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#584954 - 06/27/07 04:10 PM Clair de Lune
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Im going to get to work on this piece,its one of my favourites.How long will it take to master it if i put in about half hour a day.Ive been learning piano 5 years now and passed my abrsm grade 8,to give some indication of my experience.

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#584955 - 06/27/07 07:50 PM Re: Clair de Lune
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That all depends on how efficiently you practice, your talent, your technique, etc. It is impossible to answer. It will take as long as it takes, and no less. ;\)
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#584956 - 06/27/07 07:57 PM Re: Clair de Lune
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As Morodiene says, it's impossible to say how long it will take you to learn it for the reasons that were stated. Perhaps your teacher might have a better idea, since s/he should know your skills and talents.

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#584957 - 06/28/07 01:37 AM Re: Clair de Lune
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if you take a average progresser ,on average how long would it take anybody.

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#584958 - 06/28/07 05:43 AM Re: Clair de Lune
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Originally posted by Daren:
if you take a average progresser ,on average how long would it take anybody. [/b]
how long is a piece of string?
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#584959 - 06/28/07 09:56 AM Re: Clair de Lune
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Originally posted by Daren:
if you take a average progresser ,on average how long would it take anybody. [/b]
Consider yourself average and let us know when you've mastered it.

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#584960 - 06/28/07 10:06 AM Re: Clair de Lune
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Even though I have learnt this piece, I still couldn't really give you a proper answer. It's even fair to say that I'm still learning it as, like any other piece, some of the polish is lost if it isn't played for a while.

What I will say though is that it is a wonderful piece, and if you have passed grade 8 and have been playing for 5 years you are undoubtedly above my standard, so go for it!

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#584961 - 06/28/07 10:10 AM Re: Clair de Lune
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Daren -

"Clair de Lune" is listed as a "Grade 7" piece in the Graded Pieces spreadsheet floating around here.

If you have passed ABRSM Grade 8, this piece should be well within your grasp. It should be a little easier than the pieces you prepared for the Grade 8 exam.

So I'll go out on a limb and predict that you should be able to get the notes under your fingers within a couple of months, and have the piece performance-ready in a couple more months.

It took me about 5 months to learn this piece well enough to play at my piano teacher's studio recital. I likely didn't play to the standard of a judged exam, but I was around an ABRSM Grade 3 level when I started working on the piece.

So I think this piece should be quite "do-able" for you.
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#584962 - 08/14/07 07:24 PM Re: Clair de Lune
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i am preparing this composition as well for my recital in September, and just say that it is a PURE JOY practicing it everyday. it is an awesome piece and very Tear-jerking, especially when the melody winds down after the 'waterfall' thirds? part and the ending where you can apply a myriad of different interpretations to.

ohhh. such a beautiful melody, i wonder what Debussey was going through or imagining when he composed this.

just make sure you get the rythym of the 9 1/8 notes correct in the beginning. that has to be solid or else any experienced piano player or music theory person can tell you dont understand the beat of this piece.
also, play the sections SLOW and repeat OVER and OVER again, that is how i learned it, then gradually increase speed. (i guess for learning in general, no?)

when you play this piece SLOWLY, the melody doesnt jump out at you and it sounds awkward and very strange in alot of areas. VERY STRANGE, but keep persevering and when you increase it to a melodic speed... you will start to hear the meaning behind that measure and it is EXCITING. you get it. like, "oh my God! i did not know what this measure was trying to say, but now that i practiced it and can play it faster , it is revealed to be sooooobeautiful!!!"

does anyone have this epiphany with Clair De Lune?

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#1462028 - 06/23/10 10:29 PM Re: Clair de Lune [Re: brian13]
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Brian,

I've been working on this for 2 months. I have had a few partial epiphanies and will be excited to master (if that's possible for me) this beautiful piece. It is fun to practice and imagine the possibilities. To the original question, I also posted a similar question on the Adult beginner forum. I was wondering how long it took others to learn this. I have no idea how to rank my abilities (I just play for the sheer joy of it), but I'm guessing I'm 1/2 way there with this piece give or take a month or so. Even after that, I can see a long term effort to "polish" it.
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#1462130 - 06/24/10 01:44 AM Re: Clair de Lune [Re: Magnolia88]
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Magnolia :

The original poster opened this thread three years ago and hasn't posted in this forum since then. There's not much point in answering his question!

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#1462165 - 06/24/10 04:19 AM Re: Clair de Lune [Re: brian13]
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Originally Posted By: brian13
ohhh. such a beautiful melody, i wonder what Debussy was going through or imagining when he composed this.

Well, it is named after a poem by Paul Verlaine, Clair de Lune, in Fêtes Galantes. It is quite beautiful, and Verlaine was famous for having a very musical writing, constantly playing with rhythms and sounds. This poem also has many references to music, so its content is musical both in form and in subject.
I'd gladly link it but I assume hardly anybody could read it ; I've found a few translation on the internet, but most were not that good - and a few were completly non-sensical, so be careful if you search for it.

I particularily like those last lines,
Au calme clair de lune triste et beau,
Qui fait rêver les oiseaux dans les arbres
Et sangloter d'extase les jets d'eau,
Les grands jets d'eau sveltes parmi les marbres.


There are a few incertainties on how to read the last line especially, regarding how to cut the "vers" before or after "sveltes". Totally changes the rhythm, and really mind blowing poetry...


Edited by Mostly (06/24/10 04:25 AM)

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#1462308 - 06/24/10 11:23 AM Re: Clair de Lune [Re: Mostly]
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Verlaine is amazing. Thanks for the poetry.
My favorite lines are the simple Chanson d'Automne. It is a particular pleasure to write it down. I memorized it when I was a little girl.

Les sanglots longs
Des violons
De l'automne
Blessent mon coeur
D'une langueur
Monotone.

Tout suffocant
Et blême, quand
Sonne l'heure,
Je me souviens
Des jours anciens
Et je pleure,

Et je m'en vais
Au vent mauvais
Qui m'emporte
Deçà, delà
Pareil à la
Feuille morte.

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#1462418 - 06/24/10 02:35 PM Re: Clair de Lune [Re: BruceD]
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Originally Posted By: BruceD
Magnolia :

The original poster opened this thread three years ago and hasn't posted in this forum since then. There's not much point in answering his question!

Regards,


Wow...I just noticed that XD
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#1462465 - 06/24/10 04:45 PM Re: Clair de Lune [Re: Skorpius]
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Don't worry, this occurrence is not rare.

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#1462501 - 06/24/10 05:52 PM Re: Clair de Lune [Re: BruceD]
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Originally Posted By: BruceD
Magnolia :

The original poster opened this thread three years ago and hasn't posted in this forum since then. There's not much point in answering his question!

Regards,


Wonder if he ever learned it. I so, how long do you suppose it took him?
:>)

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#1462552 - 06/24/10 07:43 PM Re: Clair de Lune [Re: cardguy]
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I reckon you could send him a PM.

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