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#1470145 - 07/07/10 09:14 PM Re: Oh fudge, now Mikhail Pletnev in trouble too [Re: Elissa Milne]
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Sad to say, the reputation we have is out there - most people assume pianists are gay and effeminate (after all - playing the piano is not football!), limp-wristed or long-haired-type.
The first thing I hear out of most men's mouths is "Oh, like Liberace (snicker)" or "Oh, like Elton John (snicker)" or various forms of mispronouncing 'pianist' to predictably humorless results. Sometimes, I just skip that part and say "I'm a piano player" - which still leads to the inevitable mispronounciation of 'pianist' anyways.

It's just a fact of being a pianist - it no longer has the Franz Liszt appeal.
Of course, it's a little different with women - most women I talk to adore the fact that I'm a pianist. I guess it's the classic tradeoff: men think pianists are homosexuals, women think pianists are passionate, loving, border-line homosexuals.

And while some people yearn to live in a politically correct world where everyone is nice to each other no matter how they choose to live their life - some of us are still offended by the association of pianist with homosexual, for our own personal reasons, no matter how politically incorrect they may be. And there's nothing wrong with not wanting to be associated in that way - not all of us want to be trendy and appear to follow Bernstein's advice on how to be successful on Broadway.

As for Pletnev and his pedophilia - I'm sure Thailand is a wonderful place to live, beautiful scenery, and all that jazz. But doesn't the report say he owns a home there? Now I may be accused of stereotyping as well, but when a non-Thai spends a lot of time there and owns a home, there's usually only several things that are attracting him to that place - and one of those is possibly little slave boys. Of course, it could be little slave girls, too.

So it doesn't surprise me one bit if this turns out to be true. Of course, he's going to claim he's innocent. Who in their right mind would come out of the pedophile-closet? That's a one-way ticket to prison, and then being murdered while incarcerated: that appears to be one thing hardened criminals do not tolerate in their midst, unless that's another urban myth....
Even Japan is starting to crack down on their pedophile problems, or are at least trying to appear to be doing so.

Anyways, in the end - I'm just glad that he's not more well known, I suppose. It's always worse when the general public are familiar with a celebrity.

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#1470153 - 07/07/10 09:26 PM Re: Oh fudge, now Mikhail Pletnev in trouble too [Re: Mattardo]
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One of the issues this incident bring up is the field's apparent tolerance towards these immoral ethics. Like what some posters have pointed out, there were dodgy dealings, but no one want to come forward and expose these incidents. I am in the field and I am aware there are such things among the circles, but no one seems want to to whistle blow because no one wants to be the evil one who sabotage the career of other pianists hence affecting your standings in the music circle.
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#1470154 - 07/07/10 09:29 PM Re: Oh fudge, now Mikhail Pletnev in trouble too [Re: Elissa Milne]
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Originally Posted By: Elissa Milne
I'm aware of LOADS of dodgy dealings (inappropriate sexual advances from much older teacher to underage or barely legal age students) in the music education business...


Before she retired, my mother supervised child abuse and neglect cases for a county of about 250,000 people. When I asked her if music teachers were high on the list of offenders, she said the problem isn't really with music teachers, it's with adults who have access and trust.

This is why the vast majority of children are abused by people they know. Music teachers are certainly on the list, as are family members, neighbors, and church officials (and not just Catholic priests - living in the Bible Belt of the US, my mother saw a lot more cases involving Youth Ministers.) One youth minister where I used to live was even arrested after his computer AT WORK was found to contain a large amount of child pornography.

This is also one of the reasons I have an extremely open door policy in my studio. I teach on the ground floor of my house, windows open and easily visible from the front yard, and my door is unlocked during teaching hours. All my students' parents know they are welcome to walk in at any time, unannounced, and observe lessons.
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#1470161 - 07/07/10 09:40 PM Re: Oh fudge, now Mikhail Pletnev in trouble too [Re: Kreisler]
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One of the issues this incident bring up is the field's apparent tolerance towards these immoral ethics.


Just how do you know this? It certainly isn't part of my personal experience of the field, or of my observations in general.
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#1470168 - 07/07/10 09:52 PM Re: Oh fudge, now Mikhail Pletnev in trouble too [Re: Piano*Dad]
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I know of at least two local pianists who exhibited pedophile activities and the music teachers here know about these. Both pianists are highly regarded and so far no one has volunteered to come forward to expose them.
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#1470169 - 07/07/10 09:54 PM Re: Oh fudge, now Mikhail Pletnev in trouble too [Re: CWPiano]
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Therefore 'the field' condones this sort of behavior? You can really draw this generalization? Wow.
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#1470175 - 07/07/10 10:03 PM Re: Oh fudge, now Mikhail Pletnev in trouble too [Re: Piano*Dad]
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I do believe all of us believe pedophilia is extremely wrong. I never say the field does not 'condone' this behaviour. We all are disgusted and abhor it. But the fact that these pianists remain in business despite other pianists knowing about their 'tastes'. It's just that everyone here goes on their own business. The attitude here is kind of 'You mind your own business and I mind my own business' and everybody lives happily ever after.
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#1470194 - 07/07/10 10:27 PM Re: Oh fudge, now Mikhail Pletnev in trouble too [Re: Mattardo]
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Originally Posted By: Mattardo
Sad to say, the reputation we have is out there - most people assume pianists are gay and effeminate (after all - playing the piano is not football!), limp-wristed or long-haired-type.

I got this attitude at school (pre-uni of course) when classmates saw me play the piano. But at 12 I discovered Beethoven in a BIG way, then later Liszt and Wagner. I could not imagine three more masculine sounding composers, yet what a load of crap I dealt with. (Classical music is for sissys? Really now.) There's nothing 'effeminate' about their powerfully charged music.

Then when I discovered Elgar at 20, here was a composer who spoke so boldly and profoundly to me. The forces of that 'yin and yang' were so powerfully contrasted, yet ultimately so superbly fused, it demonstrated to me what masculinity is all about.

It was a very revealing experience for me.
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#1470200 - 07/07/10 10:36 PM Re: Oh fudge, now Mikhail Pletnev in trouble too [Re: Piano*Dad]
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Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
Therefore 'the field' condones this sort of behavior? You can really draw this generalization? Wow.
Agreed. It was an absurd comment to make based on such a tiny sample.

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#1470201 - 07/07/10 10:36 PM Re: Oh fudge, now Mikhail Pletnev in trouble too [Re: theJourney]
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Great discussion here.
I don't have anything to add, probably in part because I'm uncomfortable with the subject, including because we don't really know yet what happened or didn't. As Hank Drake said, sadly he's scarred forever either way. I hope Pletnev didn't do it, but the bigger thing is, there's a lot of this that does goes on.

Excellent posts all around. Too bad it has to be on such a subject.
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#1470220 - 07/07/10 11:21 PM Re: Oh fudge, now Mikhail Pletnev in trouble too [Re: Mark_C]
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This was a concerning part of the story in the Huffington Post:

Pletnev denied rumors that he would flee Thailand. He is under a court order to remain in the country.

"I would jump from the 26th floor (of a building) tomorrow, if I could believe those news reports. It's interesting to learn something new about myself every day," he said.

I surely hope that someone is keeping an eye on him. People caught in such situations can become desperate. As others have said, either way his career and life will not be the same.

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#1470254 - 07/08/10 01:19 AM Re: Oh fudge, now Mikhail Pletnev in trouble too [Re: sophial]
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I'm just SO excited to read that Kreisler is playing video games! YAY! laugh

Actually there is a light rumor in Greece about pianists being gay and all that, but being married with two children counters that pretty well. Also NOT being a pianist helps! laugh

Another saying by Hatjidakis was that "musicians in Greece are either communists or gay. I'm not communist!". It does seem that this kind of thing (bad pianists, gay, etc), goes around in various variations.

On the Pletnev issue: It's hard to say really. There's tons of questions to be answered really. And to be perfectly fair, I've seen some 14-15 year old in London SO grown up that anyone could be fooled to think they are 17.

And yes, from my part, Thai is considered a sex dealings destination. But, sadly, his career will be shaken by this, no matter what. And of course it could be assumed that this is the result of a blackmail going wrong (Pletnev didn't give in, so they damanged him in this way).

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#1470263 - 07/08/10 01:39 AM Re: Oh fudge, now Mikhail Pletnev in trouble too [Re: Nikolas]
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Of course the question has to be asked does hot housing a child encourage aberrant social behaviour somewhat à la Michael Jackson? Does separation from their peers at a very sensitive time in their development have later consequences? I'm also thinking Beethoven here.
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#1470265 - 07/08/10 01:41 AM Re: Oh fudge, now Mikhail Pletnev in trouble too [Re: keyboardklutz]
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Of course the question has to be asked does hot housing a child encourage aberrant social behaviour somewhat a la Michael Jackson? Does separation from their peers at a very sensitive time in their development have later consequences? I'm also thinking Beethoven here.
I think that's probably the case - it stands to reason that a child will be less likely to deviate from social norms when they're in an environment in which they're rigidly enforced.

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#1470267 - 07/08/10 01:42 AM Re: Oh fudge, now Mikhail Pletnev in trouble too [Re: FunkyLlama]
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Originally Posted By: FunkyLlama
I think that's probably the case - it stands to reason that a child will be less likely to deviate from social norms when they're in an environment in which they're rigidly enforced.
And children do nothing if not rigidly enforce their norms!
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#1470272 - 07/08/10 01:53 AM Re: Oh fudge, now Mikhail Pletnev in trouble too [Re: keyboardklutz]
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This is my philosophy. If anyone thinks I'm gay because I play the piano, I don't want to associate with them anyways so it doesn't matter what they think.
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#1470283 - 07/08/10 02:21 AM Re: Oh fudge, now Mikhail Pletnev in trouble too [Re: keyboardklutz]
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Originally Posted By: keyboardklutz
Of course the question has to be asked does hot housing a child encourage aberrant social behaviour somewhat à la Michael Jackson? Does separation from their peers at a very sensitive time in their development have later consequences? I'm also thinking Beethoven here.


Outrageously talented people often "hothouse" themselves without any help from the world, and often don't have much interest in being "normal". Frankly, I'm glad Beethoven was Beethoven. I realize it is selfish of me not to wish he were just another well-adjusted mensch, but that's just how I am.

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#1470288 - 07/08/10 02:43 AM Re: Oh fudge, now Mikhail Pletnev in trouble too [Re: sophial]
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Originally Posted By: sophial
I just saw this news about Pletnev-- it's very sickening if true and upsetting as he is a great artist. His CD of Scarlatti sonatas is one of my favorites and just sublime. It is always so difficult to reconcile artistry of that level with sordid news like this.(Haven't similar rumors and concerns been raised about Schubert even?) I'm hoping it is somehow proved wrong but often by the time people are apprehended in situations like this there is a trail of repeated acts and evidence. Someone mentioned in a previous post similar allegations surfacing in Japan. I hope there is a credible other side to this story.

Sophia

Schubert was suspected of being a pedophile? I have never heard this before.

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#1470293 - 07/08/10 03:07 AM Re: Oh fudge, now Mikhail Pletnev in trouble too [Re: Ferdinand]
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For some people anything that is not "married in the missionary position with the lights out" is all the same kind of undifferentiated sexual depravity. They are also usually the ones who are most interested in the rumors of others' as well.

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It will probably never be proven whether Schubert was straight or bent: that kind of evidence is not often forthcoming. We owe a debt to Maynard Solomon, however: along with the unwitting help of Dr. Steblin’s research on Schubert’s unfulfilled relations with women, he has conclusively demonstrated that the composer was a man of ebullient and powerful sexuality living in a society in which his nature had to be repressed. It is interesting that all treatments of Schubert’s sexuality have been forced into trying to decipher a code: it suggests there was something to hide. We have learned a great deal from the controversy. But, as I implied in my review, determining simply whether Schubert was homosexual or not would not tell us anything really important about his personality. So long as we are ignorant of crucial details, like whether Schubert was passive or aggressive, preferred immediate satisfaction or extended foreplay, I do not care if he slept with men, women, or horses.


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#1470312 - 07/08/10 04:36 AM Re: Oh fudge, now Mikhail Pletnev in trouble too [Re: CWPiano]
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Originally Posted By: CWPiano
One of the issues this incident bring up is the field's apparent tolerance towards these immoral ethics. Like what some posters have pointed out, there were dodgy dealings, but no one want to come forward and expose these incidents. I am in the field and I am aware there are such things among the circles, but no one seems want to to whistle blow because no one wants to be the evil one who sabotage the career of other pianists hence affecting your standings in the music circle.


So, accordingly, being that you're "in the field" you're guilty of condoning this type of behavior, yes?
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#1470326 - 07/08/10 06:02 AM Re: Oh fudge, now Mikhail Pletnev in trouble too [Re: stores]
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I think there is a difference between condoning behaviour and enabling behaviour. Whenever any one of us presumes that the alleged victim/whistleblower is a troublemaker who is curtailing a brilliant career through their (almost certainly wrong) allegations we enable this bad behaviour.

The power relationship is so one-sided that it is almost unthinkable for a pupil to expose the inappropriate behaviour or advances of their teacher, particularly if the pupil sees this undesirable situation as the price you pay to make it to the top. And this is, time and time again, the way students who have been the target of the sexual attentions of their teachers see it - an unwelcome byproduct of their pursuit of brilliance......

I'm completely OK with rigidly enforcing the social norm that teachers do not attempt a sexual interaction with their students, and I'm vociferously OK with rigidly enforcing the social norm that adults do not engage in sexual interaction with children and underage teenagers.

At the very least, it's a bad look for someone in middle age to find themselves in Thailand having sex with a 17 year old.
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#1470370 - 07/08/10 09:07 AM Re: Oh fudge, now Mikhail Pletnev in trouble too [Re: FunkyLlama]
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Originally Posted By: FunkyLlama
I think that's probably the case - it stands to reason that a child will be less likely to deviate from social norms when they're in an environment in which they're rigidly enforced.


But anyone who becomes a priest or minister is likely to have been brought up in an environment in which social norms were rigidly enforced.

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#1470383 - 07/08/10 09:29 AM Re: Oh fudge, now Mikhail Pletnev in trouble too [Re: moscheles001]
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#1470387 - 07/08/10 09:38 AM Re: Oh fudge, now Mikhail Pletnev in trouble too [Re: Nikolas]
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Originally Posted By: Nikolas
.....being married with two children counters that pretty well....

Not really.

Don't mean about you or anyone in particular, just in general.

And if what you mean is that it "works" in Greece, we take your word for it.
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#1470463 - 07/08/10 12:15 PM Re: Oh fudge, now Mikhail Pletnev in trouble too [Re: stores]
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Originally Posted By: CWPiano
One of the issues this incident bring up is the field's apparent tolerance towards these immoral ethics. Like what some posters have pointed out, there were dodgy dealings, but no one want to come forward and expose these incidents. I am in the field and I am aware there are such things among the circles, but no one seems want to to whistle blow because no one wants to be the evil one who sabotage the career of other pianists hence affecting your standings in the music circle.


So, accordingly, being that you're "in the field" you're guilty of condoning this type of behavior, yes?


As much as I am sickened by this type of behaviour, it is not that simple to bring these teachers to justice. First you need to find willing victims who will come out of the closet and testify. Even if I whistle blow, I will not have the financial capability to fight a prolonged civil suit that will result from this. The only hope is for them to be caught in the act, like what happens to Pletnev now.
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#1470477 - 07/08/10 12:35 PM Re: Oh fudge, now Mikhail Pletnev in trouble too [Re: CWPiano]
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I am not surprised. If you are in the field, you would have realised many male pianists are homosexuals and some have 'peculiar taste'. In general we just turn a blind eye to this, although personally I am not very sure if it is a moral thing to do.
Seriously? What an ignorant statement you just made. Being gay has nothing to do with paedophilia.
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#1470481 - 07/08/10 12:39 PM Re: Oh fudge, now Mikhail Pletnev in trouble too [Re: cfwpiano]
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Originally Posted By: CWPiano
I am not surprised. If you are in the field, you would have realised many male pianists are homosexuals and some have 'peculiar taste'. In general we just turn a blind eye to this, although personally I am not very sure if it is a moral thing to do.
Seriously? What an ignorant statement you just made. Being gay has nothing to do with paedophilia.


I am not implying that gays are paedophiles. I am okay with homosexuality, but not paedophilia. I am just illustrating that this profession has quite a high proportion of people with alternative sexual preferences, at least in the city where I stay, not sure about other places though.
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#1470483 - 07/08/10 12:45 PM Re: Oh fudge, now Mikhail Pletnev in trouble too [Re: cfwpiano]
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I think it's a sign of progress in Thailand that these charges are being brought into the open. But I frankly doubt they would have been if the alleged perpetrator wasn't 1) famous; 2) foreign; 3) possessing of deep pockets.

Even in a "progressive" society like the United States, such charges are often swept under the rug.

And yes, most Western societies recognize that there is a vast difference between homosexuality and pedophilia. But in other societies, pedophilia is quietly tolerated while homosexuality will get you beheaded.
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#1470487 - 07/08/10 12:48 PM Re: Oh fudge, now Mikhail Pletnev in trouble too [Re: CWPiano]
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Originally Posted By: CWPiano
I am not surprised. If you are in the field, you would have realised many male pianists are homosexuals and some have 'peculiar taste'.


No, that's organists! laugh
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#1470488 - 07/08/10 12:48 PM Re: Oh fudge, now Mikhail Pletnev in trouble too [Re: CWPiano]
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Originally Posted By: CWPiano
I am not implying that gays are paedophiles. I am okay with homosexuality, but not paedophilia. I am just illustrating that this profession has quite a high proportion of people with alternative sexual preferences, at least in the city where I stay, not sure about other places though.
Well, where do you live? That information matters.

I am a gay pianist, and know several gay pianists at my uni, but my teacher is straight and there are other straight male players as well. Its a tricky situation, really. Every profession has these types of problems. The education system in general, where adults are dealing with kids all the time, has pedos. But I'm sure every occupation has these problems. I just don't like the idea of people claiming that piano players are more inclined to have 'peculiar taste'. I can understand the stereotype of male players being gay; thats understandable because its very true (even though there were MANY amazing, very straight players, like Rubinstein to name only one).

I do have to say though, this news is pretty shocking. And if Pletnev is guilty he needs to face the consequences. I mean... being Russian, and owning a house in Thailand... that raises my eyebrows. Especially since that country is well known for its child sex industry. Pletnev is a wonderful pianist too, IMO. Just a shame.
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