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What is the best key action on a digital piano for 1000 USD?

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loveofallthings, you already started your own thread asking a similar question and now you've changed the direction of a thread you didn't start.


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Originally Posted by Dave Horne
It's probably common knowledge that the GranTouch series and the new AvantGrand (N2 and N3) are hybrid pianos, combining a real (well, slightly modified) grand piano action coupled to a grand piano sample.

Are there any other similar pianos out there? I remember hearing about another one years ago, Kawai ... ?


Did you already have a look at the new Kawai hybrid upright piano's?
http://www.kawai.de/k5atx_en.htm


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TADutchman, (I see we're neighbors) ... do you change that link?

I now see an upright piano with sensors.

The digital pianos from Kawai seem to use a wooden key but I'm guessing, also from their size, they do not incorporate a real grand or upright action.


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TADutchman, that Kawai upright has strings, right?

Kawai calls it a hybrid but it is the same as any other company that modifies an existing acoustic piano and adds digital add-ons.

For me, since it has strings, it's not a hybrid piano, others will no doubt disagree.


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Actually, I don't mind, but here's a Wikipedia definition of hybrid pianos (you might want to change this text according to your own liking):

Digital technology makes possible a vastly more sensitive and flexible version of the old player piano; for instance, the modern digital player piano can record as well as play. These pianos are often called 'hybrid pianos', as they have characteristics of both acoustic pianos (the piano sound is made by hammers on strings) and digital pianos (record/playback capability, as well as synthesizer and audio sound capability). Currently, five major manufacturers compete in this market.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innovations_in_the_piano


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Originally Posted by Dave Horne
The digital pianos from Kawai seem to use a wooden key but I'm guessing, also from their size, they do not incorporate a real grand or upright action.


Yes, they do incorporate a real acoustic Millennium 3 action; here's a link to an in-depth review in Dutch (and French is also available) of one of the new Kawai Anytime X series:
http://www.meetmusic.com/NL/archivedetail.asp?id=1184&subrubriek=3


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Since it's Wiki, I can go and redefine it, right? smile

For the purpose of this thread, I'm asking if there are other piano manufacturers, other than Yamaha, that market electronic pianos using a very slightly modified grand or upright keyboard action.

I used the word hybrid assuming my personal definition (and also that of Yamaha) was more or less universal. I see that it isn't.

So, is Yamaha the only company marrying up traditional keyboard actions to grand piano samples?


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Originally Posted by TADutchman
Originally Posted by Dave Horne
The digital pianos from Kawai seem to use a wooden key but I'm guessing, also from their size, they do not incorporate a real grand or upright action.


Yes, they do incorporate a real acoustic action; here's a link to an in-depth review in Dutch (and French is also available) of one of the new Kawai Anytime X series:
http://www.meetmusic.com/NL/archivedetail.asp?id=1184&subrubriek=3


I just called Van Urk in Rotterdam to confirm what I thought, the Kawai 'AnyTime' upright pianos are acoustic pianos with strings that have to be tuned but also have a digital add-on and silencing system.



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Slight bump. I played a Roland RG-3 at the weekend. It was very nice, seemed very responsive, nice sound and touch and I quite enjoyed playing it. I've since looked it up and it seems that perhaps it doesn't meet your definition of a hybrid? It's just a grand form factor of a DP.

OT, I actually visited Eastbourne in the UK, and (sad person) walked the seafront and went in every larger hotel looking for a piano. I found 9 or 10, I lost count, that included 4 grands. There was only two playable piano's of them all, a Steinbach upright, and the RG-3 - because it's a digital.

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The Bosendorfer prototype illustrates the problem with
these hybrids: it was already obsolete by the prototype
stage. A Roland V-Piano gives approximately the same
performance at a fraction of the price.

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Originally Posted by loveofallthings
What is the best key action on a digital piano for 1000 USD?


The Yamaha CP33. It sells for $999.
But the P155 has the same key action and sells for $1,200.
Above prices assume no discount off street prices.

Your $1,000 limit is just below the point where we start to get into the better digital piano key actions. At that price I think there are no with Rolands "none-alpha" keys and I don't think Kawai makes anything at all for $1,000. So the CP33 is the only reasonable answer to your question.

Raise the limit to $2,000 and then there are more options. At the $2K limit aall the big companies have something to offer

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