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#1823933 - 01/13/12 09:21 AM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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Originally Posted By: TADutchman
to get an idea of what a CA93 can sound like in an actual living room


...a CA 93 and a TV smile
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#1823949 - 01/13/12 09:48 AM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: supertorpe]
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grin Yes, I was quite surprised to actually notice the clarity and correct 3D positioning of the TV in the background (about 8m back right) ..stereo omnis yielding virtual surround sound.. coolwhistle

By the way, with mediocre PC (laptop) speakers chances are that the TV background sound cannot even be detected.
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#1824155 - 01/13/12 02:53 PM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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Originally Posted By: TADutchman
[quote=Brometeo]
2. Others to get an idea of what a CA93 can sound like in an actual living room (promised this before in several other threads), i.e. not in an often 'compromised' music store environment, assuming there is one nearby, nor by using rather clinical USB or line-out recordings.

To be continued...


And which CA93 sound config has used for that recording?
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#1824436 - 01/13/12 10:17 PM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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Just a question for the CA proficient, is it possible to get piano 1's voice selections on piano 2 for the purpose of layering two of the same pianos in different octaves. Did I miss this in the manual or is this not possible with the CA series. I love the acoustic like presence of the CA93 which I could never have had with the CP179. No regrets and the lack of ensemble will not be a problem. And thankyou very much for all the information on voice tayloring.
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#1824438 - 01/13/12 10:20 PM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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Rich, to clarify, do you wish to combine two sounds from the same button/category?

It's a little fiddly, but it should be possible. Here's an extract of the 'Dual Mode' explanation from page 19 of the owner's manual:

Originally Posted By: CA93/CA63 owner's manual - page 19
To layer two sounds assigned to the same SOUND SELECT button, first press a SOUND SELECT button to select the initial sound, then press and hold the same SOUND SELECT button, and finally press the UP or DOWN buttons to select the desired layered sound.


I hope this helps.

Cheers,
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#1824453 - 01/13/12 10:56 PM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: Kawai James]
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blushThats the part I read right over, I will try and varify. Thank you for the rapid responce and help.
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#1824514 - 01/14/12 02:15 AM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: Rich W]
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Originally Posted By: Rich W
..is it possible...layering two of the same pianos in different octaves...

Yes absolutely, see for example the PUB PIANO SING-A-LONG preset here:
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1514391.html#Post1514391
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#1824540 - 01/14/12 04:16 AM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: Brometeo]
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Originally Posted By: Brometeo
Originally Posted By: TADutchman
[quote=Brometeo]
2. Others to get an idea of what a CA93 can sound like in an actual living room (promised this before in several other threads), i.e. not in an often 'compromised' music store environment, assuming there is one nearby, nor by using rather clinical USB or line-out recordings.

To be continued...


And which CA93 sound config has used for that recording?


For getting this specific acoustic timbre: volume slider position 5.9


PRO SOLOIST - MELLOW VOICING R1.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 5 + Concert Grand 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +2, mid +3, high +4

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 2
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: Heavy
2 - 6 Temperament: Equal (Equal Stretch, i.e. not P.only)
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Room 1 / None

Effect: None


Edited by TADutchman (01/17/12 08:59 AM)
Edit Reason: removed year indication
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#1830120 - 01/23/12 08:27 AM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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This is the preset related optimisation:


PRO SOLOIST - MELLOW VOICING R2.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 5 + Concert Grand 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +2, mid +4, high +5

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow 2 (closed lid) / mellow 1 (half-open lid) / normal (open lid)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: Heavy
2 - 6 Temperament: Equal (= Equal Stretch in user manual)
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Room 1 / Room 2

Effect: Chorus, rate 2, depth 1


Edited by TADutchman (02/29/12 02:37 AM)
Edit Reason: EQ high +6 -> +5
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#1836410 - 02/01/12 10:48 AM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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This is the humble result of a live CA93 recording focussing on dynamics [26MB download]: recording done with the PRO SOLOIST - MELLOW VOICING R2.0 preset (closed lid, volume slider position 6.3) and a Neumann KM 183 spaced stereo pair.



http://dl.dropbox.com/u/50102670/Dynamics%20test%20Neumann%20KM%20183%20stereo%20pair.wav

If you listen carefully (with decent speakers or headphones), it could be audible in some parts that I have some small resonant body/bodies in the living (not referring to myself or my daughter). Let's try to identify them before moving on to other optimisations...
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#1836416 - 02/01/12 10:54 AM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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This one just keeps growing and growing. I have just ordered my CA-63 and it should arrive some time next week. It's going to be a lot of work to go through this whole thread. If only there was some kind of a list of all these custom sounds... In any case, I'll probably just try to pick out the jazzy ones on my first read through and save the rest for later smile

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#1836522 - 02/01/12 01:45 PM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: Madlock]
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Originally Posted By: Madlock
If only there was some kind of a list of all these custom sounds...


There is a list available, take a look at the first posting for the URL. It's even written in bold...

ripe_md

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#1836968 - 02/02/12 04:05 AM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: ripe_md]
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Originally Posted By: ripe_md
Originally Posted By: Madlock
If only there was some kind of a list of all these custom sounds...


There is a list available, take a look at the first posting for the URL. It's even written in bold...

ripe_md


Okay, sorry, it somehow eluded me (which is strange, as it is in bold as you said...). Thanks anyways for pointing it out, not to mention compiling it!

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#1838102 - 02/03/12 05:49 PM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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Let's share a picture of the CA93 live recording setup: whistle

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#1838104 - 02/03/12 05:52 PM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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Wow nice!

By the way, do those lamps not produce any signal interference?

Cheers,
James
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#1838346 - 02/04/12 02:55 AM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: Kawai James]
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Possibly in a good audiophile way, but I don't have any scientific proof for that yet! smokin

You can barely see it in this picture, but there are rubber damper materials and soft plastic feet attached to the lamps in order to effectively counteract low-frequency rumble (this was a topic we discussed and tackled almost two years ago, if I remember correctly). Nevertheless, it seems that my PC speakers are the culprits, as they do rumble during playback of the above-mentioned recording (i.e. not my headphones or Hifi speakers) and occasionally the cupboard and a real genuine copy of a standing Chinese abacus too. crazy smile
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#1840606 - 02/08/12 09:58 AM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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This is an extremely useful thread !

But are there any Kawai MP10 owners out there who can verify that these settings area possible to apply on the MP10 as well ? I'm asking since I'm having a hard time deciding between the MP10 and CA93..In fact it's unclear to me how the MP10 and CA93 differs with respect to inner workings, or if the CA93 is basically just an MP10 placed inside a cabinet.

Thanks,
Anders

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#1840613 - 02/08/12 10:12 AM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: Anders M]
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Originally Posted By: Anders M
This is an extremely useful thread !
Thank you, Anders! thumb

Comparing a CA93 to an MP10 is comparing a console type DP to a stagepiano, which is always difficult.

Just listing some important differences:
* The CA93 supports dual voice mode for piano voices, which is used almost exclusively in this thread; the MP10 does not and therefore this thread is not for MP10 users (after pondering about it for some time, I decided not to buy an MP10 next to my CA93 because of this i.m.h.o. lacking key feature).
* The CA93 integrates an excellent 6-speaker system combined with a real spruce soundboard and has a fixed three pedal board.
* The MP10 has less voices but more extensive Virtual Technician parameters and Midi options.
* The MP10 is portable, has a real-time user interface and controls suitable for live gigs.


Edited by TADutchman (02/08/12 01:19 PM)
Edit Reason: 'for piano voices' added
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#1840649 - 02/08/12 11:29 AM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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I just got mine MP10 yesterday, and I am really happy about it. Maybe you can't layer pianos together but it allows you to combine pianos with other stuff like harpsichord, xylophone or strings. You can make prepared piano when you layer grand with harpsichord for instance.

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#1843165 - 02/12/12 11:08 AM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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The Saga continues: just compare this one live to the standard factory preset @volume >6.0 if you dare! cool


PRO SOLOIST - NORMAL VOICING R1.0

Dual Voice: Concert Grand, volume 5 + Concert Grand 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +3, mid +5, high -6

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: Heavy
2 - 6 Temperament: Equal (= Equal Stretch in user manual)
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Room 2 / Hall 1 for headphones (NICE! wow)

Effect: Chorus, rate 4, depth 1



Edited by TADutchman (02/26/12 05:20 AM)
Edit Reason: EQ low +5 -> +3, mid +4 -> +5
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#1851338 - 02/25/12 09:26 AM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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Talking of rich acoustic piano tones at your place? Just turn up the volume of this baby! cool smokin


WARM BABY-MEDIUM GRAND AT HOME R1.0 - HEAVY TOUCH EDITION

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 5 + Pop Piano 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +6, high -1

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal / mellow 1
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: Heavy
2 - 6 Temperament: Equal (= Equal Stretch in user manual)
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 7

Reverb: Room 2

Effect: Chorus, rate 3, depth 2

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#1853653 - 02/29/12 11:12 AM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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Always look at the bright side of life: grin


PRO SOLOIST - BRIGHT VOICING R1.0

Dual Voice: Concert Grand, volume 5 + Studio Grand, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: OFF

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: bright 1 (open lid), normal (half-open lid), mellow 1 (closed lid)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: Heavy
2 - 6 Temperament: Equal (= Equal Stretch in user manual)
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Stage / Room 2

Effect: Chorus, rate 2, depth 1

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#1854185 - 03/01/12 10:52 AM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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Just a nice, simple sound.


KAWAI CONCERT GRAND - SIMPLE v1.0

Dual Voice: Concert Grand / Concert Grand 5-5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: Off

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: Normal
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 5
2 - 3 String resonance: 5
2 - 4 Key off effect: 5
2 - 5 Touch: Normal (or Light)

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Room 2 (or Stage)

Effects: Off
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#1854319 - 03/01/12 02:26 PM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: McBuster]
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That's a nice first attempt, McBuster thumb

In order to reduce the sonic artifacts resulting from layering the same piano sample (i.e. listen to each note going from pianissimo to fortissimo and I'm sure you'll notice), this relative volume change should help:


KAWAI CONCERT GRAND - SIMPLE v1.1

Dual Voice: Concert Grand / Concert Grand 6-4 (7-3) or 4-6 (3-7)

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: Off

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: Normal
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 5
2 - 3 String resonance: 5
2 - 4 Key off effect: 5
2 - 5 Touch: Normal (or Light)

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Room 2 (or Stage)

Effects: Off
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#1854781 - 03/02/12 08:47 AM Re: Bug report [Re: TADutchman]
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@Kawai James:

I could reproduce the following UI bug with the latest firmware version installed (also after several retries):

The PRO SOLOIST - MELLOW VOICING R2.0 (normal open lid, room 2) preset was successfully stored in registration memory 1, but apparantly could not be completely stored in user memory, i.e. after reboot the user memory has disabled the Chorus effect.

(I didn't have time to check whether it is a preset specific or a universal issue, but I have seen similar things before)
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#1854813 - 03/02/12 09:39 AM Re: Bug report [Re: TADutchman]
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Thank you for the bug report. As always, more details are always appreciated.

Kind regards,
James
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#1869837 - 03/28/12 02:24 PM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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Here you can find my favorite preset when using HD595 headphones (but also works fine live): cool


PRO SOLOIST - NORMAL VOICING R2.0

Dual Voice: Concert Grand, volume 6 + Concert Grand 2, volume 4 (balance in display = 4 - 6)

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +1, mid +6, high +2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: Heavy
2 - 6 Temperament: Equal (= Equal Stretch in user manual)
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Stage / Hall 1 for headphones (NICE! wow)

Effect: Chorus, rate 3, depth 1
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#1870041 - 03/28/12 10:37 PM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: TADutchman]
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OH HAPPY DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MY CA63SB JUST ARRIVED. CAN'T WAIT TO START PLAYING IT.
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#1870552 - 03/29/12 04:59 PM Re: Exclusively for KAWAI CA93/CA63 owners: custom settings [Re: Amateur Jerry]
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Congratulations on your purchase, Amateur Jerry!
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#1880411 - 04/16/12 07:53 AM Re: Bug report [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Thank you for the bug report. As always, more details are always appreciated.

Kind regards,
James
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Allright, here are some additional details: I've found a workaround to completely store the mentioned registration in user memory by manually editing the effect settings while in user memory and then saving to user memory (as opposed to saving a registration 1 - 8 to user memory, which does not fully work with this preset).
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