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#1482849 - 07/27/10 11:11 PM Lang Lang--Hurrah!
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Quite some time ago I experienced Lang Lang on YouTube. At that time I'd had little experience with other classical pianists.

Well....tonight I once again watched and listened to him play on YouTube. Liszt "Don Juan 2" and Chopin's Valse Brilliante.

Holy Cow! This guy can play. I have never heard such precise separation between notes when played fast.

What's with all the bad mouthing that I read about him? I go by what I hear and not by what others say.

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#1482852 - 07/27/10 11:14 PM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: Bech]
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It's not the technical capacity that annoys us, it's the use of it and the lack of emotional control that drives us to dislike him, at least it does for me. Though I think he's reformed it the last couple of years though I haven't keep up.

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#1482853 - 07/27/10 11:16 PM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: MikeN]
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I like listening to him. I just can't stand looking at his face while he's playing. Totally distracting. I have to minimize the screen when listening to him on youtube.

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#1482859 - 07/27/10 11:18 PM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: WinsomeAllegretto]
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How could I forget, no really how could I. I'll never forget the videos of him butchering the Rachmaninoff 3rd and looking like an inspired food doing it.

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#1482862 - 07/27/10 11:21 PM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: WinsomeAllegretto]
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The bad mouthing is from all his cornball mugging that he does while he plays. Personally, I don't think it's any more ridiculous than Kissin.
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#1482872 - 07/27/10 11:28 PM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: MikeN]
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Find the score of a piece (Urtext edition) and follow along with Lang Lang's playing, and see how close he follows it, how stylistically correct he plays, etc...

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#1482876 - 07/27/10 11:32 PM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: Orange Soda King]
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In the words of an exhausted Rachmaninoff: Oh, must I. Who knows maybe I'll become a Lang Lang Fanatic and listen to his whole discography.

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#1482892 - 07/27/10 11:51 PM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: MikeN]
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I just think he's a little uneven. Sometimes he plays very well and I like his playing quite a bit.

But sometimes, he goes overboard and runs the risk of being a little "donuts for dinner" - it's exciting in the moment, but afterward, you feel a little overstuffed and unfulfilled at the same time.
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#1482895 - 07/27/10 11:55 PM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: Kreisler]
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Wasn't it worse earlier in his career or am I just that out of the loop?

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#1482902 - 07/28/10 12:06 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
Find the score of a piece (Urtext edition) and follow along with Lang Lang's playing, and see how close he follows it, how stylistically correct he plays, etc...


Exactly. He sounds good to the untrained ear and/or uneducated musician (not all pieces, but most I've heard.)
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#1482905 - 07/28/10 12:09 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: lisztonian]
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*slaps forehead and drags hand down face at sudden epiphany* Am I really so self centered that I forgot that my comments are only minor comments in the big picture of opinions that were trying to give the poster.

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#1482908 - 07/28/10 12:14 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: Bech]
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Appears I touched on a sensitive subject with Lang Lang. Good.

During the past hour I've been reading about his struggle to make it in the concert pianists world. Inspiring. Read that Steinway even markets a specially branded Lang Lang piano. The only name-branded instrument they have ever made. Now, why would such a respected and knowledgeable company as Steinway do this? The only reason I can think of is because Lang Lang is a very exceptional pianist. Sure there's a commercial side to this but I trust their integrity and their judgement.

I'm just getting started with Lang Lang. I sure like what I hear so far and I don't mind his expressions at all. Must classical music stamp out all individuality for the sake of the composers? Of course not.

No matter who likes him or who dislikes him--I really like what I see and hear in his playing. Like a machine on a machine but with great dynamics and precise, clean playing.

I'm beginning to wonder if he doesn't know how to mike a piano better than most. Great, quality sound with several of his performances. I really love a quality piano sound.

Bech
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#1482909 - 07/28/10 12:19 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: Bech]
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Personally I am a L-L fan. I find his playing very good.

He is a person I believe who can reach out to younger kids and bring them into the classical world through modern details. L-L seems to appeal to my generation far more than the older generation.


9 times out of 10 if I ask someone who Horowitz, Borge, Kissin, etc, not a single person in my school will recognize the name.

Now If I ask em who lang lang is, at least 1/2 of them know of him.
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#1482914 - 07/28/10 12:24 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: Bech]
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AHH I may stay off Piano World for a good WEEK or two!!! Or at least out of the Pianist Corner. I'm very scared of what the classical music radical-conservatives (and even moderate-conservatives) will say!!

I'm moderately conservative with classical music too, but I learned LONG ago that I should let my Lang Lang opinions just stay in my mind and not worry too much about them.

I WILL however, say this: If Lang Lang brings you joy, okay. I encourage you to still listen to other more traditional/orthodox classical pianists, though.


Edited by Orange Soda King (07/28/10 12:28 AM)

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#1482915 - 07/28/10 12:25 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: Bech]
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If you want originality get acquainted with Rachmaninoff, Jozef Hoffman, Paderewski, any any other pianist of the old school. They were all very original yet restrained and even more personal that Lang Lang.

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#1482920 - 07/28/10 12:29 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: MikeN]
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Originally Posted By: MikeN
If you want originality get acquainted with Rachmaninoff, Jozef Hoffman, Paderewski, any any other pianist of the old school. They were all very original yet restrained and even more personal that Lang Lang.


Yea but they are OLD! :P



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Edited by Brandon_W_T (07/28/10 12:29 AM)
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#1482927 - 07/28/10 12:40 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: Brandon_W_T]
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Alright have it you way, but don't forget these comments as you may yet see purpose at a latter date. If you don't it doesn't matter as you still enjoying the music.

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#1482935 - 07/28/10 01:29 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: MikeN]
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lol I was joking. I LOVE Horowitz, Rach, yea kinda Pade-not-going-to-attempt-to-spell-it as well.
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#1482970 - 07/28/10 03:38 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: Brandon_W_T]
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I think he 's very good sometimes. There are also some forgettable moments from him on youtube too.

As for his story ... i am sure his case is not unique in China. But think of what Rachmaninoff, Richter, Horowitz, Friedman had to go through in their lives.


At the end of the day , he can turn out to be a great pianist, but there are young pianists that i think have already proved they re on a higher level than Lang Lang ... thinking of Blechacz for a start

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#1482978 - 07/28/10 04:30 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: izaldu]
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WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY do you people torture me? Do some create member names just so they can start a Lang thread and send stores to the loony bin before he hits 50?
I'm not going to bother going into why I don't like LL, or what is wrong with him, but I do want to address one point the original poster made above and that's about Steinway slapping Lang's name on one of their pianos. It's not about Lang being such an exceptional pianist. If it were then we'd have had "the Horowitz" model long ago. It's about DOLLARS!!! Marketability (is that a word?) He sells, because in a media driven world he is who the media calls "the man."
The OP then goes on to say "I'm beginning to wonder if he doesn't know how to mike a piano better than most." Insert rolled eyes here please. I'm sorry, but Lang has nothing to do with the mike placement on his recordings (give the engineers some credit). I realise it's a small point, but let's not give the fool more credit than he deserves.
If you're so in love with him then go vote for him as Gramophone Artist of the Year, attend a recital, buy a recording, but please don't tell me about his hard fought struggle to the concert stage (as if every other concert pianist just steps out onto the stage and VOILA).
Some day I WILL attend a Lang recital (pull your collective jaws off the floor) and I'll even get in the autograph line afterward, but only so that I can have a chat with him and I'll have no problem frankly asking him...why? Other than the obvious (meaning dollars)...why?
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#1483001 - 07/28/10 07:03 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: Bech]
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Originally Posted By: Bech


What's with all the bad mouthing that I read about him? I go by what I hear and not by what others say.

Bech


Good for you. Like whatever you want. His playing of Don Juan, the Mendelssohn G minor, and 1 or 2 other pieces isn't bad. It doesn't make up for some of the over the top, and awful playing he does elsewhere.
All in all, when he's at his best, he's not pretty good - not great. When he's bad, he's pretty awful. Still waiting for him to become an artist. Hasn't happened.

Strip down the ceiling gazing, funny faces, and other goofiness, and I just don't see what people rave about.

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#1483048 - 07/28/10 09:06 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: lisztonian]
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Originally Posted By: lisztonian

Exactly. He sounds good to the untrained ear and/or uneducated musician (not all pieces, but most I've heard.)

What I find most offensive in all this Lang Lang bashing is the attitude that if you like his playing you must be unschooled, unwashed, deficient, or somehow lacking in good taste. You guys need to get off your high horses before you suffer nosebleed. And I'm not even a big fan of LL.
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#1483069 - 07/28/10 09:45 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: jazzyprof]
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He raped the appassionata (cries)
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#1483136 - 07/28/10 11:46 AM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: Victor25]
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One of the things I notice about Lang Lang's playing is he makes the individual notes stand out--even when playing fast. I really like that. Is this called good "articulation" by pianists? I forget which piece but there's one he plays and the piano sound may be the best I've ever heard.

Being new to classical pianists I can see where I lack experience in judging pianists and yet I know that highly experienced listeners and players vary much in their choice of pianist.

I expect people's ability to hear music well--"an ear for music"--varies considerably, even with accomplished pianists.

Who was it--Isaac Stern?--who said: "Make the instrument sing."

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#1483144 - 07/28/10 12:01 PM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: Kreisler]
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Certain posts notwithstanding, this is a much more reasonable discussion of Mr. Lang than I've previously experienced here.

Originally Posted By: Kreisler
I just think he's a little uneven. Sometimes he plays very well and I like his playing quite a bit. But sometimes, he goes overboard....


This is my opinion too. (As I've posted here before,) I heard him play Schubert's late A major sonata, and it was ravishing and faithful, all 40 minutes. Later in the concert though, he played the Heroic Polonaise like a buffoon, swinging his head from side to side and smiling.

Still, I'm more impressed by fascinating, original playing than I am unimpressed by silly buffoonery, so I take a weighted average of these two impressions.

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#1483168 - 07/28/10 12:41 PM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: beet31425]
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If their is one thing I can give to Lang Lang is that he's an individual fully capable of giving putting in his own two cents into beaten and battered works. Even if I can't say I like him, and to be honest I rarely like any interpretation I hear of a very standard work, I can fully appreciate him. He's not so far from Paderewski and his antics. Or even some of Horowitz's antics or even Argerich's antics or even Ruben...Well you get the point.

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#1483177 - 07/28/10 12:59 PM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: beet31425]
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Originally Posted By: Brandon_W_T
Yea but they are OLD! :P


Okay, then try Biss, Sokolov, Perahia, Volodos, Chiu, Tharaud, Denk, Kimura Parker, Montero, Hamelin, Cohen, Hough, Kern, Trpceski, etc...
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#1483182 - 07/28/10 01:04 PM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: Kreisler]
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Then it's to impersonal. laugh

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#1483191 - 07/28/10 01:13 PM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: beet31425]
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Originally Posted By: beet31425

This is my opinion too. (As I've posted here before,) I heard him play Schubert's late A major sonata, and it was ravishing and faithful, all 40 minutes. Later in the concert though, he played the Heroic Polonaise like a buffoon, swinging his head from side to side and smiling.


-J


Why do you care how he performs, can you just concentrate on his sound only? Is he good or not. I personally do not care how they make the sound. If they are good, they are good regardless how ugly they are. We need to listen beyond the physcial look of the pianist.

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#1483193 - 07/28/10 01:15 PM Re: Lang Lang--Hurrah! [Re: RonaldSteinway]
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As much as I'd like to say it doesn't matter. It does, it's certainly factored in to Ivo Pogorelich's career.

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