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#1460481 - 06/21/10 07:09 PM
Re: "classical" music and rap/hip-hop
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Wow... Let me talk for my age-group of classical "lovers". I am 16. To start, I hate rap. Mainly because it's just a bunch of guys trying to rhyme random words to swear words. Honestly, a song with swear words every two lines is really unnecessary. Also, there is no real melody, recurring melody, and all that stuff that makes classical music interesting. It's just synchysis over and over again (respectively). Generation gap has to do with it, but it isn't the main difference. It's the style. I grew up to classical, and generally speaking there isn't much else I enjoy. Every now and then a modern rock piece will come out that I enjoy, but nothing more.
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#1460482 - 06/21/10 07:09 PM
Re: rap/hip-hop
[Re: chopinizmyhomeboy]
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Almost all of my friends don't like either one. Personally I find it hard to like noise that generally loops about two seconds of music (that they usually swipe from some other musician) for the length of the piece (songs are sung after all), and then talk over the top of it. So hard in fact, that I don't even consider it music.
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#1460485 - 06/21/10 07:10 PM
Re: "classical" music and rap/hip-hop
[Re: chopinizmyhomeboy]
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my credo is: there are 2 kinds of music: good and bad, whether it's rap, b/b, concerto grosso or medieval choralgrunting, I don't mind, as long as it's goooooooooood.
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#1460490 - 06/21/10 07:17 PM
Re: "classical" music and rap/hip-hop
[Re: dolce sfogato]
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my credo is: there are 2 kinds of music: good and bad, whether it's rap, b/b, concerto grosso or medieval choralgrunting, I don't mind, as long as it's goooooooooood. I certainly agree. Within rap there are the favorable ones and unfavorable ones. I believe every genre offers something nice to hear and in enjoying all music gives the listener a very versatile musical experience. In the end, it all depends on taste  .
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#1460498 - 06/21/10 07:27 PM
Re: "classical" music and rap/hip-hop
[Re: JesseOffy]
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Wow... Let me talk for my age-group of classical "lovers". I am 16. To start, I hate rap. Mainly because it's just a bunch of guys trying to rhyme random words to swear words. Honestly, a song with swear words every two lines is really unnecessary. Also, there is no real melody, recurring melody, and all that stuff that makes classical music interesting. It's just synchysis over and over again (respectively). Generation gap has to do with it, but it isn't the main difference. It's the style. I grew up to classical, and generally speaking there isn't much else I enjoy. Every now and then a modern rock piece will come out that I enjoy, but nothing more. I think you have it all wrong. Swearing is certainly not the point of rap; the fact that you said "it's just a bunch of guys trying to rhyme random words to swear words" is absolutely bogus. That may seem true for some lesser rap "songs", however, many better rap "songs" have tremendous meaning and depth.
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#1460504 - 06/21/10 07:36 PM
Re: "classical" music and rap/hip-hop
[Re: chopinizmyhomeboy]
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c.i.m.h.b.:
I also like both. Not a tremendous amount of hip-hop, but definitely some. Some of the rhythms are just... awesome.
Also, love your use of the quotes in ' "classical" '. I'm not sure if you're doing it for the same reasons as I, but I hate the phrase "classical music" with a passion; I think it conveys tea and scones instead of blood and wrenching beauty. Using quotes is an acceptable compromise. For now.
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#1460525 - 06/21/10 08:11 PM
Re: "classical" music and rap/hip-hop
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I liked Gangsta's Paradise, like, 15 years ago. Does that count?
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#1460530 - 06/21/10 08:18 PM
Re: "classical" music and rap/hip-hop
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I have no interest in rap, though I like lots of popular music genres. Rap seems incomplete to me, as so much of it seems to lack an essential component: melody. And where melody is found, it's often unoriginal (i.e., sampled or otherwise derived from previous dance music).
Another factor for me is my dislike of the aggressively macho posturing. I don't really relate to the cultural mindset or esthetic of rap at all; I don't understand the creative impulse behind it or the way it's rendered into a "musical" product.
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#1460534 - 06/21/10 08:25 PM
Re: "classical" music and rap/hip-hop
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I liked Gangsta's Paradise, like, 15 years ago. Does that count? I like Amish Parade... does that count? 
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#1460541 - 06/21/10 08:39 PM
Re: "classical" music and rap/hip-hop
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Weird Al transcends everything. Everything.
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#1460549 - 06/21/10 08:48 PM
Re: "classical" music and rap/hip-hop
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Not classical music.  (Somehow this is relevant, I just know it).
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#1460556 - 06/21/10 09:04 PM
Re: "classical" music and rap/hip-hop
[Re: JesseOffy]
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Rap: Pounding bass. No melodic line. Repetitious. Repetitious. Repetitious. Inane, violent, angry or vulgar lyrics. It all sounds the same.
Hip Hop: Pounding bass. Repetitious. Repetitious. Repetitious. Inane lyrics. It all sounds the same and the singers use the same stylized set of slides from note to note.
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#1460558 - 06/21/10 09:06 PM
Re: "classical" music and rap/hip-hop
[Re: JesseOffy]
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I don't listen to a lot of hip-hop, but I grew up listening to a lot of Run-DMC in the 80's, and I also like some of what Busta Rhymes and Eminem have done.
I also included two lectures on hip-hop when I taught music appreciation, and I did it to illustrate a point that Bartok made.
In Bartok's work on ethnomusicology, he discovered that music is an inevitable result of culture. People are bound together and derive their identity not only from language, religion and shared history, but also cuisine, fashion, literature (stories), art, and music.
Hip-hop is a wonderful example, and over the years, it has evolved much like most other kinds of music. It began in Brooklyn in the 1970s as DJs for block and street parties began talking over the music and manipulating turntables to keep the party going. It was positive and community-oriented, and was mostly unknown outside of New York.
Then, certain artists began to find a wider audience, and others became interested. Hip-hop was adopted and adapted by others, most notably the west coast (Public Enemy, N.W.A. and the beginning of "gangsta rap.") As hip-hop became more widespread, it was also borrowed by other mainstream artists (Run-DMC's collaboration with Aerosmith, for example.) It also spread across race boundaries (think Vanilla Ice and Eminem.) Hip-Hop has driven technology (sampling and looping) and even has some Avant-Garde artists trying some rather interesting things. (Jay-Z's Black Album, for example.)
Hip-hop is also more than a musical phenomenon. The culture also encompasses art (graffiti, which has become increasingly accepted in the fine art community) and dance (breakdancing, which evolved into hip hop dance and crossed over to Broadway with Stomp and Bring in 'da Noise, Bring in 'da Funk.)
Much of this mirrors developments in classical music as well. Classical musicians have adopted the music of the far east (Debussy's Pagodes and Rachmaninoff's Orientale, and contemporary composers like Tan Dun and Chen Yi), gypsy music (Albeniz, Falla, Turina), and Latin American music (Villa-Lobos, Ginastera.) Classical music has a variety of associated dance (from Viennese waltzes to the ballet traditions of France and Russia.)
Classical music has also crossed over into popular culture (think Bugs Bunny), and popular culture has always exerted an influence on classical music as well. (From the quodlibet that closes the Goldberg Variations to Brahms's settings of folk songs for the choruses he conducted to Horowitz's Stars and Stripes Forever.)
There's no denying that Hip-Hop has a strong effect on the ears of many, both positive and negative. No one is required to like it, just as no one is required to enjoy the music of Liszt. Some do, some don't; that's just the nature of music.
But like it or not, Hip-Hop is a valid artistic phenomenon. Whether someone likes or dislikes the message or sound is besides the point. Lots of people dislike the message/sound of Schoenberg, but that doesn't invalidate his place in history or the influence he's had. One need only leaf through Slonimsky's Lexicon of Musical Invective to discover that it is very easy to find severe criticism of any artist. (Remember, some people disliked Beethoven's music during his lifetime, thinking it little more than disagreeable noise.)
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#1460565 - 06/21/10 09:25 PM
Re: "classical" music and rap/hip-hop
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I have no interest in rap, though I like lots of popular music genres. Rap seems incomplete to me, as so much of it seems to lack an essential component: melody. And where melody is found, it's often unoriginal (i.e., sampled or otherwise derived from previous dance music).
Another factor for me is my dislike of the aggressively macho posturing. I don't really relate to the cultural mindset or esthetic of rap at all; I don't understand the creative impulse behind it or the way it's rendered into a "musical" product. I was going to reply to the Op, but Chopinist covered it pretty well for me, so I will just add my +1. Add another one to Chopinist. The macho-posturing is very distasteful. It's also very hard to identify with the artist's messages - which are an integral part of the music, I think. As my girlfriend puts it "I have no interest in listening to some angry, violent, greedy, sexist guy's personal diary put to music". This may be generalizing, but so be it - it's hard to find any rap music that doesn't glorify these elements, and the occasional exception to the rule doesn't make up for the majority of rap music and it's message to young people. Popular music can have a profound effect on young people and how they shape their lives, how they rebel, or how they fit in with their peers. Unfortunately, pop music is full of rich, pompopus jerks - it has always astounded me how teenagers can identify with these people and shape their lives in emulation, when they know full well (or perhaps they don't) that they don't have a snowball's chance in hell of every coming close to their idol's way of life. Similar to the over-enthusiastic football dad who places absolutely no value in their son's education, because they feel that their sports ability will carry them through, and give them a glorious, money-filled career in the NFL. NOT likely, daddy... There are probably better odds in playing the lottery. In the end, a rap star is the LAST person a young person should be shaping their life after... So in all this - I haven't commented on the musical value of any of this music, because when one cannot get past the aforementioned points, it's very, very difficult to appreciate the music: it may be the greatest music in the world, but it's hard to separate the music from the man when you are living contemporaneously with the artist. Chances are that I would have hated Beethoven if I had ever met him in real life, as would have most people who enjoy his music currently - it's hard to say how any of us would have reacted, especially if we came from different social classses and philosophies. Of course, there are those admirable, politically-correct people who can look past all social distinctions and personal differences and find the musical gem hiding inside, if the exterior grit hasn't dulled it beyond all recognition. Richard Gere saw more in Julia Roberts than I could have! What a nice fella':
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#1460570 - 06/21/10 09:42 PM
Re: "classical" music and rap/hip-hop
[Re: Kreisler]
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I also included two lectures on hip-hop when I taught music appreciation, and I did it to illustrate a point that Bartok made.... I want to take your course!  -Jason
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#1460578 - 06/21/10 10:00 PM
Re: "classical" music and rap/hip-hop
[Re: Chopinist]
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I have no interest in rap, though I like lots of popular music genres. Rap seems incomplete to me, as so much of it seems to lack an essential component: melody. And where melody is found, it's often unoriginal (i.e., sampled or otherwise derived from previous dance music).
Another factor for me is my dislike of the aggressively macho posturing. I don't really relate to the cultural mindset or esthetic of rap at all; I don't understand the creative impulse behind it or the way it's rendered into a "musical" product. I completely disagree with you. I believe that rap does indeed have a melody; it just depends on the perspective in which you listen to it. About the macho posturing, I disagree with that as well. I think you generalized that aspect of some rappers for every rapper and that is not correct. There are many rappers I like who do not portray an overly-macho personality.
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#1460584 - 06/21/10 10:10 PM
Re: "classical" music and rap/hip-hop
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Hip-Hop has driven technology (sampling and looping) and even has some Avant-Garde artists trying some rather interesting things. (Jay-Z's Black Album, for example.)
Lest we get too carried away with the glories of hip-hop, it should be noted that although it did influence some later development of technology, the concepts of sampling and looping existed before hip-hop. Though the term "sampling" wasn't in existence, the idea of using various sources of recorded sound to construct a new piece of music goes back to musique concrete, which emerged around the middle of the last century. And the early digital samplers probably influenced hip-hop rather than the other way around. The early electronic composers also experimented with tape loops, and Steve Reich famous looped and phased piece, "It's Gonna Rain" comes from 1965.
(Remember, some people disliked Beethoven's music during his lifetime, thinking it little more than disagreeable noise.)
When I was a kid, one of the reasons I liked Beethoven was exactly because it was disagreeable noise, to some in my family.  In a nice little coincidence, just earlier today, I found out there was such a thing as instrumental hip-hop, with no vocals, and I thought "I need to check into that." It's the vocals that put me off, not only because of content and tone, but because I really really hate spoken word with music, no matter what the genre (Copland's Lincoln Portrait makes me cringe). So it's good to know there's hip-hop with no rap involved. Just looking at the Wikipedia stuff on it, I guess it sort of merges with other electronic sub-genres, some of which I think have some interesting artists involved.
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#1460585 - 06/21/10 10:14 PM
Re: "classical" music and rap/hip-hop
[Re: Kreisler]
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I don't listen to a lot of hip-hop, but I grew up listening to a lot of Run-DMC in the 80's, and I also like some of what Busta Rhymes and Eminem have done.
I also included two lectures on hip-hop when I taught music appreciation, and I did it to illustrate a point that Bartok made.
In Bartok's work on ethnomusicology, he discovered that music is an inevitable result of culture. People are bound together and derive their identity not only from language, religion and shared history, but also cuisine, fashion, literature (stories), art, and music.
Hip-hop is a wonderful example, and over the years, it has evolved much like most other kinds of music. It began in Brooklyn in the 1970s as DJs for block and street parties began talking over the music and manipulating turntables to keep the party going. It was positive and community-oriented, and was mostly unknown outside of New York.
Then, certain artists began to find a wider audience, and others became interested. Hip-hop was adopted and adapted by others, most notably the west coast (Public Enemy, N.W.A. and the beginning of "gangsta rap.") As hip-hop became more widespread, it was also borrowed by other mainstream artists (Run-DMC's collaboration with Aerosmith, for example.) It also spread across race boundaries (think Vanilla Ice and Eminem.) Hip-Hop has driven technology (sampling and looping) and even has some Avant-Garde artists trying some rather interesting things. (Jay-Z's Black Album, for example.)
Hip-hop is also more than a musical phenomenon. The culture also encompasses art (graffiti, which has become increasingly accepted in the fine art community) and dance (breakdancing, which evolved into hip hop dance and crossed over to Broadway with Stomp and Bring in 'da Noise, Bring in 'da Funk.)
Much of this mirrors developments in classical music as well. Classical musicians have adopted the music of the far east (Debussy's Pagodes and Rachmaninoff's Orientale, and contemporary composers like Tan Dun and Chen Yi), gypsy music (Albeniz, Falla, Turina), and Latin American music (Villa-Lobos, Ginastera.) Classical music has a variety of associated dance (from Viennese waltzes to the ballet traditions of France and Russia.)
Classical music has also crossed over into popular culture (think Bugs Bunny), and popular culture has always exerted an influence on classical music as well. (From the quodlibet that closes the Goldberg Variations to Brahms's settings of folk songs for the choruses he conducted to Horowitz's Stars and Stripes Forever.)
There's no denying that Hip-Hop has a strong effect on the ears of many, both positive and negative. No one is required to like it, just as no one is required to enjoy the music of Liszt. Some do, some don't; that's just the nature of music.
But like it or not, Hip-Hop is a valid artistic phenomenon. Whether someone likes or dislikes the message or sound is besides the point. Lots of people dislike the message/sound of Schoenberg, but that doesn't invalidate his place in history or the influence he's had. One need only leaf through Slonimsky's Lexicon of Musical Invective to discover that it is very easy to find severe criticism of any artist. (Remember, some people disliked Beethoven's music during his lifetime, thinking it little more than disagreeable noise.) One of the best posts I've ever read on PW! 
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#1460590 - 06/21/10 10:22 PM
Re: "classical" music and rap/hip-hop
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I love rap...just today's hip hop sucks...90s was the best 8)
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#1460604 - 06/21/10 10:49 PM
Re: "classical" music and rap/hip-hop
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Hip-Hop has driven technology (sampling and looping)
No it didn't.
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#1460611 - 06/21/10 11:09 PM
Re: "classical" music and rap/hip-hop
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I have no interest in rap, though I like lots of popular music genres. Rap seems incomplete to me, as so much of it seems to lack an essential component: melody. And where melody is found, it's often unoriginal (i.e., sampled or otherwise derived from previous dance music).
Another factor for me is my dislike of the aggressively macho posturing. I don't really relate to the cultural mindset or esthetic of rap at all; I don't understand the creative impulse behind it or the way it's rendered into a "musical" product. I completely disagree with you. I believe that rap does indeed have a melody; it just depends on the perspective in which you listen to it. About the macho posturing, I disagree with that as well. I think you generalized that aspect of some rappers for every rapper and that is not correct. There are many rappers I like who do not portray an overly-macho personality. Hmm, I dunno. It still seems like declamatory verse and a rhythm track—and more an expression of cultural angst and personal anger (or vice versa)—than "music" (not that there's anything wrong with that). And even though I claim no understanding of it, I do remember the inception of rap and hip hop as an artistic form and movement. I came of age during the disco era, and those were some of the offshoots into which dance music began to morph. There was some debate at the time over whether it had a viable future, which made sense given the limited lifespan of disco itself. (Remember when there was a Grammy for Best Disco Recording?) I thought rap was surely a flash in the pan, but what did I know? (Answer: even less then than I do now.) I certainly had my pulse on the roots and the cultural associations of the disco scene (and even the eventual backlash), but rap/hip hop were foreign; one scene was mostly bourgeois (even if many participants felt alienated and outside the mainstream), and the other from the streets where people were poor and even more disenfranchised. I remember when "Rapper's Delight" and "The Breaks" were released, and I recall having some other old school favorites, too, back in the day; "The Message," "White Lines" and "AJ Scratch" come to mind. I wonder what became of early figures like Afrika Bambaataa, Man Parrish and Arthur Baker. Oh well. I was fondest of the R&B, funk and Philly Soul roots of disco anyway, not to mention its European and Canadian influences and hi-energy successors. I listened to a lot of synthpop in the 80s, but current popular music is barely on my radar except for Black Eyed Peas and Lady Gaga. One last thought about something I don't like about rap but didn't mention previously: fans seem as aggressive and in-your-face as the rappers themselves. Whether carrying boom boxes back in the day, or blasting the "music" from a car at a decibel level that vibrates adjacent vehicles, the stance is inescapably one of imposing one's own personal taste and space upon other people—in other words, MFFY. That's hostile! I was much more comfortable with disco's ethos of hedonism, and have always found solace in classical's culture of quiet enjoyment.
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#1460615 - 06/21/10 11:16 PM
Re: "classical" music and rap/hip-hop
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I think technology companies have jumped at the new markets created by hip-hop, and there are certainly things in Reason and Logic that cater to Hip-Hop producers. The Roland TR-808 was an important part of the 80's hip hop sound.
Hip-hop artists certainly didn't invent the technology. The groundwork was laid by pioneers like Varese and Dodge. But many of the tools used in hip-hop and by DJs have created a market that wouldn't have existed otherwise.
Technology has been a big part of the hip-hop movement, and technology and hip-hop have had a profound effect on each other.
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#1460617 - 06/21/10 11:21 PM
Re: "classical" music and rap/hip-hop
[Re: Kreisler]
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Just to add one minor observation in the same vein as Kreisler's first post (which I believe is spot on), another thing that seems to be shared by most new and temporarily unfamiliar types of music is the accusation that "it's not music, it's just a bunch of random noise".
Chopinist, all I can say is: "Disco s..." "Disco su..." "Disco surely is yet another example of a legitimate and innovative musical genre."
Jim
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#1460623 - 06/21/10 11:25 PM
Re: "classical" music and rap/hip-hop
[Re: Kreisler]
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Hip-hop artists certainly didn't invent the technology. The groundwork was laid by pioneers like Varese and Dodge. But many of the tools used in hip-hop and by DJs have created a market that wouldn't have existed otherwise.
Certainly developers have added window dressing to existing technology to attract hip-hop customers as well as musicians but sequence looping and sampling technology (and sample looping) needs no other driving force than the one that spawned it - affordable production.
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#1460641 - 06/22/10 12:35 AM
Re: "classical" music and rap/hip-hop
[Re: Damon]
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If the technology exists to make music without devoting yourself to an instrument and taking the time to learn it, people will use it.
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#1460644 - 06/22/10 12:44 AM
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If the technology exists to make music without devoting yourself to an instrument and taking the time to learn it, people will use it. Yes - look at the popularity of Guitar Hero and the other music games where you hit the colored buttons. I have read that the next version will have an actual working keyboard, however - perhaps the beginning of a budding new piano student?
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#1460646 - 06/22/10 12:50 AM
Re: "classical" music and rap/hip-hop
[Re: MathGuy]
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Just to add one minor observation in the same vein as Kreisler's first post (which I believe is spot on), another thing that seems to be shared by most new and temporarily unfamiliar types of music is the accusation that "it's not music, it's just a bunch of random noise".
Chopinist, all I can say is: "Disco s..." "Disco su..." "Disco surely is yet another example of a legitimate and innovative musical genre."
Jim I don't like rap. But I would never say it is a bunch of random noise. Just the opposite. It sounds to me like maddeningly repetitive, predictable noise.
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