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[...] If vindicated, I can only hope that FunkyLlama's experience of listening to Pletnev recordings improves as quickly as it deteriorated;[...] On both intellectual and emotional levels, I don't quite see how an artist's private-life-made-public influences my opinion of his recordings. Why, because of his alleged activities - as yet not fully substantiated - should the recording I admired last week now be abhorrent or unlistenable to me? It's still the same recording, and I still like it for the same reasons I liked it last week. Regards, Well, it doesn't influence my opinion of his recordings - I still consider them as good as ever. Regardless, on a subjective level it makes them quite unpleasant to listen to. Silly, perhaps.
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Regardless, on a subjective level it makes them quite unpleasant to listen to. Silly, perhaps. Very.
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[...] Well, it doesn't influence my opinion of his recordings - I still consider them as good as ever. Regardless, on a subjective level it makes them quite unpleasant to listen to. Silly, perhaps. No, I wouldn't say it was "silly," at all. It's just that we have different perceptions of the relationship between the artist and his art. It might, in the minds of some, be considered equally "silly" of me not to now have some negative feelings towards Pletnev's recordings. Where intellect and emotion meet over a work of art, I think we have to try to respect each others' reactions. Regards,
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Hey, you know what, tonight instead of spending the night with my boyfriend, I'm going to head to a bar and chat up some girls. If I'm lucky enough, maybe one of them will come home with me! Now the thread's back on track!
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While we all are entitled to our own opinions and may agree/disagree in order to defend against certain posts, it is surprising to see someone "attack" another member with such a childish, low comment. While this discussion regarding homosexuality in a thread about Pletnev's suspected pedophilia was pretty out of hand, it is unfortunate to see name-calling such as this. Please stop with the troll name calling as well. It is ridiculously childish and unfair to the presumed "troll". I'm sure Mattardo was not trying to troll on purpose but simply trying to offer his opinion on a very touchy subject (that should not have been brought up in the first place). One should not bash someone just because his or her opinion differs from yours, especially since Mattardo wasn't too rude about it.
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WHAT AN AWESOME THREAD!!!!!!!!!!
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Hmmm... The mods seemed to be OK with it. But you're right. Let's all behave ourselves and have some good clean fun!
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I just listened to Pletnev's suite from Cinderella with Martha Argerich. Can't say I felt any different about Pletnev- it's a wonderful CD and fully deserved its honours.
With Pletnev's return to Russia this may all get swept under the carpet, so we may never know. Not excusing the damning circumstantial evidence of course, but so far that is all we have.
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I didn't notice any post addressing it, but the OP says "...Pletnev in trouble too"
Who else is in trouble?
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I didn't notice any post addressing it, but the OP says "...Pletnev in trouble too"
Who else is in trouble? I'd actually wondered the same thing when I first saw the thread yesterday, but just figured I must have missed something lol.
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I didn't notice any post addressing it, but the OP says "...Pletnev in trouble too" Who else is in trouble? I wondered also.
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I didn't notice any post addressing it, but the OP says "...Pletnev in trouble too" Who else is in trouble? I wondered also. Same here, though perhaps it was just odd wording from the OP.
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Maybe the OP didn't mean "...now he's in trouble too (along with X, Y, and Z)..." but, rather, Pletnev: first a pianist, then a conductor and now he's in trouble, too.
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I decided to change the topic to the above. I'm a little worried the thread will be closed if we keep wondering what the title means. Either that or Horowitzian will make another dramatic appearance.
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I didn't notice any post addressing it, but the OP says "...Pletnev in trouble too" Who else is in trouble? I wondered also. I had wondered too, but didn't want to admit it, as I thought I surely must have missed something. Now I have been relieved of my doubts anyway, as the OP has changed the subject of the thread (at least in his reply, and so have I)... These are the advantages of practicing... You come back after staying away from the net and practicing and questions have been answered for you...
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I decided to change the topic to the above. I'm a little worried the thread will be closed if we keep wondering what the title means. Either that or Horowitzian will make another dramatic appearance. You rang?
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He seemed a little confused and unsure of his surroundings. Karl Kraus sat alone in a cell, his blue, watery eyes following me as I entered the holding area of a Chiang Mai courthouse. Karl Kraus is 90 years old, hard of hearing, frail and, according to the police, a dangerous pedophile.
I'd wandered into the cells sure I would be rebuffed. Instead, the Second World War veteran seemed keen to talk to me. He explained how the allegations against him are motivated by greedy neighbors. He claimed they are trying to blackmail him. It's an argument he will make to judges in the coming weeks. Karl Kraus is thought to be the oldest person ever accused of child molestation in Thailand's over-burdened penal system.
Last year, 2,888 people were charged with having sex with children under 15 in Thailand. Thailand has become the destination of choice for sex tourists looking to prey on children. But now the police are raising their game...
"Money can change a lot...
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/07/05/thailand.pedophiles/?hpt=C1&fbid=p-KtDqVoKfiPedophilia from American and European sex tourists is a huge problem in Thailand, but so is shaking down rich(er) foreigners. Pletnev is not the first rich, prominent foreigner to be accused of pedophilia in Thailand, especially now under the current undemocratic and corrupt, chaotic regime. He would not be the first one to be guilty. He certainly would not be the first to be completely innocent and a victim of blackmail by locals or extortion by the local police either. Pletnev is a very successful international touring musician and a successful local business owner in Thailand. A perfect mark. Now Pletnev is in trouble too. Unfortunately, neither the US nor Thailand offer their citizens and residents who are accused of a crime meaningful privacy protection nor access to a fair and unbiased trial but instead allow them to be convicted in the press. Guilty until proven innocent is the rule. Not only in the press but also in the minds of too many pianists on pianoworld it would seem where even among artists hate apparently trumps reason and the notion that everyone deserves the presumption of innocence and benefit of doubt until their day in court when accused of any crime. Alas, in both the US and Thailand, justice is about money: those who are innocent (or even guilty) with money can buy their way out of trouble. Those without wind up in jail.
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Maybe the OP didn't mean "...now he's in trouble too (along with X, Y, and Z)..." but, rather, Pletnev: first a pianist, then a conductor and now he's in trouble, too.
Regards, I assumed he was talking about the Australian pianist who was similarly accused recently over the years? The one that has people making accounts every couple of months to practice apologetics for him. Not sure of the name.
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