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#1900064 - 05/20/12 01:16 AM Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: casinitaly]
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Hi friends, i had the end of the year recital at my teachers studio. I played Rach 23-5. I thought I did horrible. The only thing I can be proud of is that I somehow played it through. I had a couple of memory losses in the middle of the piece. I did not stop this time. When i had the first memory lapse I sort of filled in g minor arpeggios (since this is a g minor piece) and navigated couple of measures where I can restart. Second time I had it, I filled in with g minor code like a coda and went back to the beginning of the C section this time playing it a bit louder like a crescendo. My teacher must have been rolling her eyes. The funny thing was that no one else knew what a horrible thing I did (I trashed Rachmaninoff's work) except my teacher. A couple of high school and college kids came to me and said that it was great and they immediately recognized what piece that was... (LOL).

Anyway, I felt good that it was over, feeling like a kid who just had a final exam. I went shopping immediately after that and bought tons of clothing. Picked up some sushi and wine on the way back. My husband and I finished 2 whole bottles. He told me he was really glad I went shopping before I had wine. God knows how much more I would have spent! My teacher and I decided to polish up this piece a bit more (no wonder why), so I will keep my word and record this soon. Happy playing:)
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#1900077 - 05/20/12 02:28 AM Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: casinitaly]
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FarmGirl - Congratulations!

I know you folks who play classical music like to be pretty much on target, but for me life is all about moving targets, and to able to play/improvise when the floor is falling out from under you (to mix my analogies) like you did, and to do it so expertly! - is the name of the game. What a great thing to be able to do! I think that is true talent, hard work, and being right in the moment. Very, very, cool. And you kept your cool, too. Perfect. Just perfect.

Will - hm, the names - Emily and ? - play in the next recital?

Cathy
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#1900082 - 05/20/12 02:55 AM Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: casinitaly]
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Farmgirl:
In a way, I think it's much more impressive to play through a memory lapse in such a way that most of the audience doesn't notice than to play through a piece perfectly. In the former case (which you did), you are creating something on the spot and under extreme duress, while in the latter case you are just going through a set of motions rehearsed beforehand.

Because I don't know the piece, I bet I'd have been one of the audience members who remained unaware that a mistake had even been made. Major kudos to you!
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#1900084 - 05/20/12 03:00 AM Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: jotur]
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Way to think on your feet FarmGirl! I think pulling yourself out of imminent disaster is quite an accomplishment. To keep your wits and improvise on the spot is the sign of a true musician. I bet instead of rolling her eyes, your teacher was proud of you! Since you received compliments from the "big" kids, it sounds like your performance was great. Congratulations!
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#1900105 - 05/20/12 06:14 AM Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: casinitaly]
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Welcome Brucepiano --- yes, isn't it funny how something seems so "obvious" once we finally twig to what has to be done!


HAPPY BIRTHDAY EGLANTINE

Hope you had a super day!
(I tried posting yesterday but there were some problems with the site!!)

I'm a leftie too - so far I haven't noticed any significant difficulties because of this. Mind you....my pieces don't compare to what you're working on!! smile

Thanks for the encouragement Andy - I am working on the first 20 bars or so..... It is so very nifty to feel this music coming to life under my fingertips. I think working on the Chopin really set me up well for moving to this piece, as I've really got to use the pedal and make some pretty big "leaps".

Same Rose, I'm sure it won't take you long to improve your trills once you start really working on them. Given what you've been able to achieve so far in such a short time, I'm sure you'll be trilling circles around us in no time.

Welcome Dotted Notes. I find big leaps challenging too - and I can see what I'm doing. I did a google search for braille music to see what it looked like. I saw a simple example of half notes and quarter notes, with one sharp and could not help but wonder how complicated some of the pieces you are playing must look.
I suppose, like anything, you learn it gradually - but still - nothing like having an extra dimension to cope with when learning! Congrats on your exam and good luck for the next one. Both the Debussy and the Chopin are beautiful pieces - radically different, but beautiful. It will be interesting to see which one you choose.

FarmGirl - As the others have said - way to go with a recovery on your memory lapse.!! I would love to be able to be that flexible at the keyboard to just "fill in" until I remembered. I bet your teacher was not rolling her eyes at all, but impressed that you kept going!

SwissMS - 6 weeks without lessons - :(((((( I'm going to have something similar this summer and I am NOT looking forward to it. Nice to be back into your routine, isn't it?

I managed to play the first part of my Chopin at a really nice tempo this morning - of course as soon as I hit the first repeat I couldn't keep up the pace, but this is significant progress and I'm very pleased.
I just realized in the Gymnopedie 1 there is a 4 note chord near the end - I can stretch the octave to get the 2 d notes, but I can't play 2 notes inbetween I'm going to have to give up one of them I think.....:(
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#1900125 - 05/20/12 07:49 AM Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: casinitaly]
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Thanks Casinitaly. It was a lovely day, still in recovery...

Farmgirl, I look forward to the day when I have the skill and presence of mind to be able to pull that off. Well done.

Sam, good luck with those trills. My teacher suggested trilling the 8-note trills with either 4 notes or 6 notes to start, depending on note value and/or place in the piece. That may help me even up the right-hand and left-hand trill too.
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#1900197 - 05/20/12 11:25 AM Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: casinitaly]
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Way to get through it FarmGirl.

For my week #10, I had what might be considered my public debut at Songmakers, a Southern California music group. Songmakers is a fantastic peer-to-peer music group to look up for those in the area. I'll write about my preparation and performance, in a separate post later. The short report is I stumbled through two pieces, had a self-described "train wreck" on a third, played two others with only minor errors. Overall, a success.

I am overwhelmed by the talent and time put into the ABF virtual recital. I thank the many members that are taking the considerable time and patience to listen and comment on every piece, many performed by beginner beginners like me. Congrats to all those participating on the virtual recitals and on this thread. Again, what seems like a small bit of progress may be a big step for someone else.

For my next project, I am working on Asohokan Farewell (made popular by the PBS TV Series on the Civil War). Progress feels slow and frustrating. The four finger chords (A7 Bm7 Em7 D7) sometimes bring me to a halt while I have to look and reposition. With the pain in the hands from two weeks ago, I am often practicing with gloves on and trying to limit actual practice time to 30 minutes to an hour. It takes what seems like forever to do one play through at 1/4 or 1/8 speed.

Thanks again, and again kudos for continuing to progress and reporting that progress. I believe that hearing from others encourages all of us.
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#1900271 - 05/20/12 02:30 PM Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: casinitaly]
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Cathy, Sam R, Cheryl, Eglantine and Sand Tiger, thank you for your kind words and happy birthday to you Eglantine. Now I can indulge in non-classic too:) I played pieces from King's speech. It seems like my struggle with the Rach piece had some positive effect on playing. It became significantly easier to add dynamics. I could be just dreaming too.

I still have to polish the Rach piece while resuming the 3rd movement from Sonata Pathetique. It's a long time before i can work on my new pieces. Sam I know you are already enjoying the Ballade #1. That's one of my new pieces along with Bach English Suite. I think it's a stretch for me to play the Ballade but my teacher is firm on this... I have to add Chopin to my long list of composers that I did not do justice to... Hope they all forgive me.
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#1900355 - 05/20/12 05:57 PM Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: casinitaly]
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I can't wait to hear how you play Ballade no 1! I especially want to hear how you play the soft delicate sections, because you have such a nice touch. The fast sections take SO much practice to get right, it's almost unbelievable. The presto section is just now, after MONTHS of playing it (I'm talking like FIVE months!), starting to really fall under my fingers easily. I'm at the point where I can play at a very fast tempo while playing every note very softly if I want to. Of course, much of it needs to be very loud, but having the control to play it softly is how I know that I really have it, and I can let the phrases take shape as I play. I'm really looking forward to finishing the piece and recording it for an upcoming recital (either August or the following one).

Keep up the hard work FarmGirl!!
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#1900384 - 05/20/12 06:23 PM Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: casinitaly]
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Originally Posted By: casinitaly
I just realized in the Gymnopedie 1 there is a 4 note chord near the end - I can stretch the octave to get the 2 d notes, but I can't play 2 notes inbetween I'm going to have to give up one of them I think.....:(

If it's where I think it is, the answer is to redistribute the notes between the two hands, so LH and RH each take some notes. If you let me know which measure/chord it is, I can tell you how I divided it.
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#1900415 - 05/20/12 07:33 PM Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: casinitaly]
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I'm looking at the score now, and I'm confused. The only D-D octave I see is the very last chord; if that's the chord you meant, then contrary to what I said, I am taking that entirely with the RH. Did you mean that chord, or some other chord?
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#1900452 - 05/20/12 09:00 PM Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: casinitaly]
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Sam I cannot wait to hear your Chopin. You are so talented. 5 months is lightening fast. Mine will take much longer. When I can start, I will ask your advice, kind of like what to watch out for etc.
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#1900458 - 05/20/12 09:12 PM Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: FarmGirl]
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Originally Posted By: FarmGirl
Sam I cannot wait to hear your Chopin. You are so talented. 5 months is lightening fast. Mine will take much longer. When I can start, I will ask your advice, kind of like what to watch out for etc.


I appreciate the confidence, but you overestimated me. It took 5 months for me to get just the presto section (the coda) under my fingers. I've been chipping away at this piece since a couple months after I started trying to learn piano in 9/2010. It wasn't hard to learn the notes (and it gets easier as I learn more), but to get it up to speed and musical is just SO SO difficult for a beginner to do, so it took a long time. It's still not 100%. I think having a real grand to practice on (which I'll have when I get home) will accelerate my technical and musical development a huge amount, so I'm looking forward to that a lot. I'm going to have to find a new teacher though frown
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#1900539 - 05/21/12 12:34 AM Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: casinitaly]
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Casinitaly, you can do the four-finger chord, just be very careful. I've had a number of I-just-can't-possibly-ever-no way-never play this chord experiences, and each time I was wrong. Slow and easy was the key for me--only a couple of attempts the first few days, then keep trying it every day until the impossible became the possible. But don't hurt your hand.

My AOTW was getting some (sort of) fast and smooth right hand runs on the measure 21 arpeggio in Waltz in A Minor. I could even do it without looking. I'm finding the left hand E, E-B-D much harder, even though it's a "simple" broken chord.
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#1900569 - 05/21/12 02:40 AM Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: casinitaly]
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In reverse order smile

Stubbie - I do have to be caeful because I have had problems with tendonitis and trigger finger (which was almost cured til I had a big job on the computer recently). As the chord is at the end I can hold off for a bit, experiement and seek my teacher's advice on how best to position my hand. For the moment,...it hurts frown so I don't do it!

I've got the killer arpeggio in N21 so that I get it right maybe 7 times out of 10. Do you mean you find the E, EBD that you play at the same time as the arpeggio is hard? In and of itself, I don't find it too bad, it is only when I have to do the arpeggio with it ....I want to be looking in both spots! smile

Sam R - There may be a bit of overestimating of your skills on our part, but there's also a bit of underestimating on yours smile You've been working on a very complicated piece for a 4 months. I've been working on a relatively simple piece (note, relatively!!!) for 3.5 and I'm still not ready to perform.

Piano Student - ys, I'm taling about the last chord, and also the second last chord which is C-C octave with 2 notes in between. I've also found bars 24, 25 & 26 a bit uncomfortable. I think I'm going to have to wait until this flair up of hand pain has settled down before I work on those parts.
Fortunately I know from experience that the source of the problem is the computer, not the piano, but one suffers from the other.

Farm Girl - what is the music from the King's Speech? I have no doubt that your work on Rach has carried over to have a positive effect on your playing in other areas! Isn't it exciting? I can see that my work on the Chopin piece really opened up a whole new dimension of playing.

Sand Tiger - your music group sounds wonderful! Sharing what we're doing here is fun, and encouraging, but nothing like playing with others in person. I agree with you about how wonderful the virtual recitals are - and what is really super is how much attention and encouragement is offered to really new pianists. I've recently had another listen to my first submitals and think.. wow, I really should thank everyone again for sitting through those pieces!

Yesterday I was just goofing around and trying out Fly Me To the Moon (from the same Dan Coats 50 Jazz favourites JimF has) and I was playing with adding in some extra notes in the left hand. In a way it was quite a mess, but in another way I felt like there was at least a sense of what I was hoping to achieve and it was a tiny baby step that amused me.
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#1900895 - 05/21/12 07:17 PM Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: casinitaly]
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Originally Posted By: casinitaly
Piano Student - ys, I'm taling about the last chord, and also the second last chord which is C-C octave with 2 notes in between. I've also found bars 24, 25 & 26 a bit uncomfortable. I think I'm going to have to wait until this flair up of hand pain has settled down before I work on those parts.
Fortunately I know from experience that the source of the problem is the computer, not the piano, but one suffers from the other.

I'm sorry to hear about the hand pain. I hope it goes away soon.

Measure 24, 25, and 26 I divide between the hands. The top note of each four note chord in the RH and the bottom three notes in the LH. I do the same thing at mm. 30, 31, and 36. Then similarly in the second half of the piece in mm. 63, 64, 65, 68, 69, 70, 71 and 75.

However, the four note chords in the last two measures of each half (mm. 38, 39, 77, 78) I take fully in the RH.
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#1900960 - 05/21/12 10:19 PM Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: casinitaly]
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In reverse order smile

Stubbie - I do have to be caeful because I have had problems with tendonitis and trigger finger (which was almost cured til I had a big job on the computer recently). As the chord is at the end I can hold off for a bit, experiement and seek my teacher's advice on how best to position my hand. For the moment,...it hurts frown so I don't do it!

I've got the killer arpeggio in N21 so that I get it right maybe 7 times out of 10. Do you mean you find the E, EBD that you play at the same time as the arpeggio is hard? In and of itself, I don't find it too bad, it is only when I have to do the arpeggio with it ....I want to be looking in both spots! smile

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CAS, absolutely, if it hurts, don't do it!

What I meant about the left hand E, E-B-D is that--for some reason--landing the EBD is not yet smooth for me and I have a noticeable hesitation. I know it's something that will smooth out with practice, but still--irritating.

Today's (tonight's) practice was on the perfunctory side--out all day hiking and saw my first male and female collared lizard. Quite spectacular! The lizards, not my practice. smile
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#1901068 - 05/22/12 03:49 AM Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: Stubbie]
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Originally Posted By: Stubbie
Originally Posted By: casinitaly
In reverse order smile

Stubbie - I do have to be caeful because I have had problems with tendonitis and trigger finger (which was almost cured til I had a big job on the computer recently). As the chord is at the end I can hold off for a bit, experiement and seek my teacher's advice on how best to position my hand. For the moment,...it hurts frown so I don't do it!

I've got the killer arpeggio in N21 so that I get it right maybe 7 times out of 10. Do you mean you find the E, EBD that you play at the same time as the arpeggio is hard? In and of itself, I don't find it too bad, it is only when I have to do the arpeggio with it ....I want to be looking in both spots! smile

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CAS, absolutely, if it hurts, don't do it!

What I meant about the left hand E, E-B-D is that--for some reason--landing the EBD is not yet smooth for me and I have a noticeable hesitation. I know it's something that will smooth out with practice, but still--irritating.

Today's (tonight's) practice was on the perfunctory side--out all day hiking and saw my first male and female collared lizard. Quite spectacular! The lizards, not my practice. smile


Don't worry, I went through months of only being able to play a little bit and lots of discomfort - I'm not going there again! Caution is the word!!!

For the e-b-d- I found that once my right hand could go on its own without me looking , if I could focus on the B and land on it, the rest fell into place.
This is one of the situations where I practiced the left hand with my eyes shut, trying to get the spacial distances set in my mind's eye so to speak.

Lizards, good fun! I like lizards. When I had my dp, it was set up near the balcony doors, and one afternoon I had a little lizard on the balcony. I swear he was listening to me. Over the next several afternoons I ended up with 3 lizards, and it seemed they had come over for the "concert" - it was hilarious. It was very clear that they were listening, by the way they were moving their heads. I wish I'd filmed them.
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#1901916 - 05/23/12 03:16 PM Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: FarmGirl]
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I also had my teacher's annual recital this past Sunday. It was held at a local country club, with maybe one hundred in the audience. There were a couple dozen participants, including five adults. This was my second recital......if you all remember I had a pretty rough crash and burn last year.

I am relieved to say it went a lot better this time around, playing Edward MacDowell's Beauty in the Rosegarden from his Forgotten Fairytales collection. I started out well but almost immediately had a finger slip that landed one-half step off. This was followed (quite smoothly I would say) with a series of about five incorrect notes/chords (all off the same half-step). I knew they were wrong as I played them and was just wracking my brain to recover... whew! Finally got it back on track to finish the first section nicely. The second, hardest section, was actually almost error free, and the third and final section only had a minor slip or slop in one place.

I was disappointed that I'd blown the beginning, the easiest part that I'd had no trouble with at all, because otherwise it might have been a very good performance. I sat next to a friend of my teacher who also teaches piano and she told me she was unfamiliar with the piece and except for my facial expression hadn't know the early part was off. I think she was just being kind, but I got the message. She also reminded me that this is a pretty hard piece (Jane Magrath's book has it at level 7 or 8) for someone who couldn't read a note less than three years ago. And she's right about that, it was a bit of a stretch for me.

The big positive was that I didn't stop, even though it was very painful to play those wrong notes. I was nervous just like last year but it felt like a different kind of nervous....this time I could still think and felt very aware of everything that was happening. The big thing was that I could still hear the music playing in my head. I think that is what got me back on track.

All in all it was a positive experience, and one that I hope I can improve on again next year.


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#1901932 - 05/23/12 03:57 PM Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: casinitaly]
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Jim, I would indeed call that a positive experience.

Being able to recover - and keep playing all the while --- that is (as we all told FarmGirl!!!!) really good control of your nerves and concentration. It means you've studied well, and practiced in an efficient manner.

I had not realized you'd never read music before you started playing piano about 3 years ago!
My hat is off to you again!

I'm glad you walked away from the experience feeling that overall it was a success. If you manage to get in more playing in front of folks over this coming year, you'll be even more comfortable at your next recital.

100 people? Yikes. That's quite a lot.

Will we get to hear your pieces? I hope so!

Well done - ...
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#1901939 - 05/23/12 04:19 PM Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: FarmGirl]
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Wow, go away for a few days and it take two pages of reading to catch up.

FarmGirl - thumb Congrats on the recital. I wish I had the presence of mind to create my own little breathing room like you did. That really shows that you are becoming a musician I think. And I sure know what you mean about being glad it is over....we took off immediately on a two day jaunt to Disney and Universal...nothing like immersing youself in childlike fantasy for a few days to come down off that pre-recital tension. grin

MaryAnne - Can't wait for the report on your get-together. One benefit I forgot to mention...you get to listen to other people making beautiful sounds come out of your piano. For me that was a totally new experience.

DottedNotes - I don't really understand the exam thing, but those are some beautiful pieces you have to look forward to. I hope we'll hear about your progress along the way.

Eglantine - Happy belated Birthday, thumb sorry I missed it.

SandTiger - Ashokan Farewell is one of my favorites and I too have worked on it from a fakebook from time to time. It is a shame you have to fight through an injury while working on this.... I'm curious why a glove would help things?

Cheryl - Good for you taking on Gymnopedie 1, such a beautiful piece. I know you will work your way in carefully to those 4 note chords until at some point we'll be marveling at how easy and relaxed they seem.
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Yesterday I was just goofing around and trying out Fly Me To the Moon (from the same Dan Coats 50 Jazz favourites JimF has) and I was playing with adding in some extra notes in the left hand. In a way it was quite a mess, but in another way I felt like there was at least a sense of what I was hoping to achieve and it was a tiny baby step that amused me.

The thing about those arrangements is how often you hit a chord or series of notes that just sounds soooooooo sweet...it almost pulls you up short as you luxuriate in the rich tones. And, yes, you can almost just feel those extra, extemporaneous notes in-between at times. There is another book with nice easier jazz arrangements that PW's Legal Beagle turned me on to. Here's the amazon link Best Jazz Standards Ever - Hal Leonard for Easy Piano (I can only attest that the arrangements are mostly nice in the Easy Piano version...there is a guitar/vocals/piano version that I don't know about.
Compared to the Coates book these are just a hair easier...with the major difference being a little less movement of the left hand.
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#1901951 - 05/23/12 04:36 PM Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: JimF]
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Originally Posted By: JimF


Cheryl - Good for you taking on Gymnopedie 1, such a beautiful piece. I know you will work your way in carefully to those 4 note chords until at some point we'll be marveling at how easy and relaxed they seem.
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Yesterday I was just goofing around and trying out Fly Me To the Moon (from the same Dan Coats 50 Jazz favourites JimF has) and I was playing with adding in some extra notes in the left hand. In a way it was quite a mess, but in another way I felt like there was at least a sense of what I was hoping to achieve and it was a tiny baby step that amused me.

The thing about those arrangements is how often you hit a chord or series of notes that just sounds soooooooo sweet...it almost pulls you up short as you luxuriate in the rich tones. And, yes, you can almost just feel those extra, extemporaneous notes in-between at times. There is another book with nice easier jazz arrangements that PW's Legal Beagle turned me on to. Here's the amazon link Best Jazz Standards Ever - Hal Leonard for Easy Piano (I can only attest that the arrangements are mostly nice in the Easy Piano version...there is a guitar/vocals/piano version that I don't know about.
Compared to the Coates book these are just a hair easier...with the major difference being a little less movement of the left hand.


Thanks for the link Jim - I checked out the book. (Love the "look inside" feature on Amazon!!)

There are a few songs I'd enjoy having but some are repeats I have in other books.... and I already have so.many.books. lol.

On a different note (pun fully intended) I truly wonder if I've hit a "skills level" wall on my Chopin piece.
I feel that I just can't get it any better at this point.
Technicallly - I can play all the notes (most memorized) I can play the mordents and the trills -but somehow putting it all together just doesn't work.
The pedal work sounds ok when I'm in silent (digital) mode but when I move to the full acoustic it sounds muddy to me.
I'm finding it hard to understand if (at this point in time) I really can get it to be any better.
My teacher is already more than pleased with my progress - and in many ways I'm extremely pleased - but I wonder..is this just a temporary plateau or is it as far as I can go right now?

More food for thought, and the first question of the day when I have my lesson this week.
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#1901976 - 05/23/12 05:28 PM Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: casinitaly]
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So I noticed the subject had turned to popular music and standards, so I thought I jump and share an experience I had in choosing one for my next recital song, the discovery of which, besides being an achievement in itself lead me to two more technical ones this week.

I had already decided on a song for the recital and was at the library looking through an anthology for a song I could do at the Bar next month, when I notice the title of a song I had all but forgotten but which I vaguely remember being wonderful. I thought about taking the book out but let the impulse pass and left it on a library table. Well, the next day, I turned on the TV to the old movie station and they played the song in the opening credits of the movie that was beginning. I watched a little of the movie but couldn't get the song out of my head, so I turned it off and went on youtube and searched for a piano and vocal cover of the song. I found a few of each, mostly from the seventies and eighties. Well, the next day I returned to the library and the book wasn't on the shelf. My husband, the librarian and I searched for almost an hour trying to find it but finally gave up. When I got home, I looked for a free chord chart online but I could only find one site that had printable sheet music for sale. I was just amazed that such a wonderful song was pretty much forgotten and unsung today.

I didn't want to pay three dollars for sheet music so I took the sample which contained only a small portion of the song on the first page and figured out the rest by ear. I was amazed I coud do this because it contained a ton of slash chords, and in the past when I've tried to do this, I'm usually not successful because the progression isn't as clear as when there are mostly root chords. I was able to sing and play basic accompaniment for the song, including the intro which is my favorite piano part of the song, in a few hours.

I'm thrilled. Not only because it led to my discovering that my ear and accompaniment skills were developing but because it fits the theme I wanted to use for the recital much better than my original song did.


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#1901989 - 05/23/12 05:59 PM Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: casinitaly]
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Originally Posted By: casinitaly

is this just a temporary plateau or is it as far as I can go right now?


Isn't a temporary plateau just that - as far as you can go right NOW? I think it is. Give it time, and make sure you play it every so often, and it will mature slowly, like a fine wine smile
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#1902044 - 05/23/12 07:55 PM Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: casinitaly]
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I agree with Sam. Surely if you can play the hard bits on their own, you'll get it to all come together in time.

JimF, your recital experience sounds great! Congratulations!

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#1902169 - 05/24/12 02:14 AM Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: casinitaly]
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Starr Keys, that is a great achievement. Now you have me curious about which song it is!!!
Are you going to tell? smile

Originally Posted By: Sam Rose
Originally Posted By: casinitaly

is this just a temporary plateau or is it as far as I can go right now?


Isn't a temporary plateau just that - as far as you can go right NOW? I think it is. Give it time, and make sure you play it every so often, and it will mature slowly, like a fine wine smile


lol.... of course that IS what a temporary plateau is. I expressed myself poorly.
You and MaryAnn are right of course,...I have to give it time. I've already made more progress than was expected of me by my teacher --- but you know the trouble with being an adult beginner is that we have high expectations for ourselves!
I did think that I'd be able to polish it more if I kept at it, and that just isn't happening. I shouldn't be complaining because I've seen loads of overall progress. I'm just so keen to play this piece well, and I've put so many hours into it, I'm having trouble being patient.

I'll work on it. (hmm, that's ambiguous, isn't it? smile I guess I'll work on BOTH - my patience and the piece!
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#1902179 - 05/24/12 02:48 AM Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: casinitaly]
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Originally Posted By: casinitaly
Starr Keys, that is a great achievement. Now you have me curious about which song it is!!!
Are you going to tell? smile


Thanks, CasinItaly. I'm afraid if I did it would be too much of a temptation for someone who is a quicker study and has a better voice to do the song before I post it in August and then my performance would just bore everyone. Besides, there was so much serendipity involved in my discovering it. If I hadn't turned the tv on just when I did or looked carefully enough at a table of contents...It seems to have had my name one it:)


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#1902183 - 05/24/12 02:58 AM Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: Starr Keys]
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Originally Posted By: casinitaly
Starr Keys, that is a great achievement. Now you have me curious about which song it is!!!
Are you going to tell? smile


Thanks, CasinItaly. I'm afraid if I did it would be too much of a temptation for someone who is a quicker study and has a better voice to do the song before I post it in August and then my performance would just bore everyone. Besides, there was so much serendipity involved in my discovering it. If I hadn't turned the tv on just when I did or looked carefully enough at a table of contents...It seems to have had my name one it:)


Ok, I can understand those feelings smile You'll just have to tell us when you've posted it! Have fun!
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#1902186 - 05/24/12 03:34 AM Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: casinitaly]
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Of course, thanks for your interest. With this kind of luck, maybe it will be the first time I'm closer to #1 than #50 smile

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#1902189 - 05/24/12 03:41 AM Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: Starr Keys]
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Of course, thanks for your interest. With this kind of luck, maybe it will be the first time I'm closer to #1 than #50 smile


That would be great! smile

I think I was n.11 once, but that's the lowest. It's a killer when you're near the end and just dying for someone to listen to you, isn't it?

I've got my eye on my August piece now, and even, fingers crossed (--oops, no, that's a very bad idea lol...) my November piece! smile
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