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#1624432 - 02/20/11 02:40 PM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
TADutchman Offline
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Registered: 03/26/10
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Here it is: incredibly rich timbres with arguably perfect touch, check it out! shocked shocked shocked 3hearts


KAWAI EX - THE WINNER'S CHOICE R1.0

Dual Voice: Concert Grand 2/Mellow Grand 2, volume 4 + Concert Grand, volume 6

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +4, high +4

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal (open lid), mellow 1 (half open lid), mellow 2 (closed lid)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 5
2 - 5 Touch: heavy
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 3, depth 6
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#1624948 - 02/21/11 06:20 AM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
vabejas Offline
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Originally Posted By: TADutchman



KAWAI EX - THE WINNER'S CHOICE R1.0
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It's an impressive piano TAD, especially in the lower register, vey full and complex, my only personal quibble is in playing single notes in the discant, where I miss a round tone, it's too DP for my taste, surely because of the layer choice! wink
I need to give it a few more spins though.
Thanks!
I'll PM you my piano creation a bit later, let me know what you think.


Edited by vabejas (02/21/11 08:01 AM)
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#1624952 - 02/21/11 06:37 AM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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Allright mate, let me guess, you picked the Mellow Grand 2 to start with... wink First aid: just lower the high EQ with a few dB to get a rounder discant.

We're getting closer to the summit now, let's better start wearing oxygen masks and A-brand sunglasses! cool
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#1624976 - 02/21/11 08:24 AM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Allright mate, let me guess, you picked the Mellow Grand 2 to start with... wink. First aid: just lower the high EQ with a few dB to get a rounder discant.
...

Eh...wrong guess! wink I'm not to keen on MG2 just yet, I've based my patch on MG1, my favourite basic piano.

So alright, here it is, a personal creation of all previous experiences, "hiss-anger", "pedal problems", heavenly sounds and pure 9-foot joy.

Let me proudly present you the:

HAMBURG-D CONCERTGEBOUW GRAND R1.0 laugh laugh

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 7 + Concert Grand, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +3, high +3

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 7
2 - 5 Touch: heavy
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 3, depth 3

Looking forward to your feedback.

I haven't checked if these settings are close to one of your previous piano patches TAD, I've just used my funny ears on this one!
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#1624990 - 02/21/11 08:49 AM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: vabejas]
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That's not a PM. wink

Interesting stuff, also from an anger management point of view. And obviously I'm not the only one that can come up with sexy names. grin

Seriously, with these particular layered voices it's somewhere between the Close Miked Concert Grand (dry, heavy touch) and the Concert Hall Coloured Grand (reverberant, light touch) with other settings similar to recent and updated patches like the Steinway Grand Devotion, so should be good.

I'll have a listen tonight and I'm also curious about Pini's opinion.
By the way, have you played the highest note, a loud C7 yet? whistle
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#1625261 - 02/21/11 03:07 PM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: vabejas]
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Indeed it sounds very good, NICE!! Doesn't happen to sing quite as much as the Steinway Grand Devotion though (a direct comparison is almost inevitable given the name; thanks, now I remember again why I selected a layered guitar voice instead of a piano voice), but still quite an achievement, bravo! thumb

Just like the Steinway, it lacks a bit of brilliance with the heavy touch settings (it happens, albeit personal), so I also transformed it into a more brilliant normal touch version by only changing the voicing, leaving as much intact as possible:


HAMBURG-D CONCERTGEBOUW GRAND R1.0 - NORMAL TOUCH EDITION

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 7 + Concert Grand, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +3, high +3

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow1
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 7
2 - 5 Touch: normal
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 3, depth 3
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#1625371 - 02/21/11 05:31 PM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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The above made me think about the next step that is missing:

First Pinipon and then also Vabejas (in record-time) managed to become
Kawai CA93/CA63 custom presets reviewer
Come on mucci, you can do it too, you're almost there! The remaining action is to review your top 8 favourite dual voice presets here. smile

But what's next? How can you enter the next level and become regarded as a
Kawai CA93/CA63 dual voice mode co-developer
I would propose that, after becoming a custom presets reviewer, you would need to at least develop two new and original sounding high-quality dual voice presets for every section of the presets list provided by ripe_md. I will personally review the presets and take into account any professional opinions of qualified presets reviewers.

Sounds quite reasonable, doesn't it? wink Especially, compared to the number of dual voice presets that already have been developed. Privileges of a 'certified' co-developer can be discussed as soon as it becomes relevant, i.e. as soon as the first one qualifies...
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#1625374 - 02/21/11 05:33 PM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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Hi TAD,
As you know, since the beginning I wasn't a big fan of the Steinway GD patches, but now my opinion is different and I have to say shocked wow : this R3.0 is a really big improvement - good "wooden" resonance, even I'm playing on my CA63 without soundboard, something like percussive part of real hammer's is noticeable (I don't know what it is, maybe is generate by the overall timbre/resonance of this patch, but whatever it is, I like it wink ), you carefully modified the Voicing&Tone control for each touch curve in order to get the same timbre for the all 3 touch editions; the playability is also good for the 3 editions. Personally I prefer the Normal Edition.

Even though unfortunately I'm not a jazz player grin , I've tried The Way It Is patch and I like it: it sounds very good for jazzy moments... (I prefer the half open lid version)

What I like very much is to play patches with lid control: I play some minutes with closed lid, then I change to the next versions (half open and open): the switch transitions makes me feel very great because it causes a "virtual" moment of "realism" wink

Regarding the CFIIIS, as any grand piano patch, I need more "test drive" to give you my feedback.

In any case, thumb once again

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#1625422 - 02/21/11 06:18 PM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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Originally Posted By: TADutchman

I'll have a listen tonight and I'm also curious about Pini's opinion.


Hi TAD and Vabejas, I believe your latest patches are great but let me try and I give you my humble feedback soon.

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#1625435 - 02/21/11 06:34 PM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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Originally Posted By: TADutchman

develop two new and original sounding high-quality dual voice presets for every section of the presets list provided by ripe_md.


very good idea and quite big challange...

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#1625740 - 02/22/11 05:36 AM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: Pinipon]
TADutchman Offline
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Registered: 03/26/10
Posts: 760
Loc: Apeldoorn, The Netherlands
Originally Posted By: Pinipon
Originally Posted By: TADutchman

develop two new and original sounding high-quality dual voice presets for every section of the presets list provided by ripe_md.


very good idea and quite big challange...

Thanks for your positive feedback, so this means that you have accepted the challenge? cool (no stress, as there's no time limit)

If you happen to need some ideas/directions for new and original sounds, just let me know, there's still plenty of ground to cover. Other CA93/CA63 owners may have some special requests too! smile
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#1626135 - 02/22/11 05:19 PM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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Let's come down the mountain again, remove that oxygen mask and take off those A-brand sunglasses for some good old character upright sound! Do you want to obtain an even more authentic, warm & deep upright tone? Just switch to the second layering option and half close the lid. whistle cool


SINGER-SONGWRITER PIANO R1.0

Dual Voice: Pop Piano 2, volume 5 + Concert Grand/Concert Grand 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +4, high +3

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal (open lid), mellow1 (half open lid), mellow2 (closed lid)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 5
2 - 5 Touch: normal
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Room 2

Effect: none
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#1626189 - 02/22/11 06:51 PM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
Pinipon Offline
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Registered: 02/21/10
Posts: 68
Loc: Lisbon, Portugal
Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Originally Posted By: Pinipon
Originally Posted By: TADutchman

develop two new and original sounding high-quality dual voice presets for every section of the presets list provided by ripe_md.


very good idea and quite big challange...

Thanks for your positive feedback, so this means that you have accepted the challenge? cool (no stress, as there's no time limit)

If you happen to need some ideas/directions for new and original sounds, just let me know, there's still plenty of ground to cover. Other CA93/CA63 owners may have some special requests too! smile


I can't promise to create presets for every section, but at least for piano, e.piano and organ sections.

I will start with 2 pianos:

First, I would like to create a sonority that remember me my college time when I played a 6' foot Schimmel with some friends on a piano bar... we spent more than many nights wink over that piano: quite bright, very percussive hammers, strong wood soundboard - I think the strings are very close to the soundboard because the decay are not so long as in other grand piano brends - that causes reduced impedance and increase much sympathetic resonances, the overall tone is slightly muffled, powerfull basses (but not very "deep"), very good dynamics as any grand and well playable but mf - p transitions some difficult to control because of the bright tones.

The second piano, will be for fun, something like my very first piano: a magnificent 2 octaves micro upright grin , fully wooden, action based on hard springs making very simple hammers bang tuned steel bars (not bells, not strings wink ). The tone is something between a piano and a xylophone grin smokin unfortunately I don't have this piano any more because it was destroyed in an accident, but I keep in mind so many good memories...

I will start to working on it and give my first draft soon...

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#1626429 - 02/23/11 03:26 AM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: Pinipon]
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Originally Posted By: Pinipon
I will start to working on it and give my first draft soon...

That's the spirit! thumb
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#1626614 - 02/23/11 11:18 AM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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Small winter warmifying update / fix: wink


SINGER-SONGWRITER PIANO R1.1

Dual Voice: Pop Piano 2, volume 5 + Concert Grand/Concert Grand 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +4, high 0

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal (open lid), mellow1 (half open lid), mellow2 (closed lid)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 6
2 - 5 Touch: heavy
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Room 2

Effect: none
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#1626664 - 02/23/11 12:19 PM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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No reason, but suddenly it's partytime! grin yippie


VIBRAPHONIC FUN R1.0

Dual Voice: Vibraphone, volume 7 + Marimba, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +6, high 0

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: bright 2
2 - 5 Touch: heavy

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: +1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Room 2

Effect: Tremolo, speed 5, depth 8

Rhythm: 2nd line, 120bpm
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#1628309 - 02/26/11 02:14 AM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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Refurbished model: whistle


SINGER-SONGWRITER PIANO R2.0

Dual Voice: Pop Piano 2, volume 5 + Concert Grand/Concert Grand 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +4, high +2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal (open lid), mellow1 (half open lid), mellow2 (closed lid)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 6
2 - 5 Touch: heavy
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Room 2

Effect: Tremolo, rate 1, depth 1
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#1629756 - 02/28/11 07:17 AM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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Let's get up close & personal: this currently is my favorite go-to piano sound. Its rather dark, direct and warm analog character can draw you deep into the music. This is the organic sound I 'almost' managed to do 5 years ago by supplementing The Grand (R1.0 at the time) with a load of analog style effects, but now the CA93/CA63 really makes it possible without even adding an effect, very pure! cool Warning: cheap headphones / oversensitive ears may not like this level of natural cabinet saturation. wink


PURE ANALOG STYLE PIANO R1.0

Dual Voice: Pop Piano, volume 2 + Mellow Grand, volume 8

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +5, high +1

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal (open lid), mellow1 (half open lid), mellow2 (closed lid)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 6
2 - 5 Touch: heavy
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Stage

Effect: none
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#1631194 - 03/02/11 04:10 AM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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I'm in a funny mood today, so let's continue the OT series of jokes about musicians (last time it was about violin players):

What do you say to a guitar player in a 3-piece suit?
"Will the defendant please rise ..." grin
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#1631230 - 03/02/11 06:57 AM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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How about this one:
Quote:
"Mommy! Mommy! When I grow up I want to be a guitar player!"
"No Johnny, you can't do both!"

Sorry, dear guitarists...

Quote:
Why are so many guitarists jokes one liners ?
So the rest of the band can understand them

Ouch to us keyboardists!

This one is nice:

Quote:
C, E-flat and G go into a bar. The bartender says, "Sorry, we don't serve minors," and E-flat leaves. C and G have an open fifth between them and after a few drinks, G is out flat. F comes in and tries to augment the situation, but is not sharp enough. D comes into the bar and heads straight for the bathroom saying, "Excuse me, I'll just be a second."

A comes into the bar, but the bartender is not convinced that this relative of C is not a minor and sends him out. Then the bartender notices a B-flat hiding at the end of the bar and shouts, "Get out now. You're the seventh minor I've found in this bar tonight."

Next night, E-flat, not easily deflated, comes into the bar in a 3-piece suit with nicely shined shoes. The bartender (who used to have a nice corporate job until his company downsized) says: "You're looking pretty sharp tonight. Come on in. This could be a major development." And in fact, E-flat takes off his suit and everything else and stands there au naturel. Eventually, C, who had passed out under the bar the night before, begins to sober up and realizes in horror that he's under a rest.

So, C goes to trial, is convicted of contributing to the diminution of a minor and sentenced to 10 years of DS without Coda at an up scale correctional facility. The conviction is overturned on appeal, however, and C is found innocent of any wrongdoing, even accidental, and that all accusations to the contrary are bassless.

The bartender decides, however, that since he's only had tenor so patrons, the soprano out in the bathroom and everything has become alto much treble, he needs a rest and closes the bar.


All from http://www.ducksdeluxe.com/jokes.html
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#1631237 - 03/02/11 07:26 AM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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I've listened to TADutchman's advice and bought a pair of Sennheiser HD-595s. I am really amazed by the clarity and the exceptional sound quality. I never believed there could be such a difference between cheap and good headphones. The CA63 really sings now! Thank you TADutchman! thumb Besides, now I can hear your presets the same way you hear them. You are right - I tried some of the most popular presets and the phasey effect is now reduced to the point it's barely noticeable! I'll have to go through most of the presets and re-evaluate them for myself.

But what you have created lastly is absolutely superb!
Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Let's get up close & personal
...

PURE ANALOG STYLE PIANO R1.0

...


That's one really close and intimate woody sound! Deep, dark, close, full-bodied, woody, soft, powerful, there so much in it! Perfect for dark Chopin stuff. Thank you again! It's my new favorite preset thumb

I think the "Mellow Grand" is a good starting point. I tried myself to come up with something interesting based on it but with no success frown However I believe you can produce many other excellent presets around it. Keep on with the good job!
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#1631536 - 03/02/11 03:28 PM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: CyberGene]
TADutchman Offline
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Originally Posted By: CyberGene
I've listened to TADutchman's advice and bought a pair of Sennheiser HD-595s. I am really amazed by the clarity and the exceptional sound quality. I never believed there could be such a difference between cheap and good headphones. The CA63 really sings now! Thank you TADutchman! thumb

You're welcome, CyberGene! Great to hear you're excited about your new HD595s. cool


Originally Posted By: CyberGene
But what you have created lastly is absolutely superb!
Originally Posted By: TADutchman
Let's get up close & personal
...

PURE ANALOG STYLE PIANO R1.0

...


That's one really close and intimate woody sound! Deep, dark, close, full-bodied, woody, soft, powerful, there so much in it! Perfect for dark Chopin stuff. Thank you again! It's my new favorite preset thumb

Excellent, so now it's confirmed that I've finally tackled that much anticipated Chopin sound. smile
Watch out Beethoven, you're next! shocked wink
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#1632503 - 03/03/11 01:33 PM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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People, nothing radical this time, 'just' a new Concert Grand: whistle


KAWAI CONCERT ARTIST R1.0

Dual Voice: Jazz Grand, volume 3 + Concert Grand, volume 7

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +4, high +4

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 7
2 - 5 Touch: heavy / normal
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 7

Reverb: Hall 2 / Stage

Effect: Delay 1, time 1, depth 1



This preset addresses the following points, without dramatically wanting to change the basic timbre of the standard Concert Grand (which so many people happen to like):

* Better hammer attack feel and improved dynamic range
* More advanced damper half pedalling control and soft pedal colouring
* Real Soundboard bass response and better midrange tonality
* More involving sympathetic resonance and discant behaviour
* Improved brilliance and concert hall experience



Just for fun I've made spectral pan views of about 12 seconds duration playing note C4 (no sustain pedal), showing changes in:

* Short attack transient complexity (non-linear richness in high volume part)
* Long decay transient dynamics (not depicted: with fully pressed sustain pedal both presets have a dynamic decay)
* Stereo Image (pretty wide, clearly not suited to combine stereo to mono)



Single voice mode CA63/CA93 Concert Grand factory preset:


Dual voice mode KAWAI CONCERT ARTIST R1.0 custom preset:



Of course the proof is in the eating of the pudding. Enjoy your meal! smile
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#1634951 - 03/06/11 03:15 PM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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Some time ago, I posted a link to an in-depth MP10 review in this thread.
Why not do something similar for the MP6 too? wink Well okay then, here's a rather personal MP6 (re-)view from the US:

http://azpianonews.blogspot.com/2011/01/kawai-mp6-digital-piano-awesome-piano.html
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#1635522 - 03/07/11 10:00 AM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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FYI:
I've updated the Kawai CA93/CA63 Custom Dual Voice Mode Presets List with TADutchman's latest creations.

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#1636242 - 03/08/11 01:27 AM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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Originally Posted By: ripe_md
I've updated the Kawai CA93/CA63 Custom Dual Voice Mode Presets List with TADutchman's latest creations.

Thanks, ripe_md. Did I mention that the layout looks great? It really does! cool
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#1636748 - 03/08/11 03:42 PM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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Originally Posted By: CyberGene
I think the "Mellow Grand" is a good starting point... I believe you can produce many other excellent presets around it. Keep on with the good job!
Allright, CyberGene, that's a correct observation for a certain range of interesting harmonics. Will do, at your service. wink

During 'the mother of all battles', the CA93/CA63 has been accused of having a slightly too fast note decay, right? Well, my stopwatch must be broken, because I just measured a record-breaking lowest note duration of something like 80 seconds!!! (your ears' mileage may vary) This can be perceived as seemingly neverending, because the extremely slow decaying transition to absolute silence is literally inaudible. This is the opposite compared to e.g. old skool (non-dithered) 16-bit recordings, where the sonic fade-out artifacts are often obnoxious i.m.h.o...
Shortly after this thread has passed the milestone of 50000 views, I hereby thankfully present something special to you all: eek crazy shocked cry tiki grin



THE MOTHER OF ALL D GRANDS R1.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 7 + Mellow Grand 2 / Concert Grand / Pop Piano / Modern Piano, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +5, high +2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 9
2 - 4 Key off effect: 7
2 - 5 Touch: normal
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 2, depth 4


Edited by TADutchman (03/10/11 12:04 PM)
Edit Reason: lighter voice variations added
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#1637978 - 03/10/11 05:38 AM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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Oh yeah, why not add some spectral pan views for demonstration purposes (note: this is a single C4 note, so without any significant sympathetic resonance): whistle


Single voice mode CA63/CA93 Concert Grand factory preset with Mellow Grand voice:


Dual voice mode THE MOTHER OF ALL D GRANDS R1.0 custom preset:




By the way, with only a slight adjustment it also sounds exceptional in a smaller (T60) and brighter reverberating Concert Hall environment: cool


THE MOTHER OF ALL D GRANDS R1.0 - HALL 1 EDITION

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 7 + Mellow Grand 2 / Concert Grand / Pop Piano / Modern Piano, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +5, high +2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 9
2 - 4 Key off effect: 7
2 - 5 Touch: normal
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Hall 1

Effect: Delay 3, time 2, depth 2


Edited by TADutchman (03/10/11 12:05 PM)
Edit Reason: lighter voice variations added
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#1638303 - 03/10/11 04:28 PM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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Call me stupid, but this is for the very first time that I'm actually applying dual voice mode according to an 'intended use' standard protocol which is valid for almost any DP (except for layer dynamics and dynamic voicing): piano + strings. laugh smile


GRAND STRINGS ENSEMBLE R1.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 5 + Slow Strings, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +4, mid +6, high +4
1 - 8 Damper hold: On

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 8
2 - 3 String resonance: 8
2 - 4 Key off effect: 7
2 - 5 Touch: normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 4

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 4, depth 4
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#1639998 - 03/13/11 04:36 AM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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Optimised balance for even more singing resonances and integrated custom touch option (between heavy and normal): cool


THE MOTHER OF ALL D GRANDS R2.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 6 + Mellow Grand 2 / Concert Grand / Pop Piano / Modern Piano, volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +5, high +3

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 7
2 - 5 Touch: normal / factory custom 2 (between normal & heavy touch)
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: wide / normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 2, depth 4


Edited by TADutchman (03/22/11 05:06 AM)
Edit Reason: touch setting options
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