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#1494056 - 08/12/10 07:25 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: TheHappyMoron]
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Not a poor pianist at all, but he's not near my top5 of best Beethoven performers! And as you will notice, Barenboim also constantly talks about the things I just said, the tempo, the themes, and the rumbling loud right hand.
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#1494064 - 08/12/10 07:39 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: TheHappyMoron]
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the word 'rape' in the context of fine pianism usually refers to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spXPWMsvF8w

or this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWvYtfOOjhM

the guy in the 2nd video is a well-known serial rapist.

hope this clears things up.
this is not quite the same type of rape as Lang Lang is associated with.

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#1494067 - 08/12/10 07:42 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: JustAnotherPianist]
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That begs the question, what kind of rape is Lang Lang associated with? (I thought just the piano, didn't know he was a sex offender :|! )
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#1494073 - 08/12/10 08:04 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: Victor25]
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Well you see, a rather long time ago, LL viciously raped this thing known as 'good taste'...

Regarding Lang Lang.... I don't know him personally but a mutual friend grew up in the same village and is the same age. They both took piano together, and were close childhood friends. They went around together to all the competitions as small children.

People in China never thought he would have much of a career. He was considered to have average technique (by Chinese prodigy standards), and he apparently ALWAYS had below-average taste.

Anyway, say what you want about Lang Lang. As you can tell from my tone, I have little love for the man. However, he has powerful stage presence and charisma. EXCEPTIONALLY powerful. His playing is ALWAYS filled with EXTREMES of contrast-contrast in texture, contrasting dynamics, contrasting articulations, contrasting emotions. He gets a powerful reaction out of people, whether it's positive or negative.

Of course he doesn't DESERVE the cool $20 million a year that he MAKES.... but who ever said life was going to be fair?

Now imagine if wasn't such a clown...
But you can't hold it against him-like every good pianist, he plays it the way he hears it and for him, that is the way it MUST be.

His Don Juan is godly, whether or not you like him. Don Juan is just the type of thing that suits him. Just the type of thing that his retard-antics, coupled with the insane amount of practice he did on it, can make into a great performance.

As others have said, it would be nice if he played everything that well. Most of his performances I find hideous. That Chopin 10/3 that someone posted on this thread and everyone was gushing about has got to be one of the worst crimes against music he's ever committed.

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#1494075 - 08/12/10 08:11 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: JustAnotherPianist]
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Originally Posted By: JustAnotherPianist
the word 'rape' in the context of fine pianism usually refers to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spXPWMsvF8w

or this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWvYtfOOjhM

the guy in the 2nd video is a well-known serial rapist.

hope this clears things up.
this is not quite the same type of rape as Lang Lang is associated with.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj9GzX-7Hy4&feature=related

3:50 is pretty bad, too.
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#1494077 - 08/12/10 08:20 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: Zindaras]
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Best comment below it: 'If I were the piano, I'd punch back'
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#1494082 - 08/12/10 08:28 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: Zindaras]
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LL comparing Prokofiev's 3rd concerto with Street Fighter:



I hope this may fuel the discussion a little more ;-)
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#1494083 - 08/12/10 08:28 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: Victor25]
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I like this one, on his YT channel.

MarshalGZhukov (2 months ago)
Dude your playing is truly´╗┐ criminal. I don't see any other solution besides a firing squad for you.


to which he replies:

bedlach (2 months ago)
Come and get me,´╗┐ sucker.

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#1494132 - 08/12/10 10:09 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: JustAnotherPianist]
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I just need to point out that no matter what you guys say... LL has the last laugh! He's making millions off of people who ENJOY his music, his performances. Yes these people may be tasteless idiots who know nothing about classical music, how pieces should be played, etc... but in the end, they ENJOY LL's music and are willing to pay for it. To me, that's a sure sign of success. Now I will admit, I don't care much for his music, but it does not give me or you the right to attack people who do enjoy his music. I mean, seriously, just a different cup of tea. After all, how many "somewhere over the rainbow" versions are there??? And you know what? he wouldn't be as as famous as he is now had he just BLENDED in with everyone else, playing what you guys consider "proper" playing.

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#1494136 - 08/12/10 10:12 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: Argerich5405]
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Nahhh regretted this comment anyway, nevermind.


Edited by Victor25 (08/12/10 10:55 AM)
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#1494138 - 08/12/10 10:18 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: Victor25]
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The OP wanted to know why people were bad mouthing Lang Lang.

*shrugs*

I have respect for him. I wish I had his technique...but if I had, I wouldn't play like him (or at least not everything. I do admit I enjoy some of the stuff from him I've heard on Youtube).
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#1494154 - 08/12/10 10:40 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: Zindaras]
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As for why people are bad-mouthing him... just jealous idiots.

I especially took offense to someone somewhere in the thread saying something about "yeah, yeah...another guy from China who would have starved had he not made it...yeah he had to work really hard but everyone works hard to become a concert pianist, blablabla" or something to that extent.

Yes, most concert pianists work really hard to become what they are. However, the consequences of not making it differ drastically country to country. This is really something that should not be made light of. I mean, if someone had said "yeah, yeah... another holocaust survivor story", seems to me to ring a similar insensitive remark downplaying the struggles of this individual


Edited by Argerich5405 (08/12/10 10:41 AM)

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#1494168 - 08/12/10 10:57 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: Argerich5405]
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I think people are bad-mouthing him for the same reasons that there are people bad-mouthing other classical pianists: differences in interpretation. Victor likes his Appassionata in a specific way, I like my Second Hungarian Rhapsody in a specific way, and Lang Lang does it so horribly different that we cannot help but be negative about it, as we feel it goes against the spirit of the piece. Jealousy might come into it at some point, but there is more to consider. Overall, I love Kissin, but I've listened to a recording from him of Chopin's Prelude 4, Opus 28, which I honestly think I do better. Why? Because I think he butchers it by playing it too fast.

As far as that story goes, I understand your point. On the other hand, I do think those types of stories tend to get 'blown up' a little bit: they are very dramatic and so people focus a lot on them. Who knows what he really went through? Even in the department of holocaust survivor stories, you have different kinds of gradations. There are the ones that have had to suffer through years of camps and have lost everyone they held dear, and there are the ones that only got caught a couple of days before the end of the war and thus may not have been subjected to the same horrors. I think that's what the poster intended.
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#1494169 - 08/12/10 11:04 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: Zindaras]
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Exactly my thoughts, well said Zindaras!
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#1494176 - 08/12/10 11:21 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: MikeN]
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Originally Posted By: MikeN
Yes, but when the name of Lang Lang comes up what do people first think of.

Here's what I think of...



Really. I'm not kidding.
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#1494179 - 08/12/10 11:30 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: TheHappyMoron]
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Whilst everyone in that audience of the HR performance looks stoned, and that tempo was faster than I like, his performance was nearly perfect, and being played that fast is not easy to do. My hats off to him for being able to play it that well, that fast.
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#1494180 - 08/12/10 11:31 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: eweiss]
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Regarding the "what a crappy childhood i had " subject. I am not saying he didn't, i don 't know, but consider what most of these jewish russain pisnists had to go through during the soviet revolution ... moving to a new country not spealing the language, not knowing where or how your family may be ...

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#1494188 - 08/12/10 11:39 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: eweiss]
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The Neill Eisenstein stuff may have been the single most retarded thing I have ever seen in my short damned life.

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#1494263 - 08/12/10 01:12 PM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: Brandon_W_T]
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Originally Posted By: Brandon_W_T
Whilst everyone in that audience of the HR performance looks stoned,


They probably were, considering the fact it was in Amsterdam.

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and that tempo was faster than I like, his performance was nearly perfect, and being played that fast is not easy to do. My hats off to him for being able to play it that well, that fast.


My gripes with him were never technically related. I can't detect a single error in his playing there (but then again, I probably wouldn't have been able to), and his speed is incredible. I just can't fathom how his version is just a little over half the length of Hamelin's version (which I consider standard). Hamelin's is on the long version, but the majority of recordings seem to be about 10 minutes in length...which still shaves off more than 2.5 minutes. That, coupled with the fact that he is utterly erratic in his tempo, sometimes playing a part relatively normal and then releasing a floodwave of notes, just ruins it for me. Basically, he turns the piece into a display of his technique, which is what music is just not about.

The very first piece I learned already taught me that playing the notes is not the same as playing the piece. I miss him playing the piece. For all his swaying, he fails to convey the emotion that Hamelin does without so much as moving his head.
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#1494470 - 08/12/10 05:12 PM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: JustAnotherPianist]
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Originally Posted By: JustAnotherPianist
the word 'rape' in the context of fine pianism usually refers to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spXPWMsvF8w

or this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWvYtfOOjhM

What about this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nIuA7Ir19k

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#1494476 - 08/12/10 05:20 PM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: JustAnotherPianist]
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Originally Posted By: JustAnotherPianist
the word 'rape' in the context of fine pianism usually refers to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spXPWMsvF8w
or this....


How about if the word 'rape' never be used in the context of fine pianism? Why don't we just do that.

-J
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#1494512 - 08/12/10 05:54 PM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: Zindaras]
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Originally Posted By: Zindaras
. I just can't fathom how his version is just a little over half the length of Hamelin's version (which I consider standard).
Hamelin probably plays his own cadenza which is extremely long.

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#1494531 - 08/12/10 06:20 PM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: pianoloverus]
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Yes, and probably one of the most interesting and legitimate cadenzas I've heard, though it's not for everyone.

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#1494553 - 08/12/10 06:48 PM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: Argerich5405]
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Originally Posted By: Argerich5405
As for why people are bad-mouthing him... just jealous idiots.



Saying that reflects rather badly on you, not on them.

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#1494687 - 08/12/10 09:06 PM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: stores]
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#1494691 - 08/12/10 09:09 PM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: Skorpius]
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Originally Posted By: Skorpius
Popularity=/=Good Musicianship

+1

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#1494694 - 08/12/10 09:14 PM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: MikeN]
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Oh and Bech, why don't you listen to his recording of Rach's g minor prelude:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMfz1G7Btyo&feature=related
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#1494716 - 08/12/10 09:36 PM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: Skorpius]
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I for one congratulate Lang Lang. Some multitasker he is. While we average mortals struggle with talking and playing at the same time, he effortlessly dances and plays at the same time.

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#1494717 - 08/12/10 09:37 PM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: MikeN]
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I for one congratulate Lang Lang. Some multitasker he is. While we average mortals struggle with talking and playing at the same time, he effortlessly dances and plays at the same time.

YEP.
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#1494720 - 08/12/10 09:40 PM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: Skorpius]
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Still, I think we can all agree that the most brutal rape that ever occured on a piano was the infamous Cindy Elizondo beauty pagent Chopin Sharezo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUiHBjQku0o

You can say what you want about Neill Eisenstein. He's got devastating chops. And a facebook group someone formed called 'neil eisenstein-the legend'. no, i did not form it.

No one blames Lang Lang for anything but criminal taste:
the fact that his clownass musicianship is worth 20mil a year says more about the sad world we live in than anything else...

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