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#1437064 - 05/15/10 09:04 AM
Re: Prokofiev - Toccata op.11
[Re: Daniel Jun]
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Nice job. Really difficult piece.
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#1437226 - 05/15/10 12:46 PM
Re: Prokofiev - Toccata op.11
[Re: PhilipHotchkiss]
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#1444031 - 05/26/10 01:14 PM
Re: Prokofiev - Toccata op.11
[Re: ChrisKeys]
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Registered: 05/28/01
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Excellent! Perhaps you have heard this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brbOIKAIGZAAll you need to do is correctly anticipate the next placement and then the tempo takes care of itself. Yeah, like I could even do this, LOL.
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#1444339 - 05/26/10 09:29 PM
Re: Prokofiev - Toccata op.11
[Re: David Burton]
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You ain't heard nothin' yet. OK, so VH fills in the last chord...but both are electric. Will listen to the OP's recording in a bit...
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#1444348 - 05/26/10 09:38 PM
Re: Prokofiev - Toccata op.11
[Re: Horowitzian]
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Registered: 09/18/08
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As to the OP...YouTube being what it is, it is difficult to judge dynamics and such. But you played it very well! I enjoyed listening.  One thing: I like to hear this piece with less pedal.
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#1444469 - 05/27/10 01:26 AM
Re: Prokofiev - Toccata op.11
[Re: Horowitzian]
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Listening to the two pianists' versions of this piece, Horowitz and Argerich. Actually You Tube has two performances by Horowitz and they are quite different, one is smooth and effortless, the other - the one suggested in the link - is where Horowitz seems to slacken his pace just a trifle and it gives him slightly more time to create more edge in dynamics to shade and color certain elements (rhythms and melodic lines mostly). He has "sculpted" this piece. Argerich's version accomplishes much the same thing, again at the expense of speed, proving that if one just plays naturally as fast as it can go - and with what repetition one's instrument allows - one has that extra time to paint with the sound, allow the piano's natural decay to work, even if the picture painted resembles a Futurist abstract rather than a nice Constable landscape. The "electricity" Horowitzian recognizes in these performances is really a step above mere technique, in this piece the ability to accurately attack each note and phrase while maximizing velocity. I think that this velocity has a natural point beyond which the whole piece degenerates or flies apart rather than as Horowitz and Argerich have demonstrated, restraining the speed just a little in order to give them time to make the thing seem almost smooth and romantic with some nice colorful edges given by the extra time to include more dynamic range. Sorry that all that was so verbose and by the way, someone like Horowitzian who says she has a Steinway B already has a heck of an advantage tackling the more difficult repertoire. Such pieces are simply not even playable on a piano such as mine.
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#1444471 - 05/27/10 01:31 AM
Re: Prokofiev - Toccata op.11
[Re: David Burton]
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She?  No way, mate! I'm a dude.  And I wish I could play this piece. 
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#1445425 - 05/28/10 12:42 PM
Re: Prokofiev - Toccata op.11
[Re: David Burton]
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No, just kidding on that point.  But I am a dude.
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#1445586 - 05/28/10 05:55 PM
Re: Prokofiev - Toccata op.11
[Re: David Burton]
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Registered: 05/07/10
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Excellent! Perhaps you have heard this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brbOIKAIGZAAll you need to do is correctly anticipate the next placement and then the tempo takes care of itself. Yeah, like I could even do this, LOL. Yes, you´re right...And yes, I know that recording...well, I don´t play piano intensively too long, so wait a couple of years and it will be better, for sure 
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