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#1447233 - 05/31/10 10:58 AM Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis
Teodor Offline
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Today I saw a specialist (third time I go to a doctor for this) and she said I have either CTS or Tendonitis. I am going to get checked out with another specialist tomorrow to narrow it down and finally get a diagnosis.

I have burning sensation and mild dull aches in my right hand and wrist, it gets worse from time to time.

May this serve as a reminder to all of you, fellow beginners. I used to secretly smile when I read about someone having hand pain while playing piano, to me it was the easiest thing to do but now since February I've had this problem with my hand which won't go away. I believe I caused it by attempting to play pieces that are not suitable for beginners, practicing for hours without taking breaks and from denying I have tension in my hands while playing. Going to the gym and lifting weights plus endless hours of FPS gaming... Now I've been re-thinking it all, and I'm careful when I play, I try to relax more, I take more breaks, I practice only an hour per day with a day off once per week. I've taken it up with my teacher and we are working on it. As for my gaming career, I think 17 years of gaming is more than enough and I'm done with it in favor of piano playing.

Starting today I'm dropping piano for a month in an attempt to rest the hand/s, I'm going to undertake some treatment and hopefully when I return, the uncomfortable feeling in my hand/s will be gone.

So take it easy, I know how good it feels to make fast progress, but don't do it at the expense of your hands, you will need them for a couple more decades (hopefully as much as possible) and hopefully you can spend that time playing the piano and enjoying the music :P


Edited by Teodor (05/31/10 11:00 AM)
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#1447235 - 05/31/10 11:02 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
Teodor Offline
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I never thought I'd be one of those people to have such a condition and only at 22 years of age :S
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#1447238 - 05/31/10 11:06 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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I hope you can manage the CTS and tendonitis issues Teodor. I wouldn't wish that stuff on anyone. Take the rest and get better.

Taking breaks and realizing that some things are not worth working on yet are the two biggest rules that people should adhere to. Even on days I play piano a lot, it's always in twenty minute spurts with lots of time in between. I've also learned to shelve pieces that are beyond my technique. If my hands feel tired after working on them for a bit I usually shelve them and work on something else.


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#1447239 - 05/31/10 11:12 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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My condolences. It is really easy to do this and never know it's coming, and then - bingo! There it is.

The good news is that it, very probably, be dealt with. I think you are right that it comes from tenseness often. It can also come from your computer mouse/keyboard being at the wrong height, the over-work, et al. But when I was first addressing this I also saw a physical therapist who had me doing posture and upper body exercises, and I think they helped a lot. I was in my 50's at the time, so I think at 22 you probably have much more rebound capability than I had, and i can still play.

But good luck - and take care. All is not lost - learn with your teacher about the tenseness, and from whatever the physical therapists teach (and I do hope you can get a referrel to a phyiscal therapist, and not just the "take time off from piano" recommendation. PT's can make a huge difference, bless them.)

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#1447241 - 05/31/10 11:18 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: HomeInMyShoes]
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Teodor,
I hope you get it sorted out soon. Taking a month off is probably a good idea. It's not really that long, & you won't forget much. I'm speaking from experience, having just come back from more than a month of not playing - it took about a week to get back to where I'd been.
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#1447246 - 05/31/10 11:24 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: joyoussong]
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Oh, that's tough - but a very good decision on your part!

I had problems in my arm in January and I was FORBIDDEN to play for more than 15 minutes a day! And I had to do relaxation exercises. It was very frustrating, but my teacher said it is very easy to have a small problem turn into a big one.

You are very wise to be taking every precaution now, before the problem gets any worse.

I hope you'll still be around to chat with here in the forums!
Good luck with healing!
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#1447258 - 05/31/10 11:55 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: casinitaly]
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Sorry to hear this Teodor. Once you get a proper diagnosis, do try to find out what exercises or stretches you can do to help yourself.

I had carpal tunnel in my right hand which I put down to compression (using a small mouse when at computer). Stretching, including piano playing, actually helped.

Gaming may have been a big part of the problem, because it involves tiny repetitive movements, and you tend to get engrossed in the game and tense.

good luck in your recovery!
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#1447325 - 05/31/10 01:23 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: ten left thumbs]
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It's very smart to take thought to make the changes that will help you get well, and avoid a problem in the future.

I had played my whole life, and was up in my fifties when I acquired a similar problem. Never thought it would happen to me! But, I was able to get well with medical help and play now with no pain. You have my best wishes for a full recovery.

And yes, I had to take a break from playing for awhile... with a brand-new piano, just sitting there. It killed me!

Remember, you can make progress with your musical education during this time, without playing.
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#1447351 - 05/31/10 01:58 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Jeff Clef]
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I started playing piano about two months ago and got carpal tunnel syndrome for both my hands recently! (Not to mention I've already had cubital tunnel syndrome before starting piano.) I felt tingling and muscular weakness over all of my fingers. I can totally understand how you feel. Actually I feel devastated the first time I experienced this newly developed symptoms after playing piano. I think that is caused by my overpractice and perhaps incorrect posture. I will have my first piano lesson tonight and hope that I will learn correct posture that will not aggravate my symptoms.

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#1447355 - 05/31/10 02:02 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Renchin]
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It's weird that I have no loss of strength in my hands, is it possible to have carpal tunnel/tendonitis and still be as strong as before? I have no tingling sensations. I've been trying to find out what's wrong since March when I first saw a doctor. Now my left hand is in bad shape too, my index finger hurts. Tomorrow is my last day at the piano as I need to tie some loose ends before I take that break, I have to arrange for my lessons with my new teacher who I'm to meet tomorrow. (I have a new teacher just for the summer months, because I'm in another town)


Edited by Teodor (05/31/10 02:02 PM)
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#1447362 - 05/31/10 02:14 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Hi Teodor,
Loss of muscular strength comes after numbness and tingling sensation. Your nerve damage is not as severe as mine. But it is also possible that yours is not carpal tunnel syndrome but tendonitis. Tendonitis does not weaken muscle as does capal tunnel syndrome. I think I'd rather get tendonitis than carpal tunnel syndrome if I can choose smile
Take a rest and do not practice too hard. That is what I am doing now.

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#1447370 - 05/31/10 02:20 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Renchin]
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What's weird is that when I am asleep and just before I wake up completely there is no pain, I can sit on my hand and it won't hurt but after I wake up completely it starts to feel bad.

The doc said I probably have both, the tendonitis caused the carpal tunnel syndrome which is right now a mild case but will get worse if left alone. She said she will prescribe medication only after seeing the results of the tests. I'm to get tested tomorrow with another specialist smile

I'll ask about physical therapy too.


Edited by Teodor (05/31/10 02:21 PM)
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#1447381 - 05/31/10 02:33 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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I had CPS/tendonitis/tennis elbow when I was about 22 years old too. I, and a number of other in the music department also came down with this all at the same time. Stress was definitely a factor given the rigorous demands of learning repetoire within a certain time frame.

A friend of mine actually took the entire year off to heal. I myself had to restrict my repetoire to pieces for the left hand (Scriabin and a few others). In any event, with rest we all recovered. BUT, when I practice sometimes these days (I'm now in my 40's) I still get the same sensations. But, since my career doesn't depend on me performing, the condition goes away pretty quickly if I rest for a day or two.

So, take care, and be very mindful of your posture, relaxation, and breathing in order to lessen your stress on your body while playing.
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#1447398 - 05/31/10 03:18 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: scepticalforumguy]
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Didn't you try to to some kind of one hand push-up with one finger and ended up hurting your hand?

I'm skeptical over practice is the case. At 22, plus the rather short duration of piano practice, being diagnosed with CPS is not something very likely.

I would think the problems were sparked by events outside of piano, andpracticing just exacerbated your symptoms.

Best wishes.


Edited by Rui725 (05/31/10 03:19 PM)

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#1447428 - 05/31/10 03:55 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Rui725]
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Well even so I have to take a break. I did only one of those pushups with only fingers by the way. And I did use to play pc games all day long before piano, so carpal tunnel is possible.


Edited by Teodor (05/31/10 03:58 PM)
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#1447445 - 05/31/10 04:16 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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I get bouts of tenosynovitis in my right wrist - it first flared up when I was in my late teens, and working in an electrical shop (no piano at that time). I had to help lift washing machines up and down the stairs for a couple of weeks, and I think it was this that caused it in the first place.

Now, I think it is mostly aggravated by using the computer mouse too much. It basically makes the tendons in the side of wrist nearest my thumb very weak and tender - to the point where I find it difficult to lift a cup of coffee. Best thing for it is rest - playing piano doesn't seem to make it worse unless I practise way too much.

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#1447687 - 05/31/10 09:43 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Ben Crosland]
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Just reading this thread makes my thumb hurt! Last year, at 39, I took up fingerstyle guitar and played until I got De Quervain Sydrome (like carpal tunnel, but on the thumb side).

I'm paranoid about reaggravating it, as I couldn't even turn a doorknob for several months, and had to give up guitar (and switch to piano). I had a corticosteroid injection, which worked much better than physiotherapy.

Now I keep several ice packs in the freezer, and whenever feel as much as a twinge I ice my wrist and then wrap with a tendor bandage after playing.

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#1447913 - 06/01/10 08:40 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Pianomaly]
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I don't know if this is good or bad news. A neurologist did a test and found no nerve damage or pinched nerves, no carpal tunnel syndrome. So it's probably tendonitis I guess. No real way to confirm it 100% as far as I know.
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#1447927 - 06/01/10 09:35 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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It is good news. For one thing, you have an answer, and that is valuable. So the object of treatment is to reduce the runaway inflammatory process and prevent the formation of scar tissue.

It is good that you have gotten on this quickly, that is a considerable help to your recovery.
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#1448105 - 06/01/10 01:55 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Jeff Clef]
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I had my first symptom of CPS recently.

Definitely from using the mouse. My wrist was often red from the pressure of having it there for hours.

You can get mouse mats that have a support. A bits late for some of us now.
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#1448120 - 06/01/10 02:13 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Originally Posted By: Teodor
I don't know if this is good or bad news. A neurologist did a test and found no nerve damage or pinched nerves, no carpal tunnel syndrome. So it's probably tendonitis I guess. No real way to confirm it 100% as far as I know.


This is good news, I think, Teodor. And if it's tendonitis, a month off should do a world of good. But make sure it's a month OFF, with none of this "oh, I still have a few more loose ends to take care of" or "Just half an hour on this one piece" kind of excuses. smokin

(I've never had bad piano-related injuries, but back in my running days I would develop knee problems that I exacerbated because I was too danged addicted/stubborn to lay off running completely long enough to let it heal. To this day it hurts to walk up and down stairs, and I'll probably have to have a knee replacement years sooner than I would have otherwise.)
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#1448196 - 06/01/10 04:55 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Monica K.]
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Yes, that's good Teodor. If it's in -itis, well, inflammation goes down after a while. Sometimes it can take a good long time, but it's good you have a proper diagnosis.
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#1448212 - 06/01/10 05:25 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: ten left thumbs]
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Sounds like encouraging news. My electromyogram and nerve conduction velocity tests were positive for early carpal tunnel syndrome, which most of us medical transcriptionists get to some degree eventually. I think a good ergonomic setup along with rest is the best medicine.. Take it E-Z for a while. smile

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#1448751 - 06/02/10 12:28 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Elssa]
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I strongly recommend acupuncture before anything drastic and permanent like surgery. It worked for us very well and could work for you. Our story...

My wife doesn't play the piano but after holding babies she developed De Quervain's tenosynovitis.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/de-quervains-tenosynovitis/ds00692

After 9 months of on-and-off pain, it suddenly flared one night and we went to the ER. She had to hold her thumb a particular way to avoid super intense pain. At the ER, they put on a soft bandage cast so she could relax, go home, and sleep.

We then went to an orthopedist who put a fiberglass cast on to let it rest and heal. 2 weeks later she went back to get it off. They checked it, not much improvement, and put on a new cast. During this time, muscles atrophy. The plan was, if nothing improves on its own, then 2 rounds of steroids shots to attempt to reduce the inflammation. After that, if needed, surgery to cut the inflammation so that pressure is reduced. Surgery usually is effective, with a chance of losing feelings on the top of the hand. Prognosis was not good!

Of course, during this time, she could not change diapers or hold babies. We called in my mother to help. It was serious.

We then heard from friends about acupuncture, and a particular practitioner in the area was providing very good results for pains and injury. We rushed to get the cast off and went to see the acupuncturist the next day. After that very first visit, my wife's hand was immediately relieved. It took just 2 more visits to completely cure it. Simply amazing. The treatments included needle pricks at various places, but also massages by hand and by hard massage tools (ouchie). A lot of surface bruising resulted, but the effect was phenomenal.

After that, I went to see the acupuncturist for myself. I was having problems with my left hand. When I played piano my left wrist would hurt when I stretched left. My index finger's last joint was in pain. My thumb was sore and weak (probably developing De Quervain's myself). I only went in once and everything got fixed. Immediately after the treatment I still felt some pains, but the next day, my problems were all gone.

Try acupuncture! You can always get surgery later, but you can never get back to pre-surgery state.

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#1448859 - 06/02/10 03:21 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: gnuboi]
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How many babies did she have? And what on earth did she do with them? Serious question, I work with mothers and babies. New mothers are particularly prone to back-strain, but I've never heard of thumb problems.
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#1448886 - 06/02/10 04:12 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: ten left thumbs]
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I had Carpal Tunnel surgery in my right hand. Before surgery I had a list of can't do's.....

Feel the button on my shirt when I want to button it
Write for long period
Use the mouse on my PC
Hold a cup of tea without changing hands
Hold a toothbrush firmly
Carry a newspaper or book
Ride a bike
Play piano
Sleep through the night
Strangle my wife!!!

Honestly, after years of wear and tear the surgeon said it was the worst case he ever operated on. The op took 18 minutes which he recorded as the longest he had done.

Now I am totally cured.

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#1448941 - 06/02/10 05:45 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: ten left thumbs]
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We have two, one at a time. The youngest is 11 months now. Problem was holding them by hand, on the left side, in a hip carry. This puts a lot of pressure on the wrist and thumb. The most significant contributing incident was probably when the kid was only 2 weeks old and the relaxin was still flowing in mom. She held out her hand to give to the older kid while in the car and over stretched her thumb. That hurt then, and she should have been treated then. But we waited a few months before seeing an orthopedist who prescribed a soft brace with no protection on the thumb. That brace did not seem to offer any protection. Months later, it flared up and we had to go to the ER as I mentioned.

De Quervain's is actually not that uncommon. When we finally found out what it was called, a number of our friends came out and said, oh yea, we had that too. It's also known as mommy hands.

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#1448943 - 06/02/10 05:48 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: swc2004]
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Originally Posted By: swc2004

Play piano
Strangle my wife!!!


smile (in my case the strangling is in the other direction)

Glad you are all better now. My MIL and brother both had back surgery and neither got completely positive results. This is why we are wary of orthopedic surgery. Back surgery is totally different than surgery for RSI/CTS, of course.

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#1449017 - 06/02/10 07:12 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: gnuboi]
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Have you ever injured your wrists in the past?
I have injured my wrists a couple of times.
Once while lifting weights, standing overhead presses, and when I went to let the weight down, I did so in an uncontrolled manner, felt a snap. No swelling, and didn't feel anything till the next day. Off weights for about a month.
Somewhat injured wrists using punching bags, without wrapping wrists.

I injured both my wrists in Iraq 2006. Im an infantry soldier for the US Army. I stepped into a weapons cache hole, and caught myself with my hands. They were wrapped for about 2 weeks. X-rays showed small stress fractures. Went for X-rays in 2009, they are healed, but still there, with small micro raised edge from healing, that rubs against internal tissue. Can be fixed with surgery. File down the bone or something....otherwise, over time, it will smooth itself out.

Also, carpal tunnel/tendonitis issues before all of that. I have well developed arms, but small wrists, which means a smaller "tunnel" of the carpal bones and transverse carpal ligament. I can move alot of weight, but need to wear wrist wraps when lifting.

ANYWAY, so past injuries could be suspect.

I feel wrist pain after practicing for awhile. After a short break, I come right back to it.




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#1449191 - 06/03/10 01:25 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: gnuboi]
Teodor Offline
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Already going through similar therapy, same principle just doesn't use needles but electronic pulses. Surgery is only used as a last resort, my pain is so negligible right now that I've been playing for 5 months ignoring it, but it gets in the way of doing other things (using computers, playing sports that use the hand, working out)... So I want it fixed, also lately my left hand started hurting too out of the blue smile

Originally Posted By: gnuboi
I strongly recommend acupuncture before anything drastic and permanent like surgery. It worked for us very well and could work for you. Our story...

My wife doesn't play the piano but after holding babies she developed De Quervain's tenosynovitis.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/de-quervains-tenosynovitis/ds00692

After 9 months of on-and-off pain, it suddenly flared one night and we went to the ER. She had to hold her thumb a particular way to avoid super intense pain. At the ER, they put on a soft bandage cast so she could relax, go home, and sleep.

We then went to an orthopedist who put a fiberglass cast on to let it rest and heal. 2 weeks later she went back to get it off. They checked it, not much improvement, and put on a new cast. During this time, muscles atrophy. The plan was, if nothing improves on its own, then 2 rounds of steroids shots to attempt to reduce the inflammation. After that, if needed, surgery to cut the inflammation so that pressure is reduced. Surgery usually is effective, with a chance of losing feelings on the top of the hand. Prognosis was not good!

Of course, during this time, she could not change diapers or hold babies. We called in my mother to help. It was serious.

We then heard from friends about acupuncture, and a particular practitioner in the area was providing very good results for pains and injury. We rushed to get the cast off and went to see the acupuncturist the next day. After that very first visit, my wife's hand was immediately relieved. It took just 2 more visits to completely cure it. Simply amazing. The treatments included needle pricks at various places, but also massages by hand and by hard massage tools (ouchie). A lot of surface bruising resulted, but the effect was phenomenal.

After that, I went to see the acupuncturist for myself. I was having problems with my left hand. When I played piano my left wrist would hurt when I stretched left. My index finger's last joint was in pain. My thumb was sore and weak (probably developing De Quervain's myself). I only went in once and everything got fixed. Immediately after the treatment I still felt some pains, but the next day, my problems were all gone.

Try acupuncture! You can always get surgery later, but you can never get back to pre-surgery state.
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#1449207 - 06/03/10 02:09 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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I switched to using the computer mouse to my left hand several years ago. The way most 102 keys PC keyboards are laid out, having the mouse to the right of it makes for very bad posture. Add piano that also generally work the right hand more, the right hand is just over worked compared to the left. Using the mouse with my left hand means my right hand gets a lot more rest time during the day.

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#1449228 - 06/03/10 02:44 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: scepticalforumguy]
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Originally Posted By: scepticalforumguy
I had CPS/tendonitis/tennis elbow when I was about 22 years old too.
If anyone has tennis elbow (either due to playing tennis or piano) that is affecting their piano playing (or tennis playing), I would recommend this device called the Theraband FlexBar and an exercise on it called the Tyler Twist. The FlexBar should be less than $20 and is very effective for tennis elbow when used with the Tyler Twist exercise. I've tried everything in the book and this is the only thing that works effectively for me. They did a scientific medical study on the exercise and it was very successful.

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#1449249 - 06/03/10 03:40 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: 4evr88]
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I switched to using the computer mouse to my left hand several years ago. The way most 102 keys PC keyboards are laid out, having the mouse to the right of it makes for very bad posture. Add piano that also generally work the right hand more, the right hand is just over worked compared to the left. Using the mouse with my left hand means my right hand gets a lot more rest time during the day.


Don't keep the mouse on the right when using left hand, learn to use it on the left side!
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#1449290 - 06/03/10 07:22 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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#1449454 - 06/03/10 11:52 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Volusiano]
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If anyone has tennis elbow (either due to playing tennis or piano) that is affecting their piano playing (or tennis playing), I would recommend this device called the Theraband FlexBar and an exercise on it called the Tyler Twist.


Thanks for posting this. My physio had me do that exercise in one of my appointments while my arm was recovering - although the crack was up by the elbow, the trauma to all the tendons, ligaments, etc was huge. I'd forgotten what the flex bar was called, & it was very effective.
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#1450603 - 06/05/10 02:41 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: joyoussong]
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I am such AN IDIOT! My doc told me it would likely take 6 months for the hand to recover (the first time I saw him in march). The pain first occurred on the 26th of February, now it's June, it's been merely 3 full months! What am I thinking... I thought it's been 6 months already.

Ok, so my plan is to take this month off (I am typing a bit to keep the hand in good shape and I use my younger brother as a personal assistant in the office so I don't have to touch a mouse) and then the next month (july) I will do some physio therapy and resume piano lessons gradually. Even if I had tendonitis, I read physio is good for recovery.

That's good, there is still hope. smile


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#1450703 - 06/05/10 09:46 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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I had problems with tendonitis when I was around 34 years old. I was practicing many hours per day (plus many hours on the computer), went to a number of specialists, but I continued to have the problem.

For other reasons I switched back to trombone.

Four years ago (age 52), I took up piano again. I'm now practicing 4+ hours per day and I don't have any problems with tendonitis, except an occasional slight soreness.

What's different? I don't know. One guess is that it's because I now do weight lifting. I have the feeling that keeping everything in shape helps. Sometimes bigger muscles can mean more room for tendons. But who knows?
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#1460330 - 06/21/10 02:20 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Still fighting this. I haven't played for 20 days, I dream about it every night! Really I do. Every night there is a piano in my dream and I play for a few seconds, some nights I find myself looking for a piano in my dreams. Weird eh? laugh

Seems I might have been misdiagnosed, my hand did not get much better and the pills and gels and whatever the doc prescribed does not help my condition. I got referred to one of the top specialists in town and he agreed to see me tomorrow night. Hopefully he will tell me what's wrong. I hope to be able to play again in September at the very latest.

My left hand is failing too, I tried to use the mouse with it but it hurts...


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#1460902 - 06/22/10 12:29 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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I had a problem with chronic pain and stiffness of my hand a couple years ago, finally had x-rays, which revealed I had a hairline fracture of my scaphoid (base of thumb) bone. I was put into a soft cast for several months, couldn't play at all, but now it's fine. Have you had x-rays by an orthopedist yet?

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#1460914 - 06/22/10 12:49 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Elssa]
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No, no x-rays but only because the doc believes it is the tendons and muscles that are sore from overuse. He says I am an enigma for him, and that my hands just need rest.

So your entire hand got stiff and had pain because of a single finger problem?
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#1460954 - 06/22/10 01:49 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Teodor, I remember that you changed teachers, and I think, that your teacher is aware of technique and maybe how you have been hurting yourself. Has this teacher given any input?

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#1460956 - 06/22/10 01:51 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: keystring]
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Can't give me anything right now since I stopped lessons until my hands are good again, I haven't played for 22 days but now it looks like I have to stop using the PC as well for a month. Will be a boring month indeed, all I got left is singing maybe and some reading, if I can manage to put a book comfortably enough so that I don't have to hold it in my hands.
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#1460994 - 06/22/10 02:52 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Listening while following the score by eye (they go too fast for me sometimes, but it's still a revelation). Musicain bios, music history, theory... you can still do things that will help your progress once you can start playing again.

I hope you don't lose faith in your recovery potential--- you will get past this; your young body and vitality and the help you're getting are all on your side. Physio will definitely help.

My doc told me, a few years ago, "Getting old is not for wimps. You not only have to be tough--- you have to be very, very adaptable."

The nerve! But he was right, though. And it's advice that can help anyone.
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#1461817 - 06/23/10 05:31 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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No, no x-rays but only because the doc believes it is the tendons and muscles that are sore from overuse. He says I am an enigma for him, and that my hands just need rest.

So your entire hand got stiff and had pain because of a single finger problem?

Yes, I was surprised about that, but maybe it caused some surrounding inflammation. It was worse in the thumb where the bone was broken, though. That's still a little stiff, but no pain now. Hope you're feeling better soon.


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#1461948 - 06/23/10 08:11 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Elssa]
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This is all very interesting because I had hand pain when learning Solfigietto and now again that I am memorizing it....there is something about that piece that kills my hand and wrist. I'm sure it has something to do with tension.
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#1461977 - 06/23/10 08:52 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Can't give me anything right now since I stopped lessons until my hands are good again, I haven't played for 22 days but now it looks like I have to stop using the PC as well for a month. Will be a boring month indeed, all I got left is singing maybe and some reading, if I can manage to put a book comfortably enough so that I don't have to hold it in my hands.

I understand. But when this new teacher saw you, did she advise you on how you were playing and how it was affecting you physically?

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#1464023 - 06/27/10 07:22 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: keystring]
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Has anyone had good results with ice or moist heat?
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#1464070 - 06/27/10 09:53 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: tranquillo]
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"Has anyone had good results with ice or moist heat?"

If it is tendonitis, yes. Ice is quite effective at reducing the local inflammation, which reduces both the discomfort and the formation of scar tissue. I haven't tried heat treatment for the wrist and hand, but one doc said that it works. I have tried it for back pain, with pretty good results (within limits). Alternating ice with heat at different times of day was helpful.

These things are not likely to be harmful, so I don't mind suggesting them. But, there are other injuries with similar symptoms, for which ice or heat may be of no benefit... and even for cases where they do help, other treatments may be needed as well. A medical diagnosis is really important if the discomfort does not clear up within a reasonable time (a few weeks).

And, if you keep doing whatever caused the injury in the first place, don't expect results to follow. But sometimes a very subtle change in posture, seat height, movement, release of tension, etc., can make a huge difference to those tiny structures in the hand and wrist.
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#1470262 - 07/08/10 01:36 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Jeff Clef]
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No change since the 22nd of June. Rest doesn't seem to be helping much, 2 courses of anti-inflamatories later, it is still the same as soon as I try to use my hands for typing or using the mouse or even sorting through mail...

Maybe I need to try physical therapy now at this point? I haven't been moving my hands much for the past 2 months because I was told to rest.
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#1470266 - 07/08/10 01:41 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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How discouraging for you!
You should certainly be talking to your dr about the lack of improvement.
I really hope you can find the right course of action and heal properly very soon.
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#1470269 - 07/08/10 01:46 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: casinitaly]
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I saw many doctors non can tell me why my hands are like that. All them say, "you are young and should recover fast", I just need rest according to them. But since I started serious rest, my left hand also hurts, there is a burning sensation below the forearm near the elbow *but not the elbow* when I try to type for 5 mins or if I lift things for more than a few seconds also there is some irritating pain on the side my index finger... really weird, never before have I felt like that. Only thing similar was when I sprained my index finger on the right hand years ago, but it took only 2-3 days to recover.

I feel it's getting worse since I started resting more than usual. When I was playing piano it felt the same as now, no difference, now the only difference is that I am depressed because I am told not to live my normal life till the hands heal...


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#1470270 - 07/08/10 01:47 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: casinitaly]
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Maybe you want to consider getting a clavichord. You can play light as a feather if you wish (though that's not the best technique). Failing that, a non-weighted keyboard. But it does sound like a technique problem to me. When you can post a video.
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#1470271 - 07/08/10 01:51 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: keyboardklutz]
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If it was caused by piano shouldn't it get better now? I haven't played for over a month now.

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd7-dgO4wQI
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#1470273 - 07/08/10 01:54 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: casinitaly]
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<<Maybe I need to try physical therapy now at this point? I haven't been moving my hands much for the past 2 months because I was told to rest.>>

It is likely that you will need physiotherapy. Particulary if you have been resting your hands and avoiding using them. I believe physio can be very helpful in carpal/cubital tunnel nerve entrapment problems.

I've been suffering from cubital tunnel (elbow) ulna nerve entrapment problems (4th & 5th fingers) that started at the beginning of the year. Stretching and now strengthening exercises are definately helping me with my problem.

You need to raise this issue with your medic in the first instance. However, my understanding is that you could in parallel seek an appointment for with a physiotherapist to be assessed (depending on how Health Care is organised in your part of the world).
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#1470276 - 07/08/10 02:00 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: EJR]
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Well there is no nerve damage or entrapment, I was tested for that. I think I get get an appointment for physio from our family doctor (GP) and see if that helps.

My daily activities have been boring lately: get ouf of bed and wash up, dress, eat, go back to bed or the couch, turn on the laptop, press play, watch movies all day, read a book in the evening, go to sleep, repeat. laugh


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#1470286 - 07/08/10 02:34 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Teodor,

I've been in your situation. I know the frustration, depression and fear that you have.

I'm not going to try to give specific medical advice, because I'm not qualified. I will give two general suggestions though, and I hope they help.

1. Don't give up on trying to find the right person to heal you. He or she is out there. It might be a piano teacher with a lot of experience helping arm injuries. It might be a physical therapist. It might be a deep tissue massage therapist. If someone isn't helping, move on to the next person.

2. When I was injured, I tried to keep my hands still for many weeks, to let them "rest". This was a big mistake. I'm not saying to start playing piano tomorrow, and don't do anything that aggravates your symptoms. But for the body to heal naturally, it has to be used naturally, and if you treat your arms like fragile objects, they will become fragile objects. It sounds like your daily routine doesn't involve a lot of natural movement; this can be detrimental. Get out of the house: get some exercise: use your arms freely and naturally to the best of your ability, and that will go a long way towards your healing. Which will happen, really.

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#1470291 - 07/08/10 02:50 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: beet31425]
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Maybe you have a pinched nerve in the neck? That happened to me after shoveling heavy snow once. It affected the whole arm, with numbness and pain. Took a long time to heal (about 2 months), but it did eventually completely heal. B6 vitamin supplement is supposed to be very good for healing nerves. Take care.


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#1470570 - 07/08/10 03:15 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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If it was caused by piano shouldn't it get better now? I haven't played for over a month now.

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd7-dgO4wQI
In this video your wrists are quite stiff. Can you see how the RH little finger hovers tensely all the time? I hate to say so but your playing mechanism from finger tip to elbow is very rigid.
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#1470576 - 07/08/10 03:25 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: keyboardklutz]
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The RH little finger also curls backward from time to time, another indication of tension in the hand and fingers not moving independently.

There is a name for tense elevated fingers that have unwanted movements like that when playing the piano: "flying fingers".

Is it the cause of your problem? I don't know. But it could either be causing it or adding to it.


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#1470913 - 07/09/10 01:12 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: rocket88]
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It's weird because I did not feel tension before my hand started hurting, I do feel tensed in my right now after the incident but normally I can't tell when there is tension, maybe it's too subtle for me to feel...

Although... a colleague of my teacher saw me play one time (it was on my first month) and she said I have lots of tension in my arms when playing but also said it will just take time to relax the hands and play without tension. Did not offer any kind of exercise to work on to improve this.

This is exactly why I want to play again in September at the very latest because then I can take a few lessons from one of the best teachers in town, I already met her and I like her as a teacher and she had things to point out about my technique and tension but then I decided to take a break... So if I can play again soon I will take lessons from her and I'll ask to work on these things so that I can be on the right track when I return to my previous teacher in October.


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#1470942 - 07/09/10 03:21 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: keyboardklutz]
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In this video your wrists are quite stiff. Can you see how the RH little finger hovers tensely all the time? I hate to say so but your playing mechanism from finger tip to elbow is very rigid.


I agree with KeyboardKlutz. Judging by the video, you are not well, physically, before the piano. Playing your little finger seems to be a terrible ordeal.

It seems to me that you are sitting too high. I suspect that if you are seated substantially lower, with your elbows below the keyboard and actually pulling down a bit on the hands, you are going to feel a tremendous relief.

I also ask Elissa"s question:

Originally Posted By: Elssa
Maybe you have a pinched nerve in the neck?

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#1470953 - 07/09/10 05:02 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: landorrano]
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Problem is I can't adjust seat height there are 2 types of chairs and that's that, none of the rooms I have access to piano in have adjustable benches and that's not going to change.


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#1470991 - 07/09/10 08:00 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: landorrano]
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Landorrano,

<< It seems to me that you are sitting too high. I suspect that if you are seated substantially lower, with your elbows below the keyboard and actually pulling down a bit on the hands, you are going to feel a tremendous relief.>.

A very interesting suggestion. I use the piano bench that came with my clavinova, and it puts my arms in a similar position as Teodor shows in his video. When using a Midi controller on the dinning room table, I can play for hours (I'd thought this was because its semi-weighted), but now I wonder whether its due to elbows being relatively lower?

I'm 5' 10" and now I wonder: Are piano benches "too high"?
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#1471053 - 07/09/10 10:25 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: EJR]
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Hmmm... what I see in the vid is that you have your right hand flexed upward, which is a very dangerous position for tendonitis. That suggests to me that you may be sitting too low, not too high... or maybe, too close.

You could take a cushion to the practice room, or a volume of the encyclopedia (maybe an atlas--- more sitting room).

Whichever; you'll have to experiment. The idea is to let the wrist be straight, not flexed either upward or downward. You can see how the kink at the wrist binds the tendons and makes them rub harder, which irritates them.

I also see a lot of playing with just the fingers, which is another situation which irritates and tires the hand. It is easy enough to say, 'Spread the effort out; let the bigger muscles in the arm, the shoulder, and the back and trunk divide the work and help the fingers," but you really need a good teacher to show you this.
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#1471190 - 07/09/10 01:21 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Jeff Clef]
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It seems to me that you are sitting too high.



Originally Posted By: Jeff Clef
That suggests to me that you may be sitting too low, not too high


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#1471248 - 07/09/10 02:40 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Jeff Clef]
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...but you really need a good teacher to show you this.


Yikes! If I said that here, this is what would happen to me...
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#1471259 - 07/09/10 03:03 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: rocket88]
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If anything I think I am sitting too high most of the time, I ALWAYS check to see if my wrists are straight before starting to play and if my elbows are on level with the keyboard. But during playing it seems I forget about this and I move the wrists up and down, I keep the shoulders in weird positions and so on.

I am seeing a physical therapist on Monday to see if she can help with this. I hope I can start playing again soon! I will consult a good teacher before I resume.

Actually the teacher I contacted for lessons during summer said she had pain in her hands when she was younger and then she found a good teacher, a professor in her conservatory who helped her fix her technique and she has been playing fine since then with no aches, I bet she has a lot of useful knowledge on the subject.


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#1471267 - 07/09/10 03:15 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Teodor:

Here are a few resources regarding pianist' injuries:

http://pianomap.com/injuries/

http://musiced.about.com/od/beginnersguide/a/injuries.htm
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#1472681 - 07/12/10 02:26 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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I am seeing a physio therapist today, I hope she can help because I need to be back to normal soon if I want to keep my job.

The pain I experienced is now mostly burning, it does get a bit painful when I use my hands for a long time (takes only a couple of mins to flare up) and then it goes almost all away. I took so many anti inflamatories, like 6 different brands already, lots of ointments one of which left a nasty rash on my right hand...

So medicine does not help, maybe physiotherapy will.


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#1472682 - 07/12/10 02:41 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Good luck with the physotherapist Teodor. This pain sounds really intense for someone who's been staying so quiet for so long.

Let us know what the dr says!
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#1472836 - 07/12/10 10:52 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: casinitaly]
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Good luck Teodor. It was all about physical therapy for me, but my case was not as intense as yours apparently is. Please keep in touch here, and also let us know about the summer piano teacher who has experience with this too. We're plugging for you - piano meant too much to you to not give this a big try.

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#1472883 - 07/12/10 11:46 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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The doctor says it's not too serious, says I might have pinched nerves somewhere or something but she prescribed some really good things that deal with that kind of pain, also she set me up for 2 weeks of procedures every day, involving massages, electro and magnetic therapy as well as other things. She says a woman pianist comes to her 2 times per year with aches in her hands and she helps her and then she can go for months without pain smile

Doc says I'll be back to normal in a month.


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#1472942 - 07/12/10 01:14 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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This sounds like great news Teodor! Let's hope that you're now on the right track to healing properly!
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#1479534 - 07/22/10 11:15 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: casinitaly]
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Any improvements so far? I've been following your plight as I am in a similar but much less severe situation.

I think I will try physio as well.
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#1479538 - 07/22/10 11:33 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: schlittk]
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Warm, moist heat can provide a temporizing measure. One of the best sources of this I have found is a rice bag. Here are instructions on how to construct one from a dear friend of mine (original writing style retained):

Materials:
• 1/4 yd fleece
• A couple pounds of short grain white rice, or your grain of choice

Directions:
1. You gitcherself some soft fabric, tightish weave. Knit or fleece is good; the thicker fabric theoretically holds the warmth longer, but I haven't scientifically checked the theory.
2. Cut two pieces fabric into your desired shape. I cut mine about 6x15. R has a C-shaped one she puts around her neck.
3. Sew right sides together, leaving an opening to insert grain.
4. Later addition: Stitch a second time, very close to the first stitching. Helps prevent seam poppage and rice leakage.
5. Turn right side out.
6. You gitcher grain of choice. You do not cook it. Repeat, DO NOT cook it! *snicker*
7. I think short grain rice works well, because it is scent free, and the rounded grains move well, less poky. Flax seed has a wonderful feel, but smells like linseed oil when heated. Potpourri is an interesting addition for foot warmers, but I wouldn't want that perfume next to my face. I have a buckwheat neck bag at home which works very well, but it smells like pancakes when warmed. Millet might be an option, too.
8. When you fill the bag, you want it floppy, but not so thin that it loses heat quickly. The contents of the 6x15 bag I used last night are about an inch deep when the bag is leveled out on a flat surface, and it is just right.
9. Sew opening closed with a tight stitch. Machine stitching works well, because it is faster and less likely to leak grains. Stitch twice.
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#1479541 - 07/22/10 11:36 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: tranquillo]
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that rice bag sounds so nice. mine are much plainer.. simply rice poured into a sock, then the sock is tied at the top. I find the rice bags wear out after a while and you have to start with fresh rice.
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#1479624 - 07/23/10 03:19 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: schlittk]
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Any improvements so far? I've been following your plight as I am in a similar but much less severe situation.

I think I will try physio as well.


I can't say there is any. Maybe a tiny bit but typing at the computer and using a mouse produces the same aches still... I am done with the 7 days of physio that were supposed to fix me, I am doing 3 more days but I don't know if it will help.

I was in a less severe situation too, when it began in february but I did not rest then and as a result it got worse. It's not crippling pain, it's just annoying and the reason I don't use the PC much any more is because I don't want to make it worse, same with piano. But this waiting is killing me, every day I try to do something as usual for a couple of minutes and I can't without discomfort...


Thanks for the rice bag tip, might give it a try.


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#1479724 - 07/23/10 09:01 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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I too am currently having some problems with CTS, my thumb and two first fingers on my left hand have pins and needles and my wrist and hand sometimes get a burning sensation.

I found an exercise on the WEB where by you stretch out your arms in front of you, palms down then bend your hands upwards to 90degrees, hold for 5 seconds then relax, then make a fist and bend the hands down for a count of 5 then relax, do this ten times then let the arms down to your sides and shake your hands to help relax them, I've only done this a few times but the tingling is starting to go after only a few days.

I can't promise it will work but it seems to be helping me, I dreaded the thought of having to give up piano and hopefully if this works I wont have too.

Give it a try, I hope it helps.

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#1479738 - 07/23/10 09:21 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: MF-Blues]
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My experience with physio was that the practitioner gave me exercises and stretches to do every day, with a return appointment every few weeks or a month apart. This is the kind of problem that builds up over time, and which takes time to correct. I think that an expectation that a physiotherapist can make it go away in a week may be unrealistic.

Mine was very good, and she wanted to know whether the at-home work was helping, having no effect, or if the problem was still getting worse. That way, she could adjust the therapy to fit the real conditions. The orthopedist also followed-up after a period of time.

I had to change my everyday practices so that the benefit would last.
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#1479825 - 07/23/10 11:32 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Jeff Clef]
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Jeff, sadly this is how they work here. Nothing more I can do. I also saw 2 ortopedist, one who is regarded as the best in town. Both said they don't know what exactly is wrong, said it's some sort of RSI and said they can't do anything and told me to rest. They both said "You are young and you should be able to recover in time."


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#1479867 - 07/23/10 12:39 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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That is an honest diagnosis, at least. When we get in real trouble is when the doc decides he knows what's going on, but he doesn't really. I appreciate your feeling on hearing it, though... I've been through something similar. Mine got so bad I couldn't bear the pressure of pushing a glass door open (like any store or bank has), before I landed in the specialist's office.

Interestingly, in that case, I felt pain in my hand and wrist but the actual injury was a partly-torn tendon just below the elbow. It was caused by a fall from my bike. The doc had to prove it to me, because I didn't believe it. And--- what a surprise--- treating the hand and wrist (for a whole year) had been ineffective. Classic example of 'referred pain.' He knew right away, though--- they see it in the office every day.

I'm sorry this is having such an impact on your life and your playing. All I can think of is, look at the vids of your hands... maybe, compare them with some of the great players'. What I remember seeing is that your wrists were bent back, and the fingers were cocked up higher than the body of the hand. It may seem subtle, but that is something you could work on. It's a position that 100% for sure stresses the tendons.

Sometimes re-learning these small details is the key to letting your body heal, and preventing new injuries.
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#1479914 - 07/23/10 01:46 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Jeff Clef]
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I assume I have no partially teared tendons, the physioterapist examined my hands and each tendon by touching them all along and applying some pressure, there was no pain, there is pain when I type this but not when I feed myself or wash my hair... weird really weird...
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#1480315 - 07/24/10 01:46 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: swc2004]
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Originally Posted By: swc2004

I had Carpal Tunnel surgery in my right hand. Before surgery I had a list of can't do's.....

Feel the button on my shirt when I want to button it
Write for long period
Use the mouse on my PC
Hold a cup of tea without changing hands
Hold a toothbrush firmly
Carry a newspaper or book
Ride a bike
Play piano
Sleep through the night
Strangle my wife!!!

Honestly, after years of wear and tear the surgeon said it was the worst case he ever operated on. The op took 18 minutes which he recorded as the longest he had done.

Now I am totally cured.



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#1480335 - 07/24/10 02:52 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: swc2004]
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I'm trying the exercises that I found, they give some relief but I don't expect a quick cure, I have been suffering it for a long time but didn't know what it was, it's only now that the tingling in my thumb and fingers is getting worse that I decided to investigate and found out I have CTS symptoms.

I will keep trying the exercises and I'll try and remember to come back on here and let everyone know if it's working or not.

At the moment mines more of an annoyance than a problem but if left unchecked I think it will get worse.

I don't really want to end up having an op, I've had too many op's already for other stuff it's about time I cured something naturally.

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#1480352 - 07/24/10 03:59 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: swc2004]
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Originally Posted By: swc2004
Originally Posted By: swc2004

I had Carpal Tunnel surgery in my right hand. Before surgery I had a list of can't do's.....

Feel the button on my shirt when I want to button it
Write for long period
Use the mouse on my PC
Hold a cup of tea without changing hands
Hold a toothbrush firmly
Carry a newspaper or book
Ride a bike
Play piano
Sleep through the night
Strangle my wife!!!

Honestly, after years of wear and tear the surgeon said it was the worst case he ever operated on. The op took 18 minutes which he recorded as the longest he had done.

Now I am totally cured.



Do yourself a favour.
See your doctor, insist on the surgery and get on with it!




Surgery on both hands? That would suck, I can't do it unless my doctors are sure it is necessary and they can't even pin point the exact problem so how can I trust them to operate on me? Also I doubt I can afford the operation unless it's 100$ for both hands, that's about my limit per month.


Edited by Teodor (07/24/10 04:05 AM)
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#1480353 - 07/24/10 04:10 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Teodor

The exercise I mentioned in my earlier post, have you tried anything like it and am I just wasting my time or have you only consulted the doctor.

Sorry if I missed anything like this in one of your earlier posts, I haven't read every single one of them as yet.

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#1480358 - 07/24/10 04:43 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: MF-Blues]
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#1480546 - 07/24/10 01:35 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: casinitaly]
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I have been away for these past few weeks because of the same thing! I've been working on "Moonlight Sonata" and went to stretch for a ninth and my thumb has been giving me fits. It's slowly improving but yes, being on the computer, does aggrevate it. I've gone back to about 15 minutes and am trying to vary the time on computer, since I have to use it at work, but not necessarily at home. Hang tough! i know I am!
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#1480578 - 07/24/10 02:03 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: piano4]
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Well I am hanging on but after six months it's getting unbearable (not the pain, the pain is just annoying). I am thinking of ignoring everyone's opinion and starting to work out again, I never had any hand pain when I was hitting the gym 3 times a week, I didn't get as much as a cold or a sore throat. At the time when I got "tendonitis" I was not working out hard as before, so I can rule it out as a reason. As a result of resting for 6 months I have lost all my muscle mass that I gained while working out, my hands look tiny again especially the biceps, I've lost a lot there... Also the pain was just in my fingers, now it's in the wrists and I can feel it starting to get to my shoulders from time to time so I guess treatment is not working, though according to the doctors I should be better by now. I bet this is all because of the severe inactivity. I went from having an extremely active life to nothing.


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#1480612 - 07/24/10 02:57 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: MF-Blues]
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I had carpal tunnel syndrome a while ago and I did get rid of it by doing this:

Originally Posted By: MF-Blues

I found an exercise on the WEB where by you stretch out your arms in front of you, palms down then bend your hands upwards to 90degrees, hold for 5 seconds then relax, ....


I couldn't manage to 90 degrees, but the idea is the same. I did do it a lot, and it only got better very slowly.

if there's inflammation in the nerve/tendon, then it may take a very long time for it to get better.
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#1481230 - 07/25/10 03:32 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: ten left thumbs]
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Just a quick update.

I know I've only been doing the exercises for a few days but already my fingers feel much better, they a still a little numb, but the tingling has gone, well it has today, it usually returns over night for some reason but today my fingers feel much better.

It must be the exercises cus I'm not doing anything else any different.

I'll keep doing them and keep you posted.

Teodor, you should give them a go, you've nothing to lose after all. It certainly seems to be doing something for me, I hope it's not just a fluke.

Cheers

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#1481242 - 07/25/10 03:57 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: MF-Blues]
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I am so late to this, but will add a quick two cents, since I have Carpal Tunnel and gave up piano and other things for 15 years.

I wore the braces. At first all the time, and then reduced to nightly wearing.

At first they seemed combersome and weird.

Then they became my friends which were hard to give up.

Syptoms and medical diagnosis - 20 yrs ago. Moderately Severe CTS and nerve damage (ulner?) below elbow.

What the braces taught me was to keep my wrists straight. No curling under my head at night. No hands on my hips. No riding bicycles and leaning into the wrists. No bent wrists while driving. No leaning on the desk while at the computer.

Everything had to be learned to keep my wrists straight.

I am now playing again (3 yrs plus). My bench is high so that the wrists can be straighter in a down position to the keyboard.

I am always aware how my wrists are positioned while doing ANYTHING

Just some thoughts that might help you on your awareness and recovery.

CTS affects the 1 2 3 fingers more than the 45. They go numb. The numbness then arises up the forearm.

Best wishes for your recovery or learning to live with this, if this is your problem.

BTW, it took YEARS, not days, and not months.
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#1481563 - 07/26/10 03:37 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: lilylady]
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I have no numbness and no nerve damage, no loss of control, no loss of strength, no serious pain, medically proven it's not CTS (paid for tests), so I hoped I can recover faster since there is no nerve damage to heal. The frustration comes from thinking I cannot use the computer anymore if I want to recover but if it will take more than a few months then I will lose my job, and soon my life because I cannot afford to study in college if I do not work. So now I've been extremely nervous and angry with everything, I've become like a grumpy old person and I hate it.

I have wrist support that I purchased online, it claimed to help with tendonitis but I have not tried it, I thought the pressure on my wrists might actually be hurting them.

Martin, I will try yours but additionally since PC aggravates it I will need to buy an ergonomic keyboard and a gel mousepad to at least lessen the aggravation.


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#1481603 - 07/26/10 06:05 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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It is important to play the piano with the less tension as possible in the hands and the forearms. And also look for if you have bad positions when you do other activities.
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#1481649 - 07/26/10 08:57 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Nogueira]
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I have bad position at the pc, what can I do if the chair can't be adjusted? I am too low if I put books I can't rest my back on the chair frown


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#1481653 - 07/26/10 09:12 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Pillows, books, anything - and then check how your feet rest on the floor because they are part of what support you in addition to the chair. They will affect what happens in your hips, and then your back, shoulders, head. There's a lot of info out there if you google posture + sitting.

I got a new desk two weeks ago. It has a keyboard at the right height for the arms. However it also has a second desk as a wing meant for writing on. I had my laptop on it since it's the one that is connected to the Net (main computer has some kind of virus). It was a bad height and I have the beginning of carpal. My right hand became partly numb and tight on the little finger side and stayed that way for a week. frown

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#1485231 - 07/31/10 01:04 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: keystring]
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20 days later (since the start of the physio therapy) it's still the same. Going to see more doctors next week and spend more money on something they can't fix or even determine what's wrong...

I played piano today for the first time in 2 months, there was almost no joy since I knew my hands would hurt after I practice...


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#1485333 - 07/31/10 04:38 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Teodor, I feel for you -- it's particularly hard having your body fail you when you're still young, and should be enjoying your peak of physical health. I started having mysterious body dysfunctions when I was in my early 20's, and it was very frustrating and isolating.

Now I'm pushing fifty, my friends all bond over the strange but inevitable process of physical decline, but back when I was younger, I felt like no-one had the slightest idea what I was going through. I felt like my friends thought I was just being lazy or not trying hard enough or something. So I tended to push myself past my limits, and be in pain all the time. It sucked.

Is there a short enough amount of time you can spend at the piano such that it doesn't give you any pain?
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#1485411 - 07/31/10 06:48 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: tangleweeds]
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Just another update.

I've been doing the exercises I mentioned for around a week now, I do them once a day. The pins and needles in my three fingers has gone, there is still numbness in all three but the third finger is much better than the others, the swelling sensation I was getting in my wrist has gone although there are still signs of tension but no pain.

I can't say this is going to cure me but it does seem to give relief, especially the pins and needles they were getting really annoying, I think a lot of the problem is the strength of the wrist, so perhaps that's why this exercise seems to help.

Anyway, I'm gonna keep doing the exercises and hope they just keep it at bay, at least that way I can still play without suffering any pain, I'm glad to say I think I caught it early which has helped prevent it getting any worse, well so far that is.

Teodor, I hope you manage to get sorted soon.

Cheers

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#1487916 - 08/04/10 10:12 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: MF-Blues]
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I tried doing those exercises but they just aggravate my hands more.
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#1487919 - 08/04/10 10:14 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Teodor, this stinks! I'm so sorry you aren't seeing any improvement. I really hope you get some good results from seeing the doctors next week. Let us know.
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#1487978 - 08/04/10 11:52 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Hi Teodor,
The problem might not be your hands/wrists. Your shoulders or neck could be tight even if you might not notice it. Sadly, I had a similar problem years ago and went back and forth to Dr.'s and physical therapy. Nothing helped and in fact the PT made it worse because my neck and shoulder muscles were so tight. Now I get myofascial release work done. Its a type of therapeutic massage. It was like a miracle the first time I went. I had no idea how tight my muscles where. It was painful at times but OMG! I felt like a new person afterward.
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#1488028 - 08/04/10 12:58 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Kymber]
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I will consider this for next time I get my paycheck, the place where I did PT had all kinds of massages, I can ask for that and see if it helps.
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#1488121 - 08/04/10 03:45 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Hi Teodor, IANAD but it sounds very odd that a combination of icing, rest, light physio therapy and massage is not helping you a young person after several weeks. I have had hand joint injuries that take months to heal, a year was the longest, because it's so difficult to rest the hands since you use them for everything. It sounds like you are already avoiding doing things which you notice makes things worse, such as typing, piano, and so on?

I don't want to send you off on a path of what some may consider is fake or quackery, but I have to ask - how is your diet? People swear by different things and supplements, fish oil, glucosamine and so on, but I don't know if there is any research to support any of this. I myself swear by cyder vinegar and honey, but it's anecdotal. The question is how's your diet?

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#1488447 - 08/05/10 01:37 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Lots of home cooked food (a lot of meat, mostly chicken but not like the one you get from fast food, chicken meat in soup is what I meant but also often in other dishes but not grilled, made in the oven or boiled), tons of sweets, some fruits, some veggies. I was taking food supplements prescribed my my physio therapist for the past 20 days which didn't help.

I now put some gel on my hands that has all kinds of herbs and it temporarily softens the symptoms even during activity but does not cure the problem smile


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#1488590 - 08/05/10 10:17 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Have your doctors considered the possibility of conditions that may be more systemic in nature but just happen to be causing symptoms only in your hands and wrists right now? If none of what should be working is taking care of the problem maybe there is something else wrong that needs to be taken care of before the tendonitis can improve. Just something to keep in mind if you continue to see no improvement.
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#1488720 - 08/05/10 01:30 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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It's possible, could be a pinched nerve somewhere in the back, who knows... Just in case I will have a complete blood panel in a few weeks if things don't improve. It might reveal an underlying condition that's causing the tendinitis like you said.
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#1488858 - 08/05/10 05:23 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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No improvement at all, Teodor? I'm so sorry--- I would have thought the rest and treatment might have helped at least a little. I wonder what they're looking for with the blood panel? Whatever it is, it's clearly time for the docs to look a little further, and that has to be good for you.
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#1488864 - 08/05/10 05:29 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Jeff Clef]
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Maybe acupuncture would help? Just an idea. Take care.

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#1489529 - 08/06/10 01:42 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Elssa]
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Teodor

I'm sorry to hear the exercise didn't help, it goes to show we're all different, my fingers are still a little numb but otherwise I'm not having any problems anymore, I do hope you get it sorted out soon you shouldn't be suffering like this at your age.

Keep your chin up and good luck with your recovery.

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#1509296 - 09/05/10 04:38 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: MF-Blues]
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Still not healed and lost all desire to study piano frown


Edited by Teodor (09/05/10 04:38 AM)
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#1509352 - 09/05/10 09:49 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Does it hurt when you scratch yourself? Or when you push things? If not, you can carry on playing.
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#1509357 - 09/05/10 09:57 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Thanks for letting us know, Teodor--- sorry the news isn't better, but I was wondering. I'll keep sending a good thought your way.

You've named the big problem with injuries, for athletes and artists: by the time we can get back in the game, we've lost so much of our momentum. But by this time, I've had it and lost it and gotten it back so many times, I just see it all as part of the game in the first place.

The musician in you may have gone dormant to wait for favorable conditions to return, but I would bet anything it's still in there. It will come out at thte right time.
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#1509371 - 09/05/10 10:57 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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I completely agree to Jeff's thoughtful reply. Don't give up hope, and do enjoy music in other ways meanwhile. Go to a concert, take a music history class, take some singing lessons and join a choir, or learn how to play percussion like drums. Or look into conducting lessons, it's great fun, even if it maybe is not the first thing you thought of doing. I really think that participating in some kind of group music activity would be a good thing for you. It is lots of fun, inspiring, and would distract you from the pain and worries and also give you a lot of useful experience for the day you are able to return to piano.

Wish you all the best, Teodor!
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#1509547 - 09/05/10 04:37 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Yes I agree with Jeff Clef. I play tennis and had reached a good momentum this summer, but I'm now out, injured (forearm), and it affects my piano slightly too. But I know what I have to do to heal, recover, restart, get back, and so on as I've done it so many times before.

Basia has some good suggestions. Perhaps mentally you can 'switch off' the piano thoughts for, say, 6 months but stay with the music in other ways. Then you have set a goal to come back in 6 months time. That's what I do with the tennis, I've switched off the tennis for September now, but am enjoying the US Open.

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#1509623 - 09/05/10 06:42 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Originally Posted By: Teodor
Still not healed


This doesn't mean it will not heal... You say it hasn't happened yet, but this does not mean it will not happen.


Originally Posted By: Teodor
and lost all desire to study piano frown


Don't lose your passion. If you cannot play right now maybe you can go to concerts, or also do some computer music. Some composers in the composers' forum do computer music and some of the music they post is truly beautiful.
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#1509671 - 09/05/10 08:11 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Teodor,

Do you mind describing your symptoms again, and in detail?
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#1509864 - 09/06/10 03:50 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: chihuahua]
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Thank you for all the kind words! About concerts and other things... I just don't like being a spectator, I like doing things actively. Also there is nothing else in music I want to do other then piano.

No swelling, no redness. The pain is not major, it's not something you'd need pain killers for, it's not even real pain, more like being tired all the time and some light burning sensation as if I need to scratch my hand and something is making it itchy from inside... No aches, no problems at night, once I fall asleep it all goes away, if I wake at night my hands feel as if there is nothing wrong with them.

Can't describe them good enough, every day some different part of my hands hurts when I use them. Last two days it's been the knuckles on the middle and ring finger on the right hand, left hand doesn't bother me at all these two days. (well now that I typed the whole thing below, the top of my wrist feels slightly tired it's a weird sensation I never had before)

Normally, after some clicking with the mouse or playing piano my hands feel very tired and I feel a burning sensation that starts on a small area and then if I keep using my hands spreads around fingers, palm, sometimes the wrist. Sometimes it starts at the wrist, sometimes it starts at the fingers, most of the time it's the index finger on the right hand because I use it for clicking with the mouse, sometimes it doesn't hurt.

Rest helps only till I start using my hands again. Holding a book and after a few minutes my hands get random aches (fingers, palm, wrist, random every time).

I'd say I see improvement now that it's been a few months but I can no longer rest because it's driving me nuts. Instead I will do everything as normal, just with more breaks in between stuff. I started playing some computer games again, the first 30 mins are alright, after that I don't feel much like playing since it begins to slightly hurt and it's annoying.

Every time I think about sitting at the piano I associate it with pain now and I bet it will be hard to shake that off even after I have recovered.


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#1509875 - 09/06/10 05:15 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Your musical life is dead - Long live your musical life! smile

Teodor, please do take the opportunity to try new music related activities. Firstly, most musical activities will be beneficial to your piano playing when you return. If you for example improve your sense of rhythm, that will be great for piano, or if you learn some composing or music hstory that will also benifit your playing. Secondly, some activities may seem uninteresting because you have not tried them. Be open minded and you might be surprised. I strongly believe that other music making experiences can be fun and that they are good for your mental hapiness while away from piano.

In any way, don't give up hope, there will be more piano playing days coming up!
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#1509894 - 09/06/10 06:44 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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May I paraphrase myself? - there's nothing wrong with you it's your technique. If you read back you'll find I'm not the only one who is saying this.
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#1509903 - 09/06/10 07:08 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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I am not playing now and it's not healed, sorry but it has nothing to do with playing piano. I have not played since MAY 30th|!!!

I'd be quite happy if the problem was that I could not play piano now. I hate to do anything by using my hands now because it irritates my condition.


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#1509929 - 09/06/10 08:51 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Didn't you say 'it's not something you'd need pain killers for, it's not even real pain'?
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#1509988 - 09/06/10 10:36 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: keyboardklutz]
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well it gets very real if I keep pushing through it, at first it's just annoying
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#1510108 - 09/06/10 01:19 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Keyboardklutz, you often give excellent advice. In this case, however, don't you think it's not really appropiate to give medical advice through the forum? I mean, what if you are wrong, and Teo's doctors' are right?
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#1510141 - 09/06/10 02:26 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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I think if your technique were appropriate it would just stay annoying. As soon as you attack the keyboard it's going to do damage, stroke it gently! Basia, I would never countenance someone playing through pain. Up to that point is fine.
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#1510158 - 09/06/10 03:08 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Thanks but I'd rather wait till the irritation and mild aches are gone from everyday activities before I return to piano. I will of course follow your advice and work on technique with a better teacher once I can play again. I hope that by Christmas I'll be fine. I see improvement, it's just not very noticeable day to day but compared to two months ago I am much better.


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#1510211 - 09/06/10 04:34 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Thanks but I'd rather wait till the irritation and mild aches are gone from everyday activities before I return to piano. I will of course follow your advice and work on technique with a better teacher once I can play again. I hope that by Christmas I'll be fine. I see improvement, it's just not very noticeable day to day but compared to two months ago I am much better.


That's the way. Make it a goal, by Xmas, or maybe 1st January you start playing again.

But, work on a path with your doctor(s) and physio-therapists that get you there, and once there keeps you playing perhaps also with the advice of a teacher so that your posture and technique is right and you don't take on too much too soon of too difficult pieces.

No guarantees, and the dates might be wrong, but that's what I'd do.

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#1510249 - 09/06/10 05:26 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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I don't know, maybe it is not what you are looking for or not even good advice, but I was thinking that in the meantime you could play on a "light-touch" keyboard. I had one before buying my DP. The keys are so light it really doesn't require much effort to play. But I am not a doctor, so I am not sure it would be good for you. Besides, maybe it is not good that you get used to the light touch of keyboards.
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#1510396 - 09/06/10 08:45 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Originally Posted By: Teodor
Thank you for all the kind words! About concerts and other things... I just don't like being a spectator, I like doing things actively. Also there is nothing else in music I want to do other then piano.

No swelling, no redness. The pain is not major, it's not something you'd need pain killers for, it's not even real pain, more like being tired all the time and some light burning sensation as if I need to scratch my hand and something is making it itchy from inside... No aches, no problems at night, once I fall asleep it all goes away, if I wake at night my hands feel as if there is nothing wrong with them.

Can't describe them good enough, every day some different part of my hands hurts when I use them. Last two days it's been the knuckles on the middle and ring finger on the right hand, left hand doesn't bother me at all these two days. (well now that I typed the whole thing below, the top of my wrist feels slightly tired it's a weird sensation I never had before)

Normally, after some clicking with the mouse or playing piano my hands feel very tired and I feel a burning sensation that starts on a small area and then if I keep using my hands spreads around fingers, palm, sometimes the wrist. Sometimes it starts at the wrist, sometimes it starts at the fingers, most of the time it's the index finger on the right hand because I use it for clicking with the mouse, sometimes it doesn't hurt.

Rest helps only till I start using my hands again. Holding a book and after a few minutes my hands get random aches (fingers, palm, wrist, random every time).

I'd say I see improvement now that it's been a few months but I can no longer rest because it's driving me nuts. Instead I will do everything as normal, just with more breaks in between stuff. I started playing some computer games again, the first 30 mins are alright, after that I don't feel much like playing since it begins to slightly hurt and it's annoying.

Every time I think about sitting at the piano I associate it with pain now and I bet it will be hard to shake that off even after I have recovered.


Hi Teodor,

Do yourself a favor - go see a NEUROLOGIST.

You are describing some form of parasthesia/nerve root irritation that might indicate a lesion in the cervical spine region.

You might need an MRI of the cervical spine region. This is not a hand/upper limb problem per se.

Good luck!
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#1510555 - 09/07/10 01:30 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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May be this is you:
http://mpatkin.org/ergonomics/rsi/niosh-neck-arm-pain.htm

Also get yourself a copy of You must relax by Edmond Jacobson. There'll be loads of cheap copies for sale at http://www.abebooks.com
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#1510574 - 09/07/10 02:40 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: chihuahua]
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Already saw one and he did tests with the nerves on my hands and around the neck and said everything is fine. Also MRI costs as much as my monthly income.

Originally Posted By: chihuahua
Originally Posted By: Teodor
Thank you for all the kind words! About concerts and other things... I just don't like being a spectator, I like doing things actively. Also there is nothing else in music I want to do other then piano.

No swelling, no redness. The pain is not major, it's not something you'd need pain killers for, it's not even real pain, more like being tired all the time and some light burning sensation as if I need to scratch my hand and something is making it itchy from inside... No aches, no problems at night, once I fall asleep it all goes away, if I wake at night my hands feel as if there is nothing wrong with them.

Can't describe them good enough, every day some different part of my hands hurts when I use them. Last two days it's been the knuckles on the middle and ring finger on the right hand, left hand doesn't bother me at all these two days. (well now that I typed the whole thing below, the top of my wrist feels slightly tired it's a weird sensation I never had before)

Normally, after some clicking with the mouse or playing piano my hands feel very tired and I feel a burning sensation that starts on a small area and then if I keep using my hands spreads around fingers, palm, sometimes the wrist. Sometimes it starts at the wrist, sometimes it starts at the fingers, most of the time it's the index finger on the right hand because I use it for clicking with the mouse, sometimes it doesn't hurt.

Rest helps only till I start using my hands again. Holding a book and after a few minutes my hands get random aches (fingers, palm, wrist, random every time).

I'd say I see improvement now that it's been a few months but I can no longer rest because it's driving me nuts. Instead I will do everything as normal, just with more breaks in between stuff. I started playing some computer games again, the first 30 mins are alright, after that I don't feel much like playing since it begins to slightly hurt and it's annoying.

Every time I think about sitting at the piano I associate it with pain now and I bet it will be hard to shake that off even after I have recovered.


Hi Teodor,

Do yourself a favor - go see a NEUROLOGIST.

You are describing some form of parasthesia/nerve root irritation that might indicate a lesion in the cervical spine region.

You might need an MRI of the cervical spine region. This is not a hand/upper limb problem per se.

Good luck!
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#1510589 - 09/07/10 03:53 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Have you tried practicing and slowly pushing your limit on pain? It could simply just be the lack of usage of the hands causing them to be very sensitive. The sensation can be easily amplified, especially when worrying about aggravating it. It has been quite a while since you stopped practicing, but it's definitely worthy a try to slowly ease your back into it. Look up on Youtube, handcare for musicians. I do stretches and warm-ups before tacking any repertoire, I hope this may be of help to you. If there's a will, there's way.

I once hurt my knee playing basketball in my last year of middle school. That didn't stop me from trying out for the high school team. I loved the sport and played even with soreness. Not recommending you do that, but personally, if I was in your shoes, I'd still practice, pain or no pain.

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#1510606 - 09/07/10 06:07 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Rui725]
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Stretches hurt a bit. I do some light weight lifting now for a month and my hands have improved slightly. I also use the PC longer now than before. Used to be 5 mins , now it's 1 hour.


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#1511767 - 09/08/10 08:58 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Originally Posted By: Teodor
Already saw one and he did tests with the nerves on my hands and around the neck and said everything is fine. Also MRI costs as much as my monthly income.


Nerve conduction tests would be normal unless neuropathy sets in i.e. your nerves are beginning to degenerate (damaged). MRI is costly, but it will detect the problem PRIOR to the undesired and sometimes irreversible neuropathy.

As mentioned before, your symptoms could simply be due to nerve root irritation at the cervical level.

For your information.

Wishing you all the best!


Edited by chihuahua (09/08/10 08:59 PM)
Edit Reason: forgotten to write "you" in the last sentence.
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#1512614 - 09/10/10 01:49 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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MRI is a win-win anyway since it will probably tell me what's wrong with the hands and where the pain comes from since they can do a whole body scan right? I'll know the reason finally. I'll wait till Christmas and do it then if I am not better by then. I have to pay my tuition fees right now so it's not possible to pay for MRI.


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#1518291 - 09/19/10 05:38 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: keyboardklutz]
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I think if your technique were appropriate it would just stay annoying. As soon as you attack the keyboard it's going to do damage, stroke it gently! Basia, I would never countenance someone playing through pain. Up to that point is fine.


Following your logic about bad technique causing pain, this guy should be in a world of pain by now, maybe crippled:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPtC20jFEAQ&feature=sub

:P
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#1518302 - 09/19/10 07:19 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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well teodor.. i am back to check on you. you seem a little better. I sense a tenseness that may respond well to stretching. are you hunched in your chairs? is your diet good with enough calcium? i think you need to figure this out for yourself.

if i press down, then i stretch up. you may have a slight back injury that is affecting your playing. hours of practice and video gaming suggests overuse contributed to your injury.

yoga, tai chi, a stretching video.. you tube has quite a few stretching exercises for carpal tunnel syndrome, as in this one,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUyMNyrOHJQ

i've had issues for years now. i splint my wrists in the winter while sleeping, and stretch when at rest.

...lots of fruits, vegetables and protein with little candy smile

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#1518305 - 09/19/10 07:36 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: apple*]
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Originally Posted By: apple*
you tube has quite a few stretching exercises for carpal tunnel syndrome, as in this one,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUyMNyrOHJQ


Thanks Apple!

I had not seen these before. I looked and tried a couple. I could feel the stretch. Hope they help. I stopped playing for years because of diagnosed severe carpal tunnel.
BTW, for anyone using the splints, do not use for an extended period of time as Dr said that could be detrimental. Instead, train yourself to keep your wrists straight when you sleep (not curled under your pillow smile ) and to drive and sit relaxed with straight wrists.

I also play with a raised bench to prevent flare ups. I can now practice for a couple of hours each day, so there is hope!
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#1518330 - 09/19/10 08:50 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Originally Posted By: keyboardklutz
I think if your technique were appropriate it would just stay annoying. As soon as you attack the keyboard it's going to do damage, stroke it gently! Basia, I would never countenance someone playing through pain. Up to that point is fine.


Following your logic about bad technique causing pain, this guy should be in a world of pain by now, maybe crippled:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPtC20jFEAQ&feature=sub

:P


It's not the best idea to use another's seemingly "bad" technique and use it for your own defense. (Though despite kylelandry's not-perfect technique, it is obviously working for him because he's a very talented pianist).

What might work for someone else does not mean it will work for you. Being able to accept others suggestions is sign of improvement and if a comment about your possibly faulty technique makes you defensive, then not sure how anyone here can help you.


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#1518400 - 09/19/10 11:36 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Rui725]
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Well that's just it, no one can help me, not even doctors smile




I have not played all summer long and the summer is now over. That's a whole season off of piano and if that was the cause of my pain then I should have been feeling much better now. Not saying my technique doesn't need improving, just that it's unlikely the reason for this suffering. Also I had not gamed for months, I stopped gaming in September 2009, I started piano in December 2009 and studied till May 2010 without using the computer for anything other than watching movies and listening to lots of piano music, Now I have to go back to work and school and I am not healed and I am sure you'll understand why I'm so cranky.

Come to think of it, I never had pain problems before starting piano... I guess it could be the reason.

I have planned great things for my next 3-4 years and if this problem persists it will be hell for me, it will delay me immensely. I am at an age when I have to start building a name and a life for myself and it's kind of annoying when you are not fully capable of doing things like every other person out there without pain. Although I got to admit that this will be a huge lesson for me and anything I achieve now will feel so much better knowing I did it in spite of my problem. I just hope I will be able to take notes in class without too much pain in my hands.


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#1518424 - 09/19/10 12:38 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Sorry to hear you're not better yet, Teodor. Hang in there.

You did mention MRI, which might give you some answers after Christmas. So don't give up just yet!
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#1518425 - 09/19/10 12:43 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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Don't be so quick to quit. Try pushing through the pain, if it doesn't kill you, it'll make you better. Of course this is just saying and only you can judge your own condition. Not having pain before the piano is because nothing you did before is as taxing on the hands. Taxing is a bad word, more like, rigorous or perhaps, demanding. It's only been a short time since you started so you're still adjusting to the extra load that's placed on your hands. In all, wish you the best, whether it's with piano or anything. Hope your hands recover soon.


Edited by Rui725 (09/19/10 12:44 PM)

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#1519325 - 09/20/10 06:50 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Teodor]
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As a 20something, I struggle with wrist pains as well. (We're of the generation where we're ALWAYS on one keyboard or another, right?)

Some pointers to help alleviate tendonitis/carpal tunnel:

- Shake out your hands periodically while playing
- Ensure you take efforts to relax when you play
- Use the gravity of your hand to make the note sound, rather than pressing the keys
- Use a lower chair so that your hands are slightly elevated above your elbows -- I have found this to be helpful
- Soak your hands/wrists in cold water (as cold as you can stand it with ice cubes) for one minute, then switch to hot water (as hot as you can stand it) for one minute. Alternate about 10-15 times, always ending on the cold. Do this once or twice a day.
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#1519537 - 09/21/10 03:05 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: sarahsays]
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Originally Posted By: sarahsays

- Shake out your hands periodically while playing


And while using comuter keyboards and mouses!
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#1519648 - 09/21/10 08:30 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Rui725]
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Originally Posted By: Rui725
Don't be so quick to quit. Try pushing through the pain, if it doesn't kill you, it'll make you better.


Yeah, you can become an Iron Man pianist.

Seriously, Rui, what you write is ridiculous. One should never, for no reason, play with pain.

If you experience pain you are doing something wrong. That is the long and the short of it.

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#1519724 - 09/21/10 11:29 AM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: landorrano]
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Originally Posted By: landorrano
Originally Posted By: Rui725
Don't be so quick to quit. Try pushing through the pain, if it doesn't kill you, it'll make you better.


Yeah, you can become an Iron Man pianist.

Seriously, Rui, what you write is ridiculous. One should never, for no reason, play with pain.

If you experience pain you are doing something wrong. That is the long and the short of it.


The pain can easily be exaggerated by the mind, it doesn't hurt to try to play a bit through the pain. If it's excruciatingly painful to play a scale, then you have a serious problem. Slowly easing back into it is still better than quitting cold turkey don't you think?


Edited by Rui725 (09/21/10 11:30 AM)

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#1519754 - 09/21/10 12:11 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Rui725]
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Originally Posted By: Rui725
Originally Posted By: landorrano
Originally Posted By: Rui725
Don't be so quick to quit. Try pushing through the pain, if it doesn't kill you, it'll make you better.


Yeah, you can become an Iron Man pianist.

Seriously, Rui, what you write is ridiculous. One should never, for no reason, play with pain.

If you experience pain you are doing something wrong. That is the long and the short of it.


The pain can easily be exaggerated by the mind, it doesn't hurt to try to play a bit through the pain. If it's excruciatingly painful to play a scale, then you have a serious problem. Slowly easing back into it is still better than quitting cold turkey don't you think?


I think it should be up to the doctor. They are the once having experience enough to distinguish between what might hurt you, and what might help. There are conditions that get better if you move and exercise the arm, leg or other acing body part, as a kind of physiotherapy (or what its called). But I would not risk damaging my hands further by atempting to decide myself, without medical advice, about which pain I can or cannot play through.
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#1519756 - 09/21/10 12:13 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: Rui725]
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Originally Posted By: Rui725
Originally Posted By: landorrano
Originally Posted By: Rui725
Don't be so quick to quit. Try pushing through the pain, if it doesn't kill you, it'll make you better.


Yeah, you can become an Iron Man pianist.

Seriously, Rui, what you write is ridiculous. One should never, for no reason, play with pain.

If you experience pain you are doing something wrong. That is the long and the short of it.


The pain can easily be exaggerated by the mind, it doesn't hurt to try to play a bit through the pain. If it's excruciatingly painful to play a scale, then you have a serious problem. Slowly easing back into it is still better than quitting cold turkey don't you think?


Isn't there lots of repertoire that isn't physically demanding and less painful? A great example is The Op. 28 No. 7 that I just started. smile

I agree with Rui. It's better to do *something* than nothing at all. It seems that "waiting it out" has had no effect.
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#1519808 - 09/21/10 01:35 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: CebuKid]
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I don't mean to say that Teo should not play.

But if when he plays he has painful sensations than there is surely something wrong with the way that he is playing.

That goes for you too, Cebu, and Rui. If you are experiencing pain than you need to examine your approach.

That is a simple and fundamental truth.

Play with pain ? I think you all don't realize what you are saying. You are confounding playing music with American Gladiator or woth boxing or something.

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#1519843 - 09/21/10 02:15 PM Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome/Tendonitis [Re: landorrano]
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Originally Posted By: landorrano
I don't mean to say that Teo should not play.

But if when he plays he has painful sensations than there is surely something wrong with the way that he is playing.

That goes for you too, Cebu, and Rui. If you are experiencing pain than you need to examine your approach.

That is a simple and fundamental truth.

Play with pain ? I think you all don't realize what you are saying. You are confounding playing music with American Gladiator or woth boxing or something.


landorrano, I've seen Teo's playing and in my very amateur opinion, I saw no issues with his technique. Ironically, his technique is a lot better than mine. In year one in my return to piano, i had extreme tension and a very poor wrist position (which i'm still fighting to this day)..and thanks to some in the forum who've corrected me. smile

That said, I'm very thankful to never had experienced pain from piano - despite poor technique. Teo mentioned that his repetitive injury may have come from the computer, and his injury may not be piano-related.
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