a wheel. Buttons are certainly better than nothing.

The most interesting thing for me will be whether the sounds have been sufficiently "tweaked" from the PX-330, to allow them to rival Yamaha and Roland stage pianos. The current offerings (beyond the acoustic piano) are sub-par IMO. I also hope they've addressed the slight but noticeable shortcomings in the acoustic sample and implementation - which are apparent in all variations, since they seem to use only the one set of samples, re-eq'd for their Classic AP etc.

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#1400903 - 03/21/10 08:27 PM Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 [Re: voxpops]
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Dusky, thank you for posting this information.

The new PX-3BK looks very interesting. It will undoubtedly appeal to those searching for a lightweight, speaker-less gigging board, and perhaps the home studio VSTi crowd too.

In addition to this model, it would appear that Casio is also launching two more '30th Annivesary' products:

- Celviano AP-6BP: Polished ebony version of the AP-620
- Privia PX-7WE: Matte white version of the PX-730, with 'Ivory Touch' key surfaces

Cheers,
James
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#1401103 - 03/22/10 04:48 AM Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 [Re: Kawai James]
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Good stuff.

It would also be good if Casio could go further, and make a fully fledged master controller, like the M-Audio KeyStation Pro 88 (although that product is now discontinued). Judging by reviews of the M-Audio, I think the Casio action is almost certainly a lot better than it was.

Greg.

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#1401111 - 03/22/10 05:39 AM Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 [Re: sullivang]
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Agreed, I expect an action-only USB-powered MIDI controller will be the next step.

Cheers,
James
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#1404140 - 03/26/10 09:37 AM Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 [Re: cosmicblue]
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Originally Posted By: cosmicblue
I wonder if it will be available in the US.


It will be available in the US in late June early July.
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#1404141 - 03/26/10 09:39 AM Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 [Re: voxpops]
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Originally Posted By: voxpops
Very interesting! If they've managed to improve on the EPs and organs, it might be something worth considering as a stage instrument.



We are working on new demos of the EP and organ sounds which we hope to have posted on www.priviapiano.com in a few weeks. They are still making a few changes to the software (and I have a vacation planned) but I'll let you know here when the audio demos are posted.
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#1404186 - 03/26/10 10:47 AM Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 [Re: Mike_Martin]
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Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
Originally Posted By: voxpops
Very interesting! If they've managed to improve on the EPs and organs, it might be something worth considering as a stage instrument.



We are working on new demos of the EP and organ sounds which we hope to have posted on www.priviapiano.com in a few weeks. They are still making a few changes to the software (and I have a vacation planned) but I'll let you know here when the audio demos are posted.

Thanks for keeping us in the picture, Mike. I, for one, will be very interested to hear how the PX-3 stacks up. Having owned the 310, 320 and 330, I've long admired Casio's attempts to provide a less expensive and lighter alternative to the standard offerings; it's just that, up to now, these pianos have remained practice instruments for me. I'd love it if I could take the PX-3 on stage and know that I was going to get really top-notch sounds.

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#1404693 - 03/27/10 01:32 AM Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 [Re: Mike_Martin]
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Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
Originally Posted By: voxpops
Very interesting! If they've managed to improve on the EPs and organs, it might be something worth considering as a stage instrument.



We are working on new demos of the EP and organ sounds which we hope to have posted on www.priviapiano.com in a few weeks. They are still making a few changes to the software (and I have a vacation planned) but I'll let you know here when the audio demos are posted.


Mike,
Are you able to comment on whether the sound module on the PX3 has gotton a revision or is it basically the module in the PX-330 with some reworked or added patches? Thanks for any insight. The PX3 looks to have some intriguing things on it.


Edited by galaxy4t (03/27/10 01:39 AM)

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#1404697 - 03/27/10 01:44 AM Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 [Re: galaxy4t]
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Originally Posted By: galaxy4t
Mike,
Are you able to comment on whether the sound module on the PX3 has gotton a revision or is it basically the module in the PX-330 with some reworked or added patches? Thanks for any insight. The PX3 looks to have some intriguing things on it.

I'd love to know the answer to that, too.

Having achieved a good quality action in a lightweight shell, it would seem a natural progression to produce a version with better sounds and processing. There must be many people like me who would really appreciate the quality of a RD700GX or a CP5 in a 25lbs package.

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#1404727 - 03/27/10 03:32 AM Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 [Re: voxpops]
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Originally Posted By: voxpops
[quote=galaxy4t]
Having achieved a good quality action in a lightweight shell, it would seem a natural progression to produce a version with better sounds and processing. There must be many people like me who would really appreciate the quality of a RD700GX or a CP5 in a 25lbs package.

Absoutely!
I was considering buying a px330 but were not convinced of the sound; if it's gotten better...well, that could be my choice!
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#1421658 - 04/21/10 09:21 PM Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 [Re: Mike_Martin]
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Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
They are still making a few changes to the software


Any chance they have fixed the "backwards" keyboard split that every Privia I have played suffers from? Specifically, on the PX-330 (and others), when you split the keyboard, any new patch you select alters the lower half of the split. In live performance, if you need to call up a new sound in the middle of a song, you generally want the left hand sound to remain constant while you change the right hand sound, so it's backwards. I wrote to Casio about it years ago, I did get a nice thank you note for my comment, but that's all so far!

Also, I hope they don't use the small dark gray-on-black button legends that they used on the PX-330... impossible to read, especially on stage.

Another feature I've hoped for... when you do a keyboard split, I'd like to be able to send the left side of the split out the left output, and the right side of the split out the right output. This is something else extremely useful for live performance, when you're playing sounds that might lend themselves to different outboard processing, or different amplification, or you want the sounds in separate channels at the mixing board. All of which can easily come into play if you use split for one of the most common live purposes, left hand bass.

I actually wish they'd leave the speakers in, but I know that the market says that that seems "non pro." Personally, I often find them convenient. And sometimes, for a small cocktail hour thing, it's all I need. I also happen to like the way the speakers make the piano "feel" more real, because you can feel the sympathetic vibrations as you play, simulating the effect you get from the real strings in a piano.

I'll be eager to hear the sound samples. I actually thought my old PX-500L had better Rhodes and honky tonk piano than the PX-330. The newer Rhodes patch definitely sounds more digital. I did like the sound of the acoustic pianos on the PX-330, but I found the playability was a little tricky. I'd be playing pretty evenly (or so I thought), and some notes would come out distinctly brighter than others, I must have been playing near the threshold of sample crossing... but it was a problem I never had on older models. Maybe there was some keyboard velocity curve scaling I could have tried adjusting? But the older Privias always played perfect for me out of the box. Maybe they didn't have as many samples under each key to begin with so it was less of an issue, I don't know. That's something else I'll be eager to try on the new one.

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#1421745 - 04/22/10 12:14 AM Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 [Re: anotherscott]
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Anyone wanting more info on the PX-3 can go over to the Keyboard Corner on the Music Player Forums. It looks like it will retail for $799. http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/postlist/Board/18/page/1

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#1422123 - 04/22/10 04:18 PM Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 [Re: anotherscott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott

Any chance they have fixed the "backwards" keyboard split that every Privia I have played suffers from? Specifically, on the PX-330 (and others), when you split the keyboard, any new patch you select alters the lower half of the split. In live performance, if you need to call up a new sound in the middle of a song, you generally want the left hand sound to remain constant while you change the right hand sound, so it's backwards. I wrote to Casio about it years ago, I did get a nice thank you note for my comment, but that's all so far!


YES, this is addressed on the PX-3. You can easily change the sound in the right hand without changing the one in the left.

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Also, I hope they don't use the small dark gray-on-black button legends that they used on the PX-330... impossible to read, especially on stage.


Yes, big differences here. You'll easily see the difference in pictures. Even the jacks on the back of the instrument are clearly labeled on the TOP of the instrument so when you're reaching around to plug in the sustain pedal or audio outputs it's very clear where everything goes.

Quote:
Another feature I've hoped for... when you do a keyboard split, I'd like to be able to send the left side of the split out the left output, and the right side of the split out the right output. This is something else extremely useful for live performance, when you're playing sounds that might lend themselves to different outboard processing, or different amplification, or you want the sounds in separate channels at the mixing board. All of which can easily come into play if you use split for one of the most common live purposes, left hand bass.


Yes this is easily done on the PX-3. You can save this as a registration and during the gig you can change the sound in your right hand WITHOUT affecting the pan position for that tone.

Quote:

I'll be eager to hear the sound samples.


We're working on that now. I hope to have some up by next week.


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#1422140 - 04/22/10 04:52 PM Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 [Re: Mike_Martin]
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Maybe this was fixed in previous versions, but I've read of Privia keyboards wearing out rather quickly (less than a year) with vigorous practice. Is there still a durability problem with the keybed, or are there just a few cranky people making a lot of noise of the internet? Other than the key surface, has the key action been improved?

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#1422180 - 04/22/10 06:16 PM Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 [Re: pkdd]
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Originally Posted By: pkdd
Maybe this was fixed in previous versions, but I've read of Privia keyboards wearing out rather quickly (less than a year) with vigorous practice. Is there still a durability problem with the keybed, or are there just a few cranky people making a lot of noise of the internet? Other than the key surface, has the key action been improved?

I've got a PX330, and I like it. I've had it since last November. It is not heavily used and I've been looking for a home/lifestyle DP and played some better (double the price and more) Yamaha's and Roland's including the new HP305/7. In terms of price/value the Privia beats them.

But, my PX330, which is not heavily used, less than 2 hours per day, occasional monthly gig has developed a clacking on three of the keys. The keys are in general terms quite loose compared to the Yamaha's and Roland's that cost much more, and it is my opinion, that the sideways looseness is part of the clacking problem; it usually shows up doing scales or arpeggios. I can fix it by inserting a cardboard shim between the keys, but it's only really apparent at low volumes and doesn't affect playing at all. Maybe I'm just unlucky and the only one in the world? I still think the Casio is terrific value and will get it 'fixed' under warranty sometime in the future.

I'd be interested to know if the PX-3 uses the same mechanical keyboard action as the PX-330?

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#1422355 - 04/22/10 11:12 PM Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 [Re: spanishbuddha]
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Perhaps Mike Martin can chime in here, but as far as I know, the keybeds used on all Privias and Celvianos are the same. The PX-3 will likely be using the same keybed as the PX-330.

The complaint you raised about the lateral movement of some keys has been reported before along with boards with stuck keys. I think it is limited to a small percentage of product as the PX-330 is no doubt selling well, especially at the $699 price point. I played a 330 that had just been opened and set out at a Sam Ash last weekend and it sounded fantastic. Wonder if Casio has made some tweaks from the early production runs.

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#1422426 - 04/23/10 02:28 AM Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 [Re: spanishbuddha]
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Originally Posted By: spanishbuddha

I'd be interested to know if the PX-3 uses the same mechanical keyboard action as the PX-330?


AFAIK the PX-3 has Ivory keys.

I tested the PX-130 (no Ivory keys) and the PX-830 (Ivory keys) side by side in a store.

The PX 830 keyboard seemed to be a little bit better, less wobbly.

I had the impression it was more precise.
If the keys where more firm in the horizontal (left right) direction then they where comparable to Yamaha keys.

I believe the keybed is the same, but it can be that the ivory keys are assembled with more care. Dont know it, of course.

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#1424964 - 04/27/10 05:30 AM Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 [Re: hpeterh]
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Hi,
I own PX-330. I am satisfied with the sound and this is my 3rd Privia after PX110 and PX220. I read about the new PX-3BK limited edition.
Maybe Mike can comment the questions I have send to Casios support in Februar. (But no satisfying answer yet)

Some things I miss on my Px330 and hope they are fixed on the PX-3

On the Px-3Bk I found that the PX-3BK which has switches for (Portamento,Rotary-Switch) Here on t pianowoldforum I read that it can be assigned as modulation, too.
Can you really confirm this?

Is there already a manual available?
Does the PX-3BK have aftertouch repose?

I know that the PX-3 only has this pitchbend-wheel and missing moulationwheel.
With software changes the pitchbend whell could be assigned as pitchbend from the lower to the mid position and above the middleposition. as modulation. I know these are different MIDI Data types, but it could be possible and would be great!

I have noticed an MIDI malfunction on my PX 330. Sometimes when I play more than 8 Tones with sustain pedal I have overlapping MIDI Output.
This is reproucaple when I strike a note and re-strike the same key shortly later.
Normaly I expect 90 50 60 -> 80 50 7F <- 90 50 23 80 50 7F (7F as note-off velocity)

Sometimes the Hex80 (NOTE OFF) Info which belongs to first note is BEHIND the "Note ON" (HEX90) of the second (same key).
PX330 produces 90 50 60 -> 90 50 23 <- 80 50 7F 80 50 7F (I don't remember the note off values at the moment)
On a real piano I can not strike a key twice without releasing it meanwhile.
Currently I am inbolbrf in a betatest for a new PC MIDI application (leading company operating worldwide) and this new product had a hanging note problem with these overlapping MIDI notes, which definitely came from the PX330. The developer implemented a fix for me, because I was not able to fix it in the PX330.
Maybe this problem has something to do with the 3 contacts keysensors, which will be already the same in PX-3

It is only reproducible when you play many notes, so I think this is an error in the MIDI transmitter routine.
Do you offer firmware update for the px330. I bought it in December 2009 (build in November)

Why does the PX330 send Sustain on/off Commands on all the 3 MIDI Channels which are assigned for the Main-Sound and the accompaniment (2 or 3 Channels I think)? I hope this is fixed on the PX-3.

When I play the PX-330 in LOCAL OFF and use the accompaniment (only drums) some Instruments will not be played, even if I connect MIDI OUT to MIDI IN of the PX-330.
Is this fixed in the PX-3?

Ralf


Edited by PianoRalf (04/27/10 06:26 AM)

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#1424969 - 04/27/10 06:42 AM Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 [Re: PianoRalf]
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I think it could be the three sensor action, although it should also behave the same for a single note.

Play one note only, and then release it partially, such that the note is not terminated, and then press down on the key again. If you do not hear a new note, lift off completely and start all over again. Once you have found the retrigger point, inspect the MIDI.
I think you will find that a new Note-On is transmitted without a Note-Off.

It's interesting that you are still getting two Note-Offs though.

On a grand piano, you can definitely repeat a note without the damper ever touching the strings. smile Research the "repetition lever". (here's an animation, with a "release half way" mode as well: http://www.piano.christophersmit.com/popUpMotion.html )

Btw, I've actually tested a PX-130 - it can definitely sound a new note without the first note being terminated. However, I have not inspected the resultant MIDI messages. (I have asked Casio about the MIDI behaviour, and whilst their response was very brief, it seemed to me that yes, a new Note-On would be sent for a partial repeat, without there first being a Note-Off)

Greg.


Edited by sullivang (04/27/10 07:25 AM)

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#1425346 - 04/27/10 04:22 PM Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 [Re: sullivang]
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Mike - will the new AP-6BP also be avaliable in the USA?

If so can you give any indication on the timeframe?

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#1428152 - 05/02/10 03:27 AM Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 [Re: sullivang]
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Hi,
I am not sure if this is an effect form the 3 contract sensor.
Now I give you the original values
90 37 26 B0 40 7F 90 37 62 80 37 3F B0 40 00 80 37 3F
Here you see, the Note On velocity 26 and 62. I don't think that I have played the second note louder than the first note after releasing the key half. Between the commands I find time values in Standard MIDI File format. The first is 86 62: so these are 2 Time Bytes 7F + 62. So at least 1/2 second.

Ralf

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#1428161 - 05/02/10 04:34 AM Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 [Re: PianoRalf]
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Ralf,
The fact that the sustain pedal up(off) message occurs between the two Note-Offs does look a bit suspicious. I would expect that typically, the two note-offs would occur back to back.

Are you saying that the time difference between the two Note-Offs is half a second?

Have you been able to do the test I suggested yet, to at least see what MIDI is sent when you definitely do invoke the third sensor?

Greg.

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#1428162 - 05/02/10 04:39 AM Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 [Re: spanishbuddha]
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#1428233 - 05/02/10 09:01 AM Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 [Re: sullivang]
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Hi Greg,

the time was 1/2 second between the 2 Note On.

thank you for explaining and the link to the animation. Very interesting and usefull. Now I have plugged my MIDI monitor directly to the PX330 and got the point:
I moved the keys very slow after each other
90 3C 18 80 3C 40 here no point and directly behind is:
90 3C 11 90 30 07 here we see the overlapping Data
80 3C 40 80 3C 40. Noteoffs come with the same release velocity

It does not depend on the velocity but in fact on the amount the key is released. So I could produce: 90 2D 01 90 2D 22
Here the second velocity is higher.
The way is about 7 mm. The full way is 11 mm (full release)
So if you release the key 8 mm a Note off will be send. If you release it half way (below 6 mm) no NOTE off comes, but a new note on.
I guess some MIDI expanders could have problems with this situation. I my case the Sustain off cutted the first note but not the second, this produced a hanging note in this MIDI application I am testing as betatester. Now this is fixed there. But important to know that this is not a "buffer overflow" or something which has to do with the performance. So the PX-330 seems to work correct.



Edited by PianoRalf (05/02/10 09:31 AM)

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#1428239 - 05/02/10 09:24 AM Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 [Re: PianoRalf]
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Excellent - I'm glad you have done this test!

Yes, maybe there needs to be a "compatibility" option, where a Note-Off will be sent when EITHER the top or the middle sensors are triggered! That way, we'd still have most of the benefit of the third sensor, but with no compatibility problems.

Greg.

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#1428302 - 05/02/10 12:12 PM Re: New Casio Privia PX-3 [Re: Dave Ferris]
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I have a Casio PX-575 which uses the older keyboard without the third sensor. I have recently taken it apart to replace the dampening material (strips of felt) that the hammers are parked on. It runs directly under the keyboard and is glued to the bottom cover. You have to dissemble the piano to access it. I have discovered than when the strips flatten out (from the hammers beating against it), the keys chatter, probably because the hammers travel farther and noise increases. The action also becomes less responsive with a mushy feel. I have replaced what Casio uses with foam insulation strips used to insulate around doors and window. This can be bought at Home Depot and Lowes for minimal cost. It seems to hold up much better.

The keybed seems to be well made and is made of heavy duty plastic. There is some lateral movement of the keys but I've never had any trouble with clicking noises. Mine was also missing that strip of felt on the overhang, but I added a piece of that foam insulation which helps prevent the keys from slapping against their rests.


Edited by galaxy4t (05/02/10 12:12 PM)

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