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#1491704 - 08/09/10 03:28 PM Re: Taking a Break from PW [Re: ChopinAddict]
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Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict
Originally Posted By: Mark_C
I can think of one person a few months ago who kept posting recordings that were purposely awful, pretending he didn't realize it, and seeking feedback. And, for a while, getting it. I don't know about any more than that.
PP I suppose?

Bingo! smile

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And of course we can't even be sure he really didn't know they were awful....

Yes we can. He knew.
Some things about his playing showed clearly, without any doubt (whatsoever), that he was very good and knew his stuff.
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#1491711 - 08/09/10 03:34 PM Re: Taking a Break from PW [Re: Mark_C]
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Yes, I remember the excellent trills??
Who knows, they could have been his strength.
Or maybe as some said he was good at sight-reading and didn't make an effort to go any further.

Speaking of threads and trolls, it is a pity we can't add a thread to the "ignore" list, although with some good will you just don't read them I guess. That's what I usually do when they get out of track.

I don't have more than 15 minutes a day when it goes well anyway... And I am not an Internet person. I prefer libraries and crumbling books.
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#1491720 - 08/09/10 03:45 PM Re: Taking a Break from PW [Re: Victor25]
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Originally Posted By: Victor25
I always though of PW as having a high degree of social control, and conduct. I haven't seen that many threads getting out of hand, however this forum seems quite vulnerable for trolls.
I can see why, by nature, a lot of pianists are a bit sensitive, and it comes from the emotional vulnerability of playing infront of people. Sometimes it is easy to say something that bugs a musician that wouldn't think twice about.

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#1491730 - 08/09/10 03:55 PM Re: Taking a Break from PW [Re: ChopinAddict]
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Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict
Yes, I remember the excellent trills??
Who knows, they could have been his strength....

It was much much more than that. (Trust me.)
But let's not spend too much space on him.....it's history. smile
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#1491733 - 08/09/10 03:56 PM Re: Taking a Break from PW [Re: jdhampton924]
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Originally Posted By: jdhampton924
Sometimes it is easy to say something that bugs a musician that wouldn't think twice about.


I TAKE OFFENSE!!! HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT!!!!! mad tiki mad

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#1491735 - 08/09/10 03:57 PM Re: Taking a Break from PW [Re: Kreisler]
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O he better apologize... he better!
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#1491736 - 08/09/10 03:57 PM Re: Taking a Break from PW [Re: Kreisler]
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Originally Posted By: Kreisler
Originally Posted By: jdhampton924
Sometimes it is easy to say something that bugs a musician that wouldn't think twice about.


I TAKE OFFENSE!!! HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT!!!!! mad tiki mad


I TAKE OFFENSE AT YOU TAKING OFFENSE, HOW DARE YOU DARE ME TO DARE YOU TO DARE ME TO DARE BEETHOVEN!!

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#1491739 - 08/09/10 03:58 PM Re: Taking a Break from PW [Re: Kreisler]
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Originally Posted By: Kreisler
Originally Posted By: jdhampton924
Sometimes it is easy to say something that bugs a musician that wouldn't think twice about.

I TAKE OFFENSE!!! HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT!!!!! mad tiki mad

Well anyway you don't seem to take offense at what we said about the moderators! ha
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#1491740 - 08/09/10 03:59 PM Re: Taking a Break from PW [Re: jdhampton924]
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Originally Posted By: jdhampton924
I TAKE OFFENSE AT YOU TAKING OFFENSE, HOW DARE YOU DARE ME TO DARE YOU TO DARE ME TO DARE BEETHOVEN!!

I hope you fully realize that he might take offense at your taking offense that he takes offense.
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#1491755 - 08/09/10 04:07 PM Re: Taking a Break from PW [Re: ChopinAddict]
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SeilerFan,
Thank you for all the ongoing contributions you have made on PW. I have read many of your postings over the nearly 2 years that I have been an active reader here on various forums within PW. It is only recently that I started posting here, after a 15 month quest to find a grand piano. I had many unfortunate and expensive experiences in taking trips in to the cities of Victoria and Vancouver to look at pianos, before I finally made my purchase. I could have written many nasty things about my experiences on the 'piano forum' but I chose to refrain. We all have a choice on how we engage with others and the kind of contribution we wish to make.

I am looking forward to engaging in many aspects about piano playing and music here on PW. A place where one can share with others who have a common interest. This site is one of the most amazing discoveries I have ever come across - and I've been around for a few years, and lived in most of the larger cities in my home country. It amazes me that I can engage in discussion from my little place 'in the woods' with anyone in an instant around the entire planet. I have communicated with several people here, including yourself, and sometimes had no idea where they lived, only later to discover, that I'm communicating with someone in Turkey, Ireland, or South America...

The PianoWorld forums are what each of us individually make of it. I find it doesn't take long to get a sense of contributors authenticity and sincerity here.

I wish you the very best in your ongoing music adventures! It appears like you'll be very welcomed again if you chose to participate here at a future time.

Dara

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#1491761 - 08/09/10 04:11 PM Re: Taking a Break from PW [Re: jdhampton924]
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Whats going on on that piano forum :| they are the same people as in the pianist corner, not?

Also



Originally Posted By: jdhampton924
Originally Posted By: Kreisler
Originally Posted By: jdhampton924
Sometimes it is easy to say something that bugs a musician that wouldn't think twice about.


I TAKE OFFENSE!!! HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT!!!!! mad tiki mad


I TAKE OFFENSE AT YOU TAKING OFFENSE, HOW DARE YOU DARE ME TO DARE YOU TO DARE ME TO DARE BEETHOVEN!!



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#1491782 - 08/09/10 04:32 PM Re: Taking a Break from PW [Re: Victor25]
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I will miss you, SeilerFan. I hope that you will at least look in once in awhile.

Too true, internet forums and television programs can take up more than their fair share of time, which may be used for more important things... but I don't think I can say the same about reading your posts.

Goodbyes are saddening, but thanks for taking the time to say goodbye. Maybe, after all, it is only au revoir.
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#1491792 - 08/09/10 04:40 PM Re: Taking a Break from PW [Re: Jeff Clef]
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Which piece is Schroeder playing in that cartoon? I remember reading an article somebody posted here a while back about how Schulz chose the musical excerpts for the strip quite deliberately. I'm curious about which piece he'd use to illustrate the meaning of life. smile
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#1491795 - 08/09/10 04:41 PM Re: Taking a Break from PW [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: jdhampton924
I TAKE OFFENSE AT YOU TAKING OFFENSE, HOW DARE YOU DARE ME TO DARE YOU TO DARE ME TO DARE BEETHOVEN!!

I hope you fully realize that he might take offense at your taking offense that he takes offense.


This will only make things even more confusing when we all take offense and have to start over.

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#1491796 - 08/09/10 04:41 PM Re: Taking a Break from PW [Re: Monica K.]
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That should be the pathetique, 3rd and 4th pages.
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Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)

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#1491831 - 08/09/10 05:13 PM Re: Taking a Break from PW [Re: Victor25]
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Originally Posted By: Victor25
Whats going on on that piano forum :| they are the same people as in the pianist corner, not?....

Not really. There's overlap but it's basically different groups.
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#1491834 - 08/09/10 05:15 PM Re: Taking a Break from PW [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: Victor25
Whats going on on that piano forum :| they are the same people as in the pianist corner, not?....

Not really. There's overlap but it's basically different groups.


It frightens the hell out of me, I'l never go to that subforum!
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Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)

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#1491838 - 08/09/10 05:18 PM Re: Taking a Break from PW [Re: gooddog]
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Happy practicing, enjoy your music, and be well. <3

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#1491883 - 08/09/10 06:02 PM Re: Taking a Break from PW [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: eweiss
You're right about YouTube. Totally brutal, yet very honest.....

Sometimes.
I think more often, the negative comments are just nasty, or ignorant.

And often the positive comments are pretty ignorant too. smile
Some extremely awful things get high praise.

There's someone who leaves the exact same comment on every music video they watch. They call every song "the greatest melody ever written in the history of popular music".
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#1491889 - 08/09/10 06:05 PM Re: Taking a Break from PW [Re: Victor25]
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Victor25 - "It frightens the hell out of me, I'l never go to that subforum!"

Isn't that somewhat hypocritical for you to be saying this, seeing how you've made approximately 30 postings on that forum.

It's statements like this that only add to the divisive nature of some of the communications here on PW. Perhaps give a little thought and consideration to what you write. As I mentioned earlier, the forums here are what each of us individually make of it.

Dara

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#1491923 - 08/09/10 06:40 PM Re: Taking a Break from PW [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C

And often the positive comments are pretty ignorant too. smile
Some extremely awful things get high praise.


Sometimes it's friends, sometimes I even suspect the same person creates multiple accounts to praise him/herself. eek They should use the same software used by our Kreisler to detect multiple accounts... smile

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#1491934 - 08/09/10 06:49 PM Re: Taking a Break from PW [Re: ChopinAddict]
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If one isn't up to the general public's opinion, or has the grown-up feeling that one is beyond all that, or is afraid or not-pleased of/by other peoples written behaviour, fine, but when one feels uncomfortable by other people's comments, or doesn't agree with the level of discussion on this forum, I hope one will find a more civilized corner of the world, although I would think that that would be on top of the Grant Tetons, or the K2...see you..
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#1492056 - 08/09/10 08:39 PM Re: Taking a Break from PW [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict
Originally Posted By: Mark_C
I can think of one person a few months ago who kept posting recordings that were purposely awful, pretending he didn't realize it, and seeking feedback. And, for a while, getting it. I don't know about any more than that.
PP I suppose?

Bingo! smile


I miss PP. He was a hoot.
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#1492058 - 08/09/10 08:45 PM Re: Taking a Break from PW [Re: argerichfan]
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Originally Posted By: argerichfan
^ +1

If you want to watch some uncivil behavior, look at some of the comments on various YouTube videos! Yikes, compared to that, PW is the very model of civility!

I too will miss SeilerFan, though I can somewhat understand where this member is coming from. I have gradually learned to just stay out of contentious threads- which eventually end up being slamed shut by a moderator anyway.


Youtube Videos? laugh Try 4chan :P
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#1492207 - 08/09/10 11:21 PM Re: Taking a Break from PW [Re: Damon]
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Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict
Originally Posted By: Mark_C
I can think of one person a few months ago who kept posting recordings that were purposely awful, pretending he didn't realize it, and seeking feedback. And, for a while, getting it. I don't know about any more than that.
PP I suppose?

Bingo! smile


I miss PP. He was a hoot.


which one is PP?? The guy with the plaid pajama pants and a single video?

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#1492212 - 08/09/10 11:28 PM Re: Taking a Break from PW [Re: Andromaque]
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Originally Posted By: SeilerFan
There has been so much spite and hatred going on in various forums: useless gigantic threats in many subforums here that dish out Herculean amounts of negativity.


I went back a re-read the OP's post, and find that I cannot believe the OP and I have been reading the same forums.

Some negativity? Sure. Some back-stabbing? Yes, but "Herculean amounts of negativity?" And "So much spite and hatred" ?

Seilerfan is certainly free to leave or stay. But these statements do not relfect the PW I know. If they were true, I too would leave.

I am saying this to everyone to get some perspective, and to set the record straight for any lurkers (and my students who I refer here) who might be reading this thread and wondering if PW really is the uninhabitable hell on earth that some claim it to be.

It is not that hell. PW is great.

End of sermon.
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#1492216 - 08/09/10 11:31 PM Re: Taking a Break from PW [Re: Andromaque]
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Originally Posted By: Andromaque
Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict
Originally Posted By: Mark_C
I can think of one person a few months ago who kept posting recordings that were purposely awful, pretending he didn't realize it, and seeking feedback. And, for a while, getting it. I don't know about any more than that.
PP I suppose?

Bingo! smile


I miss PP. He was a hoot.


which one is PP?? The guy with the plaid pajama pants and a single video?


You remember, the guy who knew all of Beethoven's sonatas, and could play any of the Liszt etudes "in a pinch". Then he invited us on a journey to listen as he learned Chopin's 2nd Ballade (I believe)




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#1492219 - 08/09/10 11:33 PM Re: Taking a Break from PW [Re: Damon]
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laugh got it.. That was soo entertaining.. I think we should invite him back!

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#1492235 - 08/09/10 11:55 PM Re: Taking a Break from PW [Re: Andromaque]
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While I'm as sad as the next guy to see a seasoned member leave, imho how well this place viewed is purely a matter of perspective. I'm a relatively new member, and I've seen several instances where discussions spin out of control, and people don't hesitate to turn ugly behind the mask of a computer screen.

But,

being part of a younger generation that grew up with the internet, I'm so very used to seeing such behavior running rampant everywhere. When I first found this forum, I was quite literally shocked that a place like this can actually exists online. Like several others have already stated, one only needs to look at any other major discussion site, be it youtube, 4chan, or gaming sites, to see how ugly things becomes on an hourly basis. By comparison, this place houses, by far, the most civil discussion groups I've ever encountered on the internet.

But like I said, this is how it appears only from my end of the screen. And while I think this place has it good, there's always room for improvement. OP mentioned that he's not really an internet person to begin with, so it's possible that he's not used on the general behavior that's "accepted" on the net. I don't want to sound condescending to anyone, but imo it takes a great amount of desensitization in order to regularly read the internet and not be continuously offended.

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#1492256 - 08/10/10 12:15 AM Re: Taking a Break from PW [Re: breakfast shark]
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....being part of a younger generation that grew up with the internet, I'm so very used to seeing such behavior running rampant everywhere..... By comparison, this place houses, by far, the most civil discussion groups I've ever encountered on the internet.

....it's possible that he's not used on the general behavior that's "accepted" on the net. I don't want to sound condescending to anyone, but imo it takes a great amount of desensitization in order to regularly read the internet and not be continuously offended.

I think that's probably a lot of what's involved here. I'm more in his age group but I've been "desensitized" because the other forums I've been on have been mainly younger people -- car sites and baseball sites. This site has more people in the "mature" category than most sites do, and so things are more 'mature' (sort of) ha but it also means that many of the people don't have the full frame of reference that you mentioned.

And they may not care. It may not be any consolation to them that this site is better (or 'less bad') than other sites. They may just not want any part of the unpleasantry (and really I don't either, but I find ways to avoid it or to try to help stop it). But it remains a little hard for me to understand, because I haven't been seeing much of the kind of thing here that Seiler talked about.
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