Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
the Forums & Piano World

This custom search works much better than the built in one and allows searching older posts.
(ad 125) Sweetwater - Digital Keyboards & Other Gear
Digital Pianos at Sweetwater
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad) Pianoteq
Latest Pianoteq add-on instrument: U4 upright piano
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
PianoSupplies.com (150)
Piano Accessories Music Related Gifts Piano Tuning Equipment Piano Moving Equipment
We now offer Gift Certificates in our online store!
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Piano
Quick Links to Useful Stuff
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers
*Organs

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano Accessories
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Contest
*Links
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
Page 2 of 4 < 1 2 3 4 >
Topic Options
#1467177 - 07/02/10 07:12 PM Re: Rach and his 2nd sonata [Re: dolce sfogato]
Pogorelich. Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/28/08
Posts: 4528
Loc: in the past
You guys are hilarious. Hilarrrious!!

As for me, I'm actually off to practice rach 2nd sonata. =) on a yamaha but whatever.
_________________________

'I want to invest my emotions only in music; it will never disappoint me or hurt me - it is a safe place to be.'

Top
Ad 800 (Pearl River)
Pearl River World's Best Selling Piano
#1467178 - 07/02/10 07:12 PM Re: Rach and his 2nd sonata [Re: dolce sfogato]
FunkyLlama Offline
Full Member

Registered: 04/09/09
Posts: 359
Originally Posted By: dolce sfogato
Originally Posted By: FunkyLlama
Originally Posted By: dolce sfogato
just be glad to have heard it performed by a great artist, and think: "I just heard a beautiful rendition of the second Sonata of Sergei Rachmaninov by soandso" instead of using the condescending ab.s that reduce it to the level that the users of those ab.s have..
Condescending? To whom? I'm sure Rach himself doesn't mind, what with being dead and all.
just stop it, and spell his name, quite a challenge for some people...
Why should I type his name out in full? Explain to me why I should and I'll be only too glad to.

Top
#1467181 - 07/02/10 07:16 PM Re: Rach and his 2nd sonata [Re: FunkyLlama]
Pogorelich. Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/28/08
Posts: 4528
Loc: in the past
This is the Internet, do you really think it's a fair representation of who we actually are? Obviously some of the members here think they are above everybody. Wouldn't be the first time music and arrogance have crossed...
_________________________

'I want to invest my emotions only in music; it will never disappoint me or hurt me - it is a safe place to be.'

Top
#1467183 - 07/02/10 07:22 PM Re: Rach and his 2nd sonata [Re: Pogorelich.]
dolce sfogato Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/29/10
Posts: 2643
Loc: Netherlands
have fun with the rach 2 son. and do a bit of the chop. et.s, u'll be a great artist, i'm sure, but do not let me get the impres. that u no what ure doing, coss culture has a bloodline going much farther back than one might think, and one is to be encouraged to indulge in that knowledge, if one refuses, art will die.
_________________________
Longtemps, je me suis couché de bonne heure, but not anymore!

Mussorgski tableaux d'une exposition/Ravel miroirs

Top
#1467185 - 07/02/10 07:25 PM Re: Rach and his 2nd sonata [Re: dolce sfogato]
Pogorelich. Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/28/08
Posts: 4528
Loc: in the past
Hmm so now I'm not cultured. Sweet! Didn't know that about myself. Thank you so much mr. Shrink.
_________________________

'I want to invest my emotions only in music; it will never disappoint me or hurt me - it is a safe place to be.'

Top
#1467186 - 07/02/10 07:26 PM Re: Rach and his 2nd sonata [Re: dolce sfogato]
FunkyLlama Offline
Full Member

Registered: 04/09/09
Posts: 359
Originally Posted By: dolce sfogato
have fun with the rach 2 son. and do a bit of the chop. et.s, u'll be a great artist, i'm sure, but do not let me get the impres. that u no what ure doing, coss culture has a bloodline going much farther back than one might think, and one is to be encouraged to indulge in that knowledge, if one refuses, art will die.
... so abbreviations previously thought harmless are single-handedly destroying art. Yes, that seems feasible.


Edited by FunkyLlama (07/02/10 07:27 PM)

Top
#1467187 - 07/02/10 07:27 PM Re: Rach and his 2nd sonata [Re: Pogorelich.]
dolce sfogato Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/29/10
Posts: 2643
Loc: Netherlands
don't take me too seriously, am in a bad modd, beware! XX
_________________________
Longtemps, je me suis couché de bonne heure, but not anymore!

Mussorgski tableaux d'une exposition/Ravel miroirs

Top
#1467188 - 07/02/10 07:28 PM Re: Rach and his 2nd sonata [Re: dolce sfogato]
dolce sfogato Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/29/10
Posts: 2643
Loc: Netherlands
'mood' it should be, obviously, still bad though..grrr
_________________________
Longtemps, je me suis couché de bonne heure, but not anymore!

Mussorgski tableaux d'une exposition/Ravel miroirs

Top
#1467211 - 07/02/10 08:23 PM Re: Rach and his 2nd sonata [Re: dolce sfogato]
Pogorelich. Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/28/08
Posts: 4528
Loc: in the past
Join the club.
_________________________

'I want to invest my emotions only in music; it will never disappoint me or hurt me - it is a safe place to be.'

Top
#1467265 - 07/02/10 10:22 PM Re: Rach and his 2nd sonata [Re: Pogorelich.]
Kreisler Offline



Registered: 11/27/02
Posts: 13792
Loc: Iowa City, IA
Originally Posted By: AngelinaPogorelich
This is the Internet, do you really think it's a fair representation of who we actually are?


I think it's a fair representation of how respectful someone is.

I'm always more likely to respond to a post that is well written, and when people have established a reputation of being respectful, I'm far more likely to show them respect as well, even when they don't agree.

If BruceD says "I have to disagree with Kreisler, the 3rd concerto is every bit as well-constructed as the 2nd. The texture is dense, and the structural details are perhaps not as obvious, but they are there nonetheless," then I would be tempted to get the score and recording and give the work a 2nd chance with an open mind.

But if *crzyPIANOnerd* says "ur an idiot, rach 3 is awesome. ur probably just mad that ur not good enuf to play it," then I'd be tempted to stop reading the thread altogether and ignore *crzyPIANOnerd*'s future postings.

Finally, there's really no such thing as "who we really are." As Oscar Wilde wrote, "to hide the artist is art's aim," and there's some truth to that. We all construct images of ourselves for the world to see. Whether it's how we dress, how we act, how we play, how we speak, or how we write, the only thing people have to judge us by is what we give them. This is why I believe the arts exist - it's a means of communication and a medium of self-exploration. It is never the whole truth, but it does give us a unique and interesting glimpse. (And yes, for all you philosophy fans out there, I basically stole all that from Schopenhauer, but I happen to agree with him.)
_________________________
"If we continually try to force a child to do what he is afraid to do, he will become more timid, and will use his brains and energy, not to explore the unknown, but to find ways to avoid the pressures we put on him." (John Holt)

www.pianoped.com
www.youtube.com/user/UIPianoPed

Top
#1467271 - 07/02/10 10:41 PM Re: Rach and his 2nd sonata [Re: Kreisler]
BB Player Offline


Registered: 11/17/06
Posts: 2614
Loc: Not in Texas
Originally Posted By: Kreisler

Every piece that's capable of moving even a single listener deserves that chance. To have a champion and a convert, however fleeting the moment may be.


Very well said.
_________________________
Greg

Top
#1467315 - 07/02/10 11:57 PM Re: Rach and his 2nd sonata [Re: Kreisler]
Pogorelich. Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/28/08
Posts: 4528
Loc: in the past
Originally Posted By: Kreisler
Originally Posted By: AngelinaPogorelich
This is the Internet, do you really think it's a fair representation of who we actually are?


I think it's a fair representation of how respectful someone is.

I'm always more likely to respond to a post that is well written, and when people have established a reputation of being respectful, I'm far more likely to show them respect as well, even when they don't agree.

If BruceD says "I have to disagree with Kreisler, the 3rd concerto is every bit as well-constructed as the 2nd. The texture is dense, and the structural details are perhaps not as obvious, but they are there nonetheless," then I would be tempted to get the score and recording and give the work a 2nd chance with an open mind.

But if *crzyPIANOnerd* says "ur an idiot, rach 3 is awesome. ur probably just mad that ur not good enuf to play it," then I'd be tempted to stop reading the thread altogether and ignore *crzyPIANOnerd*'s future postings.

Finally, there's really no such thing as "who we really are." As Oscar Wilde wrote, "to hide the artist is art's aim," and there's some truth to that. We all construct images of ourselves for the world to see. Whether it's how we dress, how we act, how we play, how we speak, or how we write, the only thing people have to judge us by is what we give them. This is why I believe the arts exist - it's a means of communication and a medium of self-exploration. It is never the whole truth, but it does give us a unique and interesting glimpse. (And yes, for all you philosophy fans out there, I basically stole all that from Schopenhauer, but I happen to agree with him.)


Fair enough. From now on, I will be entirely proper and not use any ridiculous amount of short language, as it has been proven to be utterly unacceptable.

I feel so incredibly ashamed of typing "rach" instead of "Rachmaninov" or "Rachmaninoff" - although the latter seems to be the spelling Rachmaninoff preferred and used during his stay in the United States. I am deeply sorry! I think I will retreat to my score study, cooking and jazz listening and feel the remorse seeping through my veins.
_________________________

'I want to invest my emotions only in music; it will never disappoint me or hurt me - it is a safe place to be.'

Top
#1467332 - 07/03/10 12:27 AM Re: Rach and his 2nd sonata [Re: Pogorelich.]
Emanuel Ravelli Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 10/15/04
Posts: 687
Loc: Virginia
I hate to jump into the middle of this food fight, but I have something to offer on the original topic that will make everybody a little unhappy. Like Angelina, I love Rachmaninoff's music; he's been my favorite composer since I was a kid and I guess he always will be. As for the 2nd sonata, I have the same perspective Billy Martin did in the Miller Lite commercials of the previous generation: "I feel very strongly both ways."

The first movement is well structured and has some interesting chordal writing. I didn't care for it early on, but it has grown on me over the years and I find something new to like in it every time I listen to it (especially the Horowitz and Cliburn recordings).

The second movement is pure heaven. I prefer the revised version to the original, but there are things to like in both. The harmonic modulations on the first page are wondrous, totally unexpected, and the chorale-like section at the top of the second page, with its modulations from G major on through to D major, is the most gorgeous music written in the early 20th century for my money. I fell off the train with this piece because I could never work out a way to play the 3rd page without my hands getting in the way of each other. If Angelina or anyone else who's played that page successfully has any technical suggestions for a good approach, I'd be glad to give them a try.

The third movement, I'm afraid, is just so much virtuosic mush to my ear. As much as I've loved the rest of the sonata, I've tried to find a way to open my mind about the finale and it just isn't working. Helpful suggestions welcome here too.

I haven't posted much in the last several months because of other heavy demands on my time. It's always a pleasure to get back in touch with so many who care so much about music. It's also depressing to see how regularly some of us resort to ad hominem attacks when a little bit of logical persuasion would make it much easier for others to accept or respond to differing views. I, for one, am tired of food fights.
_________________________
Phil Bjorlo

Top
#1467333 - 07/03/10 12:28 AM Re: Rach and his 2nd sonata [Re: Pogorelich.]
bplary1300 Offline
Full Member

Registered: 05/03/08
Posts: 353
Loc: Maine
I'm still gonna type Rach and Tchaik...
_________________________


Top
#1467345 - 07/03/10 12:54 AM Re: Rach and his 2nd sonata [Re: Pogorelich.]
argerichfan Offline
8000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/15/06
Posts: 8890
Loc: Pacific Northwest, US.
Originally Posted By: AngelinaPogorelich

Fair enough. From now on, I will be entirely proper and not use any ridiculous amount of short language, as it has been proven to be utterly unacceptable.

That seems an excessive mea culpa. I've always enjoyed your posts here exactly as you write them. Never any confusion as to what you mean, but more than that, you're always just 'yourself'.

I like your spunk and your point of view. A wonderful and exciting personality comes through in your posts, and you can cook for me anytime. I'm a rather good cook myself. wink
_________________________
Jason

Top
#1467358 - 07/03/10 01:25 AM Re: Rach and his 2nd sonata [Re: argerichfan]
MikeN Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 02/18/10
Posts: 579
Loc: Ohio
Alright it seems we've gotten through one of the most pointless arguments since the classic,"What's the hardest piece in the world", question.

Top
#1467376 - 07/03/10 02:14 AM Re: Rach and his 2nd sonata [Re: MikeN]
argerichfan Offline
8000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/15/06
Posts: 8890
Loc: Pacific Northwest, US.
Originally Posted By: MikeN
Alright it seems we've gotten through one of the most pointless arguments since the classic,"What's the hardest piece in the world", question.

Low signal to noise ratio, endemic to any active board. At least there was mention of Rachmaninov's Vespers, and I hope by that example others may be encouraged to check it out.

Otherwise, what do I care how Rachmaninov is abbreviated? With due respect to those who objected, I never gave it any thought, and frankly I was mystified about the fuss. There are more important things to worry about.

And of course some threads just aren't worth the trouble in the first place. Currently there's a very active one 'Music and Spirituality', but it's basically a quagmire. It's not going to change anybody's opinion.
_________________________
Jason

Top
#1467403 - 07/03/10 03:55 AM Re: Rach and his 2nd sonata [Re: Kreisler]
beet31425 Online   content
3000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/12/09
Posts: 3796
Loc: Bay Area, CA
Originally Posted By: Kreisler
I will believe, until the day I die, that Rachmaninoff's best work is found in Opp. 32 and 39.

Inspired by this suggestion, I've begun familiarizing myself with all the preludes, Op.23 and Op.32, of which I currently know half.

I've found a wonderful recording: Eldar Nebolsin on Naxos. Edge-of-your-seat exciting, and clear as a bell. Anyone know it?

I've forgotten how good old Roxy is. Like his compatriot Tchaiko, he's somehow simultaneously overplayed *and* underrated.

-Jason
_________________________
Beethoven: op.109, 110, 111

Top
#1467432 - 07/03/10 06:07 AM Re: Rach and his 2nd sonata [Re: beet31425]
babama Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 02/15/08
Posts: 800
Loc: Netherlands
this is my favorite at the moment


Top
#1467551 - 07/03/10 11:58 AM Re: Rach and his 2nd sonata [Re: Emanuel Ravelli]
Pogorelich. Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/28/08
Posts: 4528
Loc: in the past
Originally Posted By: Emanuel Ravelli
I fell off the train with this piece because I could never work out a way to play the 3rd page without my hands getting in the way of each other. If Angelina or anyone else who's played that page successfully has any technical suggestions for a good approach, I'd be glad to give them a try.



I think you just need to figure out the choreography of it all; which hand goes under or on top first, and memorize the patterns. For instance, the first cross-over has the thumb of the LH crossing right in between the thumb and second finger of the RH. Eventually you'll just get used to it..
_________________________

'I want to invest my emotions only in music; it will never disappoint me or hurt me - it is a safe place to be.'

Top
#1467626 - 07/03/10 01:58 PM Re: Rach and his 2nd sonata [Re: dolce sfogato]
Mostly Offline
Full Member

Registered: 05/14/10
Posts: 271
I 8 L2P R PS1

Edit : it's fine already, it's a forum. A small dose of abbreviating doesn't hurt anyone, and things such as Rach3 are popular on the interwebs. Regarding the family name respect, as long as you don't speak that way in real life, his grave will only be shaken, not stirred.


Edited by Mostly (07/03/10 02:01 PM)

Top
#1467781 - 07/03/10 09:08 PM Re: Rach and his 2nd sonata [Re: Emanuel Ravelli]
SlatterFan Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 08/13/09
Posts: 783
Loc: Brighton, UK
General note: I first heard the terms "Rach" and "Rach 3" from a college friend in 1989 (who I think had picked it up from his piano teacher), seven years before Shine came out in cinemas. We both admired Rachmaninoff, and no disrespect was intended. I think some understandable frustration with modern lazy speech patterns has missed its target in this case.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Originally Posted By: Emanuel Ravelli
The third movement, I'm afraid, is just so much virtuosic mush to my ear. As much as I've loved the rest of the sonata, I've tried to find a way to open my mind about the finale and it just isn't working. Helpful suggestions welcome here too.

Okay, here are my thoughts on the 3rd movement. Importantly, please turn to the original 1913 version of the sonata before continuing! Apart from the first two measures of the Allegro molto, where I like the revised version's chromatic tie-in with the theme of the 1st movement, I follow the original version. I don't like any of the later cuts.

Here is my analysis:

Three energetic ideas are introduced (unless one counts the opening downward run as a 4th, a varied form of the very opening of the sonata):
1) Staccato 1/8 note chords, often octaves with shifting inner notes in the RH.
2) Rising intervals from a 3rd to a 6th, from triplet off beat to on beat. First appeared in a different arrangement in bars 18-22 of the 1st movement.
3) Triplet figurations, chromatic and dynamic, anticipating Op.39 No.6. The chromatic descending triplets in the bass are linked to the opening flourish of the sonata and the primary theme of the 1st movement.

These ideas appear separately, then after another downward flourish are playfully juxtaposed. Then after a four measure bridge (the marcato chords) the opening sequence repeats, but instead of a flourish and playfulness, we have a new quirky rhythm (G minor section heralded by the D double octaves, similar to a passage near the end of Grieg's Ballade Op.24). No sooner than this is established, the opening theme slowly slinks down another quirky rhythm, even less certain or stable. Now the chromatic downward triplets mentioned in idea 3) above are heard with a melody of imploring rising 1/4 notes, which are going to be important later on. These subside in resignation into the second main theme...

This beautiful theme has passion and sounds as if it could build to something big when it repeats an octave higher, but it too subsides in resignation. The overall emotional impression is that of frisky energy and positivity, then tender passion, both of which have the potential to "succeed", to blossom, but at the moment a vital ingredient or spark is missing...

Reprise of the first group of ideas. However this time the frisky energy is repeatedly held back by subdued undulating 1/8 notes from the second romantic theme. After two attempts to spark energy, will it be third time lucky? Yes... but patience is a virtue...

The Meno mosso passage, so tragically cut from the revised 1931 version, enables the transformation. The rising intervals from idea 2) move thoughtfully and mysteriously, duplets this time instead of triplets, with a LH accompaniment highlighting the similarly between this passage and the original cadenza to the 1st movement of the 3rd concerto. The harmonies avoid a plain major or minor for a tantalizing amount of time, but very soon after a minor harmony emerges (E flat minor), bell-like sonorities are heard, descending 3rds from the 1st movement. It seems that the vital ingedient has been provided, because the bells organically flow into a passage where the rising intervals, instead of restlessly pulling around, are simple 3rds, gently descending by a tone each time, with great transparency and beauty, until they reach exactly the same pitch as bar 18 of the 1st movement: the first time the idea appeared.

Another reprise of the first group of ideas. This time the interruption takes the form of the imploring rising 1/4 notes mentioned earlier... but this time they speed up into 1/8 notes and turn into idea 1), the friskily energetic staccato 1/8 note chords. The idea associated with resignation and failure to bloom is itself now repeatedly being transformed into friskiness. This is a very positive sign!

The imploring asceding 1/4 notes briefly take hold again, but only to introduce the return the second theme, this time in the home key of B flat. It doesn't fizzle out this time, in fact, where the first appearance held back before repeating the melody an octave higher, in the same place this one accelerates into increasingly large and exciting octave leaps, which flow into the triumpant closing Presto.

I realize that some of my interpretation may seem fanciful, but the general concept of musical themes missing a vital ingredient and thus fizzling out, then receiving a spark and enabling a truly happy and confident ending, had already appeared clearly in large scale works such as Mahler's 5th Symphony. Part I: two contrasting responses to tragedy, funereal and furious, both trying to get somewhere but fizzling out. Part II: Scherzo with vital frisky contrapuntal energy. Part III: Outpouring of grief in the famous Adagietto, clearing the way for the contrapuntal energy to take its theme, speed it up, and give the symphony a joyous ending.
_________________________
Julian

Top
#1467859 - 07/04/10 12:00 AM Re: Rach and his 2nd sonata [Re: SlatterFan]
Kreisler Offline



Registered: 11/27/02
Posts: 13792
Loc: Iowa City, IA
Originally Posted By: SlatterFan
Here is my analysis:


Very nice!
_________________________
"If we continually try to force a child to do what he is afraid to do, he will become more timid, and will use his brains and energy, not to explore the unknown, but to find ways to avoid the pressures we put on him." (John Holt)

www.pianoped.com
www.youtube.com/user/UIPianoPed

Top
#1468107 - 07/04/10 12:09 PM Re: Rach and his 2nd sonata [Re: argerichfan]
FunkyLlama Offline
Full Member

Registered: 04/09/09
Posts: 359
Originally Posted By: argerichfan
Originally Posted By: AngelinaPogorelich

Fair enough. From now on, I will be entirely proper and not use any ridiculous amount of short language, as it has been proven to be utterly unacceptable.

That seems an excessive mea culpa. I've always enjoyed your posts here exactly as you write them. Never any confusion as to what you mean, but more than that, you're always just 'yourself'.

I like your spunk and your point of view. A wonderful and exciting personality comes through in your posts, and you can cook for me anytime. I'm a rather good cook myself. wink
I thought it was fairly clear that she was being ironic : /

Top
#1468114 - 07/04/10 12:30 PM Re: Rach and his 2nd sonata [Re: FunkyLlama]
Pogorelich. Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/28/08
Posts: 4528
Loc: in the past
Nooooo.. I am never ironic =) Or sarcastic? Pfft.

Julian: for your third note, I think that triplet chromatic figure happens in the very opening of the movement in the RH. So it's introduced way earlier..

There are a lot of elements in 3 that come from the 1st movement - like the rhythms from bar 9 (triplets) kind of remind of the build up in the 1st movement, but it's reversed. Btw does anyone else notice a strange similarity to La Valse here? Haha.. Also bar 20 is blatantly out of the first movement - the RH figures. All those chromatic figures remind me of the motif from the 1st mvt. It's pretty cool how in bars 39 and 40 the figure is back. And in the development that figure with the triplets is everywhere again. Also near the end, after the 2nd theme comes back (tempo rubato), the "a tempo" before the presto, it's a slowed down figure but I think still represents the one from the first movement (chords in the opening). And of course, the last bar, classic - the figure again, but this time the RH is stationary.

I love that piece..
_________________________

'I want to invest my emotions only in music; it will never disappoint me or hurt me - it is a safe place to be.'

Top
#1468223 - 07/04/10 03:36 PM Re: Rach and his 2nd sonata [Re: Pogorelich.]
SlatterFan Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 08/13/09
Posts: 783
Loc: Brighton, UK
I hadn't noticed those thematic links before, Angelina; thanks! It's a very "well-connected" work, and the more one looks, the more one finds unifying and organic features.

By the way, do you think Rachmaninoff knew Mendelssohn's Song without Words Op.30 No.2 in B flat minor, by any chance? grin

_________________________
Julian

Top
#1468248 - 07/04/10 04:32 PM Re: Rach and his 2nd sonata [Re: SlatterFan]
Pogorelich. Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/28/08
Posts: 4528
Loc: in the past
Oh my god.. Definitely worth the research. That's very strange!!
_________________________

'I want to invest my emotions only in music; it will never disappoint me or hurt me - it is a safe place to be.'

Top
#1468374 - 07/04/10 10:42 PM Re: Rach and his 2nd sonata [Re: dolce sfogato]
jdhampton924 Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/13/08
Posts: 1009
Loc: Evansville, Indiana
Commenting on the sonatas of Rachmaninoff,
I have ran into two kinds of people concerning Rachmaninoff as a composer. The ones who consider him to be the best composer of all time, and the ones who consider him to be one of the worst. It for the most part seems to be in these extremes. The people I know who love Rachmaninoff, tend to just want to play him.

I feel rather in the middle, some days i love him, other days I am blah. His sonatas are good though in my opinion, I have heard good performances of both on recordings. The first is a bit hard to swallow, I do not mean that in a bad way, It is a large, epic, and complicated work. Though prefer it to his second sonata.

Is there sonatas by other composers I would rather play? Well the answer is yes, I find some other sonatas of other romantic composers such as Brahms, Schumann, Mendelssohn, and Chopin to stimulate me more, but it does not change my opinion that the two sonatas from Rachmaninoff are good.

Top
#1468436 - 07/05/10 02:12 AM Re: Rach and his 2nd sonata [Re: FunkyLlama]
argerichfan Offline
8000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/15/06
Posts: 8890
Loc: Pacific Northwest, US.
Originally Posted By: FunkyLlama
I thought it was fairly clear that she was being ironic : /

One cannot be too careful. laugh
_________________________
Jason

Top
#1468439 - 07/05/10 02:17 AM Re: Rach and his 2nd sonata [Re: argerichfan]
jdhampton924 Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/13/08
Posts: 1009
Loc: Evansville, Indiana
Originally Posted By: argerichfan
Originally Posted By: FunkyLlama
I thought it was fairly clear that she was being ironic : /

One cannot be too careful. laugh


There is no fun in assuming ironic!

Top
Page 2 of 4 < 1 2 3 4 >

Moderator:  Brendan, Kreisler 
What's Hot!!
HOW TO POST PICTURES on the Piano Forums
-------------------
Sharing is Caring!
About the Buttons
-------------------
Forums Rules & Help
-------------------
ADVERTISE
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
-------------------
PIANO BOOKS
Interesting books about the piano, pianists, piano history, biographies, memoirs and more!
(ad) HAILUN Pianos
Hailun Pianos - Click for More
ad (Casio)
Celviano by Casio Rebate
Ad (Seiler/Knabe)
Seiler Pianos
Sheet Music
(PW is an affiliate)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
New Topics - Multiple Forums
How do you charge a fellow technician?
by chernobieff
09/30/14 06:28 PM
Question for the moderator...
by Emmery
09/30/14 05:57 PM
Rare Time Signatures
by caters
09/30/14 02:59 PM
has anyone tried the Focal alpha 50s or 65s for monitoring?
by dire tonic
09/30/14 11:54 AM
2015 Concerto Competition "Theodor Leschetizky" NY
by Piano World
09/30/14 11:49 AM
Who's Online
134 registered (accordeur, adrpiano, acortot, 33 invisible), 1532 Guests and 10 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
76383 Members
42 Forums
157896 Topics
2318942 Posts

Max Online: 15252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
(ads by Google)

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
|
Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |


copyright 1997 - 2014 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission