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#1491594 - 08/09/10 01:07 PM question about counting 6 vs 4
Ebony and Ivory Offline
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Registered: 02/14/05
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A student is playing a piece (Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen) that has a couple goofy measures. I know someone can help me explain this to him.

It is in 4/4 time. The bass clef is 4 quarter notes.
The treble clef is a quarter rest and 5 quarter notes, but there is a bracket and an italicized 3 (like triplets would be)dividing the 6 into 2 sets of 3, but it takes up the whole measure.

In summary: there are 6 [quarter notes/rests] in the treble, opposite 4 quarter beats in the bass.
How can I help him count this?

Thanks all!!
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#1491824 - 08/09/10 05:10 PM Re: question about counting 6 vs 4 [Re: Ebony and Ivory]
Morodiene Offline
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You simply treat it as 3 vs. 2 two times in a row. So do whatever you'd do for 3 vs. 2. I have the student say "Not Diff-i-cult", where "not is both hands, "diff" is the 2nd triplet, "i" is the even note in the other hand, and "cult" is the last triplet.
private piano/voice teacher FT

#1491828 - 08/09/10 05:13 PM Re: question about counting 6 vs 4 [Re: Ebony and Ivory]
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Is this the part that winds up the big hard rock shuffle? Where he sings, "Just gotta get out. Just gotta get right out of here."?

Quarter note triplets. 3 subdivisions for every half note.

for your student: On a part you can mark up, subdivide the quarter note bass into triplets. Let's assume we count the triplets with the syllables "one-ti-ta, two-ti-ta etc. So now there's 12 subdivions to the bar and the (6) 1/4 triplets fall on every other of the twelve subdivisions. Off the piano, have the student slowly count the one-ti-ta, two-ti-ta while tapping them on one hand. The other hand should play the quarter note triplets on every other subdivsion. A foot tap on the quarter notes will help the student feel how the 1/4 triplets fall in between the basic 4/4 pulse. The only time the written rhythm falls on a beat is on 1 and 3 (or 2 and 4 if played "inside out"). So the six notes will fall: (1,ta) (ti) (3,ta) (ti) where each parenthesis set is a beat of the 4/4 measure.

Hope this helps.

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