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#1471751 - 07/10/10 03:20 PM Contact info for Keith Jarrett?
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After searching the web and not finding an official site or email address, I thought I'd post and see if anyone knows of a contact address. I'm probably too lazy to send something to a snail-mail address, so I think I'm really looking for an email address.
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#1471759 - 07/10/10 03:38 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: charleslang]
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Try ECM Records. They are his record label and post his touring info.

I doubt you'll get to e-mail him directly though. Good luck.

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#1471764 - 07/10/10 03:45 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: Wizard of Oz]
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Originally Posted By: Wizard of Oz
Try ECM Records. They are his record label and post his touring info.

I doubt you'll get to e-mail him directly though. Good luck.


Thanks. I found a general email address for ecm records and will try that: ecmrecords@ecmrecords.com
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#1472193 - 07/11/10 08:05 AM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: charleslang]
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hey Charles, why don't you ask him how much he usually charges to come to your house and give you a lesson?

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#1472423 - 07/11/10 04:52 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: davefrank]
charleslang Offline
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Originally Posted By: davefrank
hey Charles, why don't you ask him how much he usually charges to come to your house and give you a lesson?

Dave Frank


Hehe . . I actually sent him some pointers! smile smile


Edited by charleslang (07/11/10 05:43 PM)
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#1473115 - 07/12/10 07:34 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: charleslang]
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Just curious, what's your reason for contacting him?

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#1473136 - 07/12/10 08:26 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: Wizard of Oz]
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Who knows, maybe Keith J is cruising the music forums anonymously, under an alias so he won't get spammed or a ton of email from his fans. In fact, he may be lurking here already, at this moment, seeing what others are saying about him.

Another way to contact famous musicians is through their local musician's union directory. Sometimes the management who represents the artist has an email address that will forward messages to them in the book.

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#1473182 - 07/12/10 10:03 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: Wizard of Oz]
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Originally Posted By: Wizard of Oz
Just curious, what's your reason for contacting him?


I attended his concert this year in San Francisco (I wrote up my immediate impressions in a post here on the forums back then). Since then, I've listened to more of his work and they've underlined for me what of course everybody knows - that he is rarely not interrupted by coughing, and so he addresses this issue once or even multiple times in each concert.

I worked with an art professor in college who did research in what a 'public spectacle' (not meant pejoratively) is, and I also wrote on one or two topics in the philosophy of art. This background got me to thinking about why Jarrett is so unsuccessful getting his audiences to quiet down. (In San Francisco, he addressed it so many times that many people left.)

In addition to this, I've noticed that Jarrett says sometimes that if he himself can keep from coughing, so should the audience.

All these things sparked my suggestion to him, which is that his projects are shared artworks and that the reason the audience is not reciprocating is because they haven't been invited to join him. San Francisco was confrontational - members of the audience were calling Jarrett nasty names (very loudly and clearly), believe it or not.

Jarrett has said in some concerts that he draws from the audience, and this is familiar to any performer. And Jarrett is right that when you are creating, you tend to suppress coughs. The roadblock has perhaps been that the audience has not had a stake in the artwork.

Is this all just to say that Jarrett should be nicer when he asks people to be quiet? Maybe. It seems to me his usual method is to make his first request humorously, and then unfortunately to show annoyance to the crowd.

My art professor gave me a tour of the Colosseum in Rome, which was of special interest to him since the audience had so much power there. This - the power of the audience - was one of the things which his research associated with public spectacle. Here, the emperor had to curry the favor of the masses just as much as the gladiators did (and the Colosseum was a vehicle for both). One thing I took away from it was an unshakable respect for the audience.





Edited by charleslang (07/12/10 10:08 PM)
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#1473284 - 07/13/10 02:25 AM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: charleslang]
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You must have gone to this concert:

News

What was KJ's reaction to the audience verbally attacking him? He is known for his outbursts at times, but in that review it says he gave 4 encores.

Some of the comments after the article were from people attending the show. Sounds like both parties were at fault.


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#1473337 - 07/13/10 06:53 AM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: Wizard of Oz]
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Maybe it depends on his mood on the night. One of you recently posted a you-tube link of Danny Boy from Tokyo 2002, and at the end of the song, Keith actually bowed reverently to his audience to thank them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbesyPby7P8

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#1473368 - 07/13/10 08:25 AM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: custard apple]
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Or maybe it depends on where the audience is. Last time I saw Jarrett in London a year ago there was not a whisper from the crowd (although the way he milked the endless applause for encores drove me a bit nuts). He did not say a single word to the audience.
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#1473488 - 07/13/10 12:52 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: beeboss]
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Originally Posted By: beeboss
Or maybe it depends on where the audience is. Last time I saw Jarrett in London a year ago there was not a whisper from the crowd (although the way he milked the endless applause for encores drove me a bit nuts). He did not say a single word to the audience.


Jarrett actually mentioned this in the concert - he didn't mention London, but rather Japan. (Bizarre, the idea of not only showing annoyance, but explicitly criticizing the audience.)

Still, I don't know whether to agree with him or to be proud of my fellow Americans!
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#1473490 - 07/13/10 12:54 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: custard apple]
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Originally Posted By: custard apple
Maybe it depends on his mood on the night. One of you recently posted a you-tube link of Danny Boy from Tokyo 2002, and at the end of the song, Keith actually bowed reverently to his audience to thank them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbesyPby7P8


He bowed also in San Francisco - very deep, long bows. He also said 'thanks' after at least one of the longer applause times.
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#1473495 - 07/13/10 01:02 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: Wizard of Oz]
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Originally Posted By: Wizard of Oz
You must have gone to this concert:

News

What was KJ's reaction to the audience verbally attacking him? He is known for his outbursts at times, but in that review it says he gave 4 encores.

Some of the comments after the article were from people attending the show. Sounds like both parties were at fault.



Yes - that's the one! A great write-up, I think.

I wish I had a recording. I find I only appreciate his music fully after listening a few times.

His reaction to the verbal attacks was surprising. I expected an outburst, but he didn't reply at all. At one point he even said that he'd tried to learn since Umbria . . . (if so, it didn't bring him or us much benefit obviously).
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#1473506 - 07/13/10 01:18 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: charleslang]
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That was a good write-up indeed. I was especially intrigued by this passage from the review:

The oddest and perhaps most tragic thing is that Jarrett's tantrum came after a piece that has to rank as one of the most heartbreaking beautiful performances I've ever heard coaxed out of piano. Maintaining a rolling, expansive ostinato, Jarrett carefully sketched a fragile melody that seem to encompass all the heartbreak and joy of being alive, and especially the moments you can't quite tell the two apart.

Does anybody out there know if this particular portion of the concert made it onto YouTube or is otherwise available for listening? This description makes it sound sublime.
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#1473516 - 07/13/10 01:27 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: Monica K.]
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Originally Posted By: Monica K.

Does anybody out there know if this particular portion of the concert made it onto YouTube or is otherwise available for listening? This description makes it sound sublime.


I shouldn't think there is any chance of that, you would have to be pretty brave to try to video a Jarrett gig. Luckily he has recorded dozens of solo albums you can listen to, all of them sublime (imo)
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#1473532 - 07/13/10 01:46 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: beeboss]
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I could listen to the Koln Concert forever. smile
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#1473699 - 07/13/10 06:25 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: Monica K.]
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Just looking at the comments on that article, I agree somewhat with this one:

"What a disappointment! I stayed through the last encore, hoping that Keith would salvage the concert, but it did not work for me. It was a shallow and bitter performance, cut short and chopped up into little pieces. Keith should not do concerts in the US - stick to Japan where they don't cough."

I felt the concert never got off the ground. It was a collection of pieces, few of which were allowed to take off.

Finally, I'll add that if Keith Jarrett knows that his art will not work when people are coughing, why on earth did he not request that cough drops be available at all entrances? That's inexcusable to the point of unprofessional.
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#1473702 - 07/13/10 06:28 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: charleslang]
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the are huge vats of cough drops outside every entrance when he plays Carnegie Hall - ricolas.

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#1473713 - 07/13/10 06:58 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: davefrank]
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Here's a site with a lot of Keith Jarrett live concerts, all bootlegs. I'm sure they are all unauthorized, but I'm just the messenger:

http://keithjarrettlive.blogspot.com/

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#1473775 - 07/13/10 08:54 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: Wizard of Oz]
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If there are hundreds or thousands of people at a concert it's unrealistic to expect that no one will cough even if everyone tries very hard not to. I don't think I've ever heard a concert at Carnegie Hall during the winter when there was no coughing.

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#1473781 - 07/13/10 09:06 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: pianoloverus]
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Keith Jarrett says...



Shut up. I'm playing.
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#1473785 - 07/13/10 09:21 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: eweiss]
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Originally Posted By: eweiss
Keith Jarrett says...



Shut up. I'm playing.


Actually, he has a pretty well outfitted recording studio at home to play in quiet any time he wants.

And to think, I would've saved 25 bucks in gas, and had a free Friday night, too!
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#1473811 - 07/13/10 10:07 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: eweiss]
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Thankfully I have handy a box of rotten tomatoes!
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#1474317 - 07/14/10 05:01 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: Wizard of Oz]
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Originally Posted By: Wizard of Oz
Here's a site with a lot of Keith Jarrett live concerts, all bootlegs. I'm sure they are all unauthorized, but I'm just the messenger:

http://keithjarrettlive.blogspot.com/


Those ARE unauthorized. And by passing on the link here you are only facilitating theft.

Musicians rely on their music to live, and feed their families etc. and have a right not to have their music passed around for free at the whim of others. It's entirely unfair that some asshole (pardon my french) with a Zoom recorder and no respect for the rules of the game should decide which music by an artist gets distributed to the public.

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#1474336 - 07/14/10 05:32 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: AJF]
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Originally Posted By: AJF


Those ARE unauthorized. And by passing on the link here you are only facilitating theft.

Musicians rely on their music to live, and feed their families etc. and have a right not to have their music passed around for free at the whim of others. It's entirely unfair that some asshole (pardon my french) with a Zoom recorder and no respect for the rules of the game should decide which music by an artist gets distributed to the public.


Yes they are. The reality is that bootlegs and illegal distributing of music is VERY prevalent now. Doesn't make it right, but it's there. Some stat says over 80% of people have downloaded free music at least once.

I know of 10 or more sites that have 1000's of jazz albums for downloading.

And what about the many free streaming music sites like Rhapsody.com, or lastfm.com.

Some musicians permit their fans to record live shows, like the Grateful Dead. They still sold tons of albums. Most don't, but there's always going to be people who break the rules.

The digital era has changed the game completely. Just be glad you weren't living 100 years ago or back when NO musician ever got rich. Mozart died penniless as I recall.

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#1474340 - 07/14/10 05:33 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: AJF]
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Originally Posted By: AJF
Originally Posted By: Wizard of Oz
Here's a site with a lot of Keith Jarrett live concerts, all bootlegs. I'm sure they are all unauthorized, but I'm just the messenger:

http://keithjarrettlive.blogspot.com/


Those ARE unauthorized. And by passing on the link here you are only facilitating theft.

Musicians rely on their music to live, and feed their families etc. and have a right not to have their music passed around for free at the whim of others. It's entirely unfair that some asshole (pardon my french) with a Zoom recorder and no respect for the rules of the game should decide which music by an artist gets distributed to the public.



I think most in the music industry are moving beyond that simplified view. A lot of consumers either can't afford to buy all those records, or just won't buy them, and without 'bootlegs' they would just have a much smaller music collection, and appreciation. Having recordings available for free allows much wider appreciation of the material, and helps support a new generation of concertgoers.

I probably wouldn't have gone to Jarrett's concert in the first place if it weren't for free recordings on youtube which allowed me to become more familiar with his stuff. I had only heard the Koeln Concert once ages ago.

The same goes for classical recordings. You can set up playlists on youtube of just about any major classical pianist. The collection of CDs you would have to have for this would cost many thousands of dollars - out of reach for many.

Finally, it's not just their families they're feeding! Remember that recording technology took plain old entertainers and made them wealthy superstars. They buy big houses and luxury cars. But, it's OK to remember that they're still entertainers. If the revenue models begin to favor live entertainment over recordings, as used to be the case, I don't think it's entirely bad.

Realistically, some micro-payment system will be the best way to go. Of course there are the monthly flat-rate services. Personally I would prefer a service where I can listen to a song on a per-listen basis - a few cents per Keith Jarrett piece. Some months I do very little listening, others, more.
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#1474471 - 07/14/10 09:38 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: charleslang]
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This is very cool but not available in the US yet, but some of you out there can get it... Anyone out there want to get me a code? smile

http://www.spotify.com/int/new-user/


Also, interesting book (now a few years old) relevant to this discussion, I'm sure some of you know it....

http://www.futureofmusicbook.com/


And in response to this direct discussion, it is currently "illegal" but I believe the legality of bootlegging etc is old and has not caught up yet with reality. Plus, the guy's not making a profit on albums that are official releases. These are just bootlegged recordings that you can't buy anyway. It's not like he posted Kohln Concert for free download.
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#1475482 - 07/16/10 11:25 AM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: charleslang]
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Originally Posted By: charleslang
Originally Posted By: AJF
Originally Posted By: Wizard of Oz
Here's a site with a lot of Keith Jarrett live concerts, all bootlegs. I'm sure they are all unauthorized, but I'm just the messenger:

http://keithjarrettlive.blogspot.com/


Those ARE unauthorized. And by passing on the link here you are only facilitating theft.

Musicians rely on their music to live, and feed their families etc. and have a right not to have their music passed around for free at the whim of others. It's entirely unfair that some asshole (pardon my french) with a Zoom recorder and no respect for the rules of the game should decide which music by an artist gets distributed to the public.



I think most in the music industry are moving beyond that simplified view. A lot of consumers either can't afford to buy all those records, or just won't buy them, and without 'bootlegs' they would just have a much smaller music collection, and appreciation. Having recordings available for free allows much wider appreciation of the material, and helps support a new generation of concertgoers.

I probably wouldn't have gone to Jarrett's concert in the first place if it weren't for free recordings on youtube which allowed me to become more familiar with his stuff. I had only heard the Koeln Concert once ages ago.

The same goes for classical recordings. You can set up playlists on youtube of just about any major classical pianist. The collection of CDs you would have to have for this would cost many thousands of dollars - out of reach for many.

Finally, it's not just their families they're feeding! Remember that recording technology took plain old entertainers and made them wealthy superstars. They buy big houses and luxury cars. But, it's OK to remember that they're still entertainers. If the revenue models begin to favor live entertainment over recordings, as used to be the case, I don't think it's entirely bad.

Realistically, some micro-payment system will be the best way to go. Of course there are the monthly flat-rate services. Personally I would prefer a service where I can listen to a song on a per-listen basis - a few cents per Keith Jarrett piece. Some months I do very little listening, others, more.


What it boils down to for me is this: I am a professional musician. I make recordings. I spend LOTS of time and money(my own and others') to make these recordings. For people to then take this music and distribute it for free makes it an unprofitable endeavor for the artist. Yes, there are artists living in mansions but the vast majority are middle class citizens trying to make a living doing what they love.
My records are on itunes and other digital download sites. You can go there and sample a song and if you like it you can buy it (usually for 99 cents). But then why would I do that if i can get it for free somewhere else like limewire for instance?
The issue becomes a matter of individual choice based on personal education and personal morals.
Would you accept a Rolex from someone as a gift is you knew it was stolen? Would you buy a new MacBook Pro for $500 instead of $2000 because it was 'hot'?
I know I wouldn't. But I also know many people would.
It seems ironic that many of the greatest fans of an artist's music are also the most eager thieves of that artist's music.
I believe in paying for what I feel is valuable to me. Many people don't think of it in that way. And even worse is that many people just don't think about it at all. They just mindlessly jump on the bandwagon with an 'oh well, everyone does it' mentality.


Edited by AJF (07/16/10 11:26 AM)
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#1475494 - 07/16/10 11:44 AM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: AJF]
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Originally Posted By: AJF

What it boils down to for me is this: I am a professional musician.
My records are on itunes and other digital download sites. You can go there and sample a song and if you like it you can buy it (usually for 99 cents).


AJF-

I for one would love to hear some of your stuff, any chance you could provide a link to these samples ?

Thanks.
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#1475518 - 07/16/10 12:13 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: Dave Ferris]
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I don't think any of my teachers actually make any money from their CD sales, i wouldn't be surprised if they were breaking even or even losing money on them. I guess I would rather have them spend that money to see me play live or take lessons rather than listening to recordings at home. What bothers me more is the fact that there really aren't that many smaller venues out there where you can make a living playing 4-5 nights of week, which is what my teachers did back then.


I guess it's even tougher for modern jazz.. most people wouldn't even listen to it even if it's for free smile

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#1475527 - 07/16/10 12:26 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: etcetra]
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Originally Posted By: etcetra
What bothers me more is the fact that there really aren't that many smaller venues out there where you can make a living playing 4-5 nights of week, which is what my teachers did back then.

I guess it's even tougher for modern jazz.. most people wouldn't even listen to it even if it's for free smile


True but the situation is different in Europe from the US. In Berlin which has about 3m people there are more than five places with nightly live jazz with modern jazz in there.

In Sacramento with over 2m people there are zero.
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#1475615 - 07/16/10 02:53 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: davefrank]
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the are huge vats of cough drops outside every entrance when he plays Carnegie Hall - ricolas.

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After thinking about this a while, I just can't believe the lack of cough drops in San Francisco was an accident. It was managed by SFJazz, and Jarrett's antics are so well known that an organization with 'jazz' in its name would have to be in a cave not to know about them, and not to consider cough drops. Cough drops are available not only at Jarrett concerts; it's not a very unusual measure at other concerts.

I wonder whether they wanted to make a statement by not playing the 'diva' game. It would be in the character of San Francisco to do this.

One comment on the previously linked article sums up best the exceptional quality of this concert:

"[B]ecause of Jarrett's increasingly bizarre rants (mostly focused on audience coughing) there was a feeling of unease in the audience that put a damper on the entire evening. I have seen Keith many times, including 4 solo shows, but this was by far the most aberrant display in my concert going history. He was in a nutshell, completely off the hook. I understand and appreciate the man's singular artistry, but he also was responsible for bringing the negative vibe into play."

I wonder whether he came in already with a bad mood - who knows, maybe something about the concert arrangements even bothered him before it even began? Speculation, of course.

Maybe they were even trying to re-create the Koeln concert. Jarrett said in an interview that he was in awful shape and unhappy with the arrangements when that concert began! If so, it clearly didn't work.

One last thing I noticed, was that Jarrett said onstage that he hardly practices before these concerts. That was especially disappointing and seemed to me a gratuitous admission.
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#1475626 - 07/16/10 03:18 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: charleslang]
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One last thing I noticed, was that Jarrett said onstage that he hardly practices before these concerts. That was especially disappointing and seemed to me a gratuitous admission.



What can can you practice when you do a concert of free improvisation?
I don't think it is a 'gratuitous admission' by any stretch, he doesn't not practice because he is lazy you know. Rather because he believes that that is the best way to do a good gig.
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#1475634 - 07/16/10 03:36 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: beeboss]
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One last thing I noticed, was that Jarrett said onstage that he hardly practices before these concerts. That was especially disappointing and seemed to me a gratuitous admission.



What can can you practice when you do a concert of free improvisation?
I don't think it is a 'gratuitous admission' by any stretch, he doesn't not practice because he is lazy you know. Rather because he believes that that is the best way to do a good gig.


I should have said that he also said this in a certain way (including the exact context, which I admit I can't remember) that communicated that he didn't care about the concerts.

I doubt many would say free improvisation is not improved by practice. Mine is, without a doubt, anyway, while at the same time, I'm sure that at a certain level you can cut back a little. But Jarrett also uses portions from or at least references to other music in his improvisations, like from Bartok in one recording. When I listened to his improvised stuff from the '90s, I was amazed that it was more technically demanding than what he played for us in San Francisco.

He supposedly also suffers from chronic fatigue? Someone wrote that. That would be an explanation for lacking preparation.

Finally, one or two riffs we heard were simply rehashed from earlier stuff of his, and I recognized them from records. Preparation would presumably widen the tools available to him for improvisation.

I guess they'll say I should be happy to see a legend perform before he's dead. And maybe I am. But it doesn't make the concert good.
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#1475648 - 07/16/10 03:53 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: charleslang]
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Originally Posted By: etcetra
What bothers me more is the fact that there really aren't that many smaller venues out there where you can make a living playing 4-5 nights of week, which is what my teachers did back then.

I guess it's even tougher for modern jazz.. most people wouldn't even listen to it even if it's for free smile


True but the situation is different in Europe from the US. In Berlin which has about 3m people there are more than five places with nightly live jazz with modern jazz in there.

In Sacramento with over 2m people there are zero.



You don't have to look as far as Europe. Toronto has close to 10 clubs featuring jazz nightly. And then there's New York. I've played quite a bit in Europe (just got back from playing the North Sea Jazz fest in Rotterdam and it was amazing!) and there does seem to be more enthusiasm for jazz (even though their clubs are dropping like flies too, like in North America)
but the big difference I've noticed is that there is a MUCH higher caliber of jazz musician in North America then in Europe (my opinion of course, but I've heard this opinion from many others too). The best European jazz musicians are North American ex-patriots (with a small few exceptions).

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#1475731 - 07/16/10 06:34 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: AJF]
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but the big difference I've noticed is that there is a MUCH higher caliber of jazz musician in North America then in Europe (my opinion of course, but I've heard this opinion from many others too). The best European jazz musicians are North American ex-patriots (with a small few exceptions).


Hmm, interesting, I never knew that. I thought there was an explosion of good players especially from the Nordic countries. There was a write-up in the Vancouver jazz festival about the influx of European players.

I saw Tomasz Stanko and Tord Gustavsen live. And I can list a few great players off the top of my head, Bobo Stenson, E.S.T.

Perhaps overall the structure for learning jazz here is greater. You've got Berklee and a few colleges here in Canada which have specialized jazz programs.

I wonder how it's like in Europe.

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#1475917 - 07/17/10 01:43 AM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: Wizard of Oz]
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Well, most good players here are either from the US or spent some time studying in US too.

The teachers I was talking about are all from LA area. I think someone has said this before in the forum but you can't live and play jazz as if things were still like the 50's. Yes there are a lot of places to play in NY but there are tons of really good musicians who wait tables on the side to make ends meet too. There are places to play in LA to but most of them don't really pay well either. I think that's why a lot of good players are moving to places like China right now.

I really don't want to say anything definitive about caliber of European musicians until I go there and see it for myself..but I can say the same thing about musicians in Japan. People over there play really well, but they didn't really impress me like some of the guys I've heard in US. I've heard couple of "young lions" who are considered to be "genius" in japan but they really aren't in the same league of talent as someone like Aaron Parks or Chase Baird. When I was LA i felt like there were great players everywhere, and it didn't really feel that way about the scene japan even though they had a very big scene over there..

But then again,there are so many great players out there that nobody really knows about. We had discussion about Thomas Ruckert's version of "Like someone in love" earlier. He plays incredibly well and I think he lives in Germany.

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#1475975 - 07/17/10 06:06 AM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: etcetra]
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I really don't want to say anything definitive about caliber of European musicians until I go there and see it for myself..



You don't have to come to Europe to check out John Taylor, Bobo Stenson, Martial Solal, Django Bates, Stefano Bollani, Enrico Pieranunzi, Michel Petrucciani, Esbjorn Svensson etc.

And there are some really frightening young players coming up at the moment.

Of course in general the standard is probably better in the states, the standard of baseball players is better as well for the same reasons.
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#1475996 - 07/17/10 08:23 AM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: beeboss]
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beeboss,

Yea, well, if you are going to use sports as example, you see how many of the best players in MLB and NBA are not from US.. I do agree that NY and N. America probably have higher concentration of amazing players, but I don't think they "dominate" like they used to. Baptiste Trotignon, Bojan Z, Tony Tixier, Marcin Wasilewski are all amazing players. But I admit don't really enjoy listening to top Japanese players.. I don't even like Hiromi or Makoto Ozone, I find the other players I mentioned above much more interesting musically.. but that's just my opinon. I think Kei Akagi is one of the few japanese player I actually enjoy listening to.


It reminds me, one of my teacher used to be really proud of the fact that he was from NY, and he talked about how the 1st trumpet in LA won't even make 3rd trumpet on NY big bands. He's been in LA for like 5 years now and his opinion changed quite a bit. He realized just how good the players were after he got to know the scene a little better.

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#1476004 - 07/17/10 09:08 AM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: etcetra]
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Etcetra,

I guess I don't think that nationality is really important. Great musicians can come from anywhere. Why should it matter if Tigran Hamasyan is from Europe or Kenny Wheeler is originally from Canada?

I am with you on Hiromi, her music doesn't do it for me. I do like Masabumi Kikuchi though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88WQjom_jFU&feature=related

and thanks for putting me onto Kei Akagi, from the few clips I heard he sounds like an interesting player.
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#1476027 - 07/17/10 10:32 AM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: beeboss]
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Esbjörn Svensson actually died last year in a tragic scuba diving accident in Stockholm. A great loss to the jazz world frown
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#1476078 - 07/17/10 12:09 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: Jennifer Eklund]
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beeboss

Kei Akagi used to play with Miles&Kenny Garrett back in the days, he is great player and I think he lives in California right now. Toshiko Akiyoshi is known for her big band stuff but she is a great piano player too.

I really don't think nationality/race has anything to do with how you play either, but I do think your cultural background does have an influence somewhat. For me Hiromi exemplifies what I don't like about Japanese jazz musicians..they have great chops but musically it doesn't move me. That is not to say all Japanese musician play that way, but I've been there and I understand why such stereotype exist.

It's also one thing that I kind of struggle with here. There are a lot of very well respected players here in Asia, but when I listen to them, I definitely hear the difference between the "real thing" , I definitely hear a difference in quality.. maybe not so much technically, but musically/creativity wise.

btw sorry for hijkacing the thread.. maybe i should start a new thread?

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#1476081 - 07/17/10 12:14 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: beeboss]
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Etcetra,

I guess I don't think that nationality is really important. Great musicians can come from anywhere. Why should it matter if Tigran Hamasyan is from Europe or Kenny Wheeler is originally from Canada?

I am with you on Hiromi, her music doesn't do it for me. I do like Masabumi Kikuchi though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88WQjom_jFU&feature=related

and thanks for putting me onto Kei Akagi, from the few clips I heard he sounds like an interesting player.



I love Masabumi Kikuchi. I bought an album a number of years ago where he plays Kurt Weil tunes with (i think) Gary Peacock and Paul Motian and listened to it many times. There are certainly great players everywhere. I guess the point I was originally making (just for my own clarification) is that in North America there are many many players who are pretty close to the very top players in Europe--maybe even as good but without the press. These are just the local 'working' musicians who aren't winning Downbeat polls.

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#1476101 - 07/17/10 01:02 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: AJF]
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You don't have to come to Europe to check out John Taylor, Bobo Stenson, Martial Solal, Django Bates, Stefano Bollani, Enrico Pieranunzi, Michel Petrucciani...


No, it will not do any good to go anywhere to check out Michel these days.

(I met him a few times. He even came over to my house once.)
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#1476121 - 07/17/10 01:53 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: BDB]
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#1476128 - 07/17/10 02:08 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: BDB]
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No, it will not do any good to go anywhere to check out Michel these days.


He still lives on in our hearts, and you can still check him out on cyberspace and vinyl wherever you live ;-)

It must have been great to meet him, lucky you. I did see him play quite a few times back in the late 80's early 90's.
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#1476284 - 07/17/10 08:53 PM Re: Contact info for Keith Jarrett? [Re: beeboss]
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I like this video about him. Such amazing locations and interesting personal story:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzDS42wyHGw
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